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Here's a pic of the Jude who should be handling this case....it would make Great TV on <font color="red"> </font> SPEED <font color="red"> </font>

http://www.metnews.com/articles/wapner.jpg

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I hope Johm Grisham follows this one and writes a book.

Its your legal system,and I have to ask,what does it take to become a probate judge? The same as it does to become a Johnny Cochrane?

In the BJ claim they say that the plaintiff has caused a drop in consignments in the PB auction. I see 595 cars registered. That is not too bad,although car #1 is a Pinto.
Are they blaming him for a drop in quantity or the fact that interesting cars arn't being consigned.

Anybody know if the Pinto has the factory fire extinguisher and original Firestone 500 radials?

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The fact that the defendant is a probate judge is meaningless. He will have to hire an attorney the same as anyone else. The attorney who is hired by the judge will make the final decisions on how the case should be handled. Few if any attorney's will allow the client even a client who is an attorney to determine how to litigate the case.

In this particular case the client being a probate judge will have a legal background that will save the attorney time in explaining the law to his client. Lawyers do not give other lawyers a discount. In fact lawyers hate having other lawyers for a client. A Michigan state probate judge probably makes no more than 150K a year from that job. This judge may have other financial assets based on the money he had in the car (225K) and the house assuming it's his that the car is sitting in front of? If not he is no different in terms of financial resources from any other defendant earning 150K a year. Most lawyers who take the bench as a judge take a pay cut when they leave their practice.

The Federal judge in Arizona and an Arizona jury will give this judge's testimony no more weight than any other witness.

However believe it or not the judge may be indemnified by his homeowners insurance policy which in most cases indemnifies a homeowner even when he is sued in a case like this. I know mine does. I also carry an umbrella policy with my homeowners insurer for another 200 dollars a year which insures me for 1 million dollars in the event I am sued for anything. The first call this judge probably made was to his insurance company to see if they will represent him at no cost, and I think they will. If that doesn't pan out he would probably start calling friends and favors in order to get someone he trusts from Michigan to help him out. His least attractive option is to call an Arizona attorney he doesn't know and drop a retainer on him to defend this suit.

From a public relations standpoint I think BJ had no choice but to file suit to make some attempt to stop the bad press and fallout from the January auctions. Rather than file against a little guy with no resources where it appears to be a David V. Goliath, filing against a lawyer one of the professions with the worst reputations , who the general public hates and who also happens to be a judge is in my view a shrewd move. More importantly if BJ is successful against this judge who in the future will be tempted to take on BJ? If BJ can beat a judge at his own game who will be tempted to speak out against BJ or publiclly complain in the future? Not many is my opinion?

Finally if the consignment contract the judge signed does not ensure him of three minutes on the block I don't see how he files a counterclaim. Which is probably why he hasn't filed suit since January. He could have immediately filed in a Michigan federal court and had BJ come to Michigan to answer and had BJ try to change venue to Arizona. He elected not to file suit even though he thinks he was cheated or wronged out of 700K. Which tells me he decided he had little chance of being successful.

If the judge's insurance company picks up his defense he is OK? If not? It is a tough road for him I think?

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Now.........What about some Opinions about the way he handled himself after the car came off the Block......Forget about the Lawsuit and focus on his actions........Opinions....
And how should B-J have responded to the Chaining??

Ken

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The difference this year at BJ from other years (and this is just here say, correct me if I am wrong} in previous years the seller could buy his car back this year they couldnt and didnt realize it. If that was the case I would be very upset also being able to buy your car back was at least expensive insurance. What if he did try to buy it back and then was told he couldnt I probably would have done the same at that time.
I have heard there are many people trying to pull thier car out of the Florida auction, maybe thats why BJ is trying to blame it on the Judge. It will be interesting to see if they can pull the cars out.

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Now.........What about some Opinions about the way he handled himself after the car came off the Block......Forget about the Lawsuit and focus on his actions........Opinions....
And how should B-J have responded to the Chaining??

Ken

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I'm thinking that the judge should have known better...though in the video it looks like the chains that he used were the cheap plastic ones...

I think that all in the world that is wrong today is the fault of Barrett Jackson https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif &lt;&lt;&lt;(see the tongue in cheek emoticon)...well at least there are some people that are never happy.

As a really wise man once said..."It is what it is!" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

The judge doesn't have a leg to stand on... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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I think it is more than a Judge running his mouth that has gotten people to pull theyre cars.. Greed by Barrett is one of them, declining market is another.. who is going to bring a "GOOD" car to a NO RESERVE auction after seeing what happened in January?? The Scottsdale auction is hands down the most talked about car auction in the world! and to see that fall on its face I think scared alot of guys with good cars, that along with really no advertising of the Palm Beach auction and not listing the cars until last week really makes guys take notice. I was offered a Great saturday number for one of my cars but decided against it, with the black cloud around Barrett and the lack of advertising that is definately not a chance I will take. Until they bring back the reserve or lower there commisions I cant see them doing good. Of couse you will always have a few rich people that dont know any better paying to much for a couple of cars but I dont think it will be like in past years. Im going down in hopes of getting a few deals and spending so quality time with my little boy on the beach, Im sure 100's of other guys have the same idea. It looks like there might be a couple of decent cars but nothing to write home about.

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Andy...have fun...and good for you on the quality time! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Amazing....Because people didn't consistently get stupid money like in the past couple of years it fell on it's face ? I'm guessing for the most part, if you bought a car at market rate 3 years ago and sold it at this years Barrett-Jackson you made money. Yes they might bring back reserves but I applaud them for going no reserve. It worked. If you went there to buy a car you knew it was for sale. In years past you could go to a auction thinking you have a shot at a certain car only to find out the seller had a reserve that was much higher than it's worth.

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Was the judge wearing that chain around his neck, cleverly disguised as bling? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif
This needs more than popcorn.
I humbly suggest a Celebrity Death Match! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif
Seriously, nobody wins in a lawsuit except the lawyers.

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In regard to the post that stated in the future Mecum will be the gold standard for auctions, I have to respectfully disagree.

I think Mecum is ALREADY the gold standard or leader in the muscle car auction industry and has been for at least a year. All he needs is a little TV and he smokes BJ and the whole carnival like BS atmosphere. IMHO Mecum gets the best "real" or significant cars as well as neat collections and has the least amount of issue's with his cars and auctions. Plus access to the cars for homework purposes just seems to be easier? I haven't bought or sold anything at one of his auctions but I have tried to buy some cars only to be turned into road kill by Charley or Colin. But after attending all the auctions and making serious efforts to buy and research cars at all of them Mecum generates the most confidence for me. I just think BJ has got too big, too fast and has overwhelmed themselves. I also think the no reserve policy while exciting discourages a large volume of significant cars. BJ is still a ton of fun, but tough for me at least to feel confident about buying or selling a car.

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Was the judge wearing that chain around his neck, cleverly disguised as bling? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif
This needs more than popcorn.
I humbly suggest a Celebrity Death Match! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif
Seriously, nobody wins in a lawsuit except the lawyers.

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There's an old saying I learned in law school: The town that can't afford to have one lawyer, can always afford to have two.

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gifThis should be fun to watch.

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------When this bit of auction mayhem hits the Port Huron Times Herald as it did Saturday morning I guess its news! The funny part is I didnt feel the article to be particularly judge slanted as I thought it might be prior to reading. I thought "after all he is a Michigan resident". To the contrary, the article seemed to take B/Js side to some degree. Wonder if the judge has the paparatzi (sp) following him around yet. His 15 minutes in the limelight may cost him!!!

------As a former employee of Danas (sort of) I agree with all the posative statements above in reference to Mecum Auctions. I think a growing larger number of enthusiasts feel the same way. Trust rewards those that have it........Bill S

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After watching an innocent man go to prison last night (Dateline) for defending his life against a hot-headed psycho, I'm not sure I would trust a judge and jury to make a proper decision no matter what the facts may be.

Nowadays you are far better off to just keep your mouth shut and don't make waves. Our judicial system is totally out of control...a lot like our government!

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this is an interesting turn of unprecedented proportions...

MY opinion is, that BJ did this to head off any future hot-heads, that ain't happy with their sale outcomes... since BJ highlined Ford's this year, other marquee's suffered... A smart seller will find out FIRST which car brand is highlighted next year as soon as possible, and make a prudent decision if his car make will benefit or suffer. With that said, it would behoove BJ to NOT highlight any particular brand, so as to be fair to all sellers, which is the correct non-political way to represent any seller of any product, whether it be cars or furniture.. this is what establishes credibility among other auction's.

I also believe neither side has merit for *trial substance*, and it will go to arbitration, where the only winners will be either sides counsel.

JH

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Our American criminal justice system is totally overwhelmed due to the volume and lack of resources to handle the volume. As a result mistakes although rare can happen. The vast amount of mistakes in the American criminal justice system happen to the VICTIMS of crime not the defendants ,in that due to lack of police resources and adequate training the criminals don't get prosecuted. This problem is not as exciting for a dateline episode and police and prosecutors don't like to talk about it so it doesn't get the media attention.

Everyone in prison is innocent all you have to do is ask them.

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Our American criminal justice system is totally overwhelmed due to the volume and lack of resources to handle the volume. As a result mistakes although rare can happen. The vast amount of mistakes in the American criminal justice system happen to the VICTIMS of crime not the defendants ,in that due to lack of police resources and adequate training the criminals don't get prosecuted. This problem is not as exciting for a dateline episode and police and prosecutors don't like to talk about it so it doesn't get the media attention.

Everyone in prison is innocent all you have to do is ask them.

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Mistakes are understandable. An over-zealous prosecuting attorney coupled with judge AND a (activist) jury nullification is a miscarriage of justice that should result in extreme civil unrest and eventual justice! When a judge and jury ignore the facts in order to make a political statement that clearly violates OUR constitution it is time for decent law abiding Americans to demand not just an appeal but a reversal and recriminations. That trial is an American outrage and the "real" guilty should be punished.

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I think the degridation of the system accelerated with the Flying DNA in O.J.'s trial.........the lawyers at that point found out that they could say and do almost anything and sometimes it sticks...........Sad!!!

Ken

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I think the degridation of the system accelerated with the Flying DNA in O.J.'s trial.........the lawyers at that point found out that they could say and do almost anything and sometimes it sticks...........Sad!!!

Ken

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Well Ken,

I agree. It also didn't hurt having a less than worthy
jury and a whole bank of attorneys willing to exploit that
worthiness. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif However, at least one of the "dream team" is
gone now and hopefully paying his dues for knowingly
getting off a double murderer, all in the sake of money &amp;
celebrity.

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It seems to me the minute you allow a nationally televised camera into a somewhat private venue,you put logic,common sense and level headedness right out on it's ear and let egos take precedent.
Just ask Judge Ito,Judge Seidlin,and now Judge Clabuesch.
Dana Mecum would be wise to deny any kind of national TV coverage in the future.
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One genuine American Rabbit's Foot..
One genuine American Hara Kiri knife...

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MIdas.........Who cares if the guy is a Judge or a Waiter..........It's a matter of "Right" and "Wrong".......Don't you Get it.....
There are two actions at stake here....The Libel ( Tough to Resolve).....and the Actions of the Seller after the Sale............Why are you Blaming B-J........Were they the ones that Breached the Sales Contract........Remember......After the Gavel is dropped....the car has a New Owner......How would you feel if you had bought the car and this guy comes over and decides that even though you bought the car thru a Legal Venue, that he didn't want you to have it put the chains thru the rims (scratching them) and padlocked everything......what if the next guy decides to sabotage the engine or whatever because they are "UnHappy" with the Results.........Where does it end????
B-J is doing what they have to do........Don't you understand that.........Again.......what if "You" had bought that car

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Kwizz, I get it just fine. I see your point, and though I don't like B-J, I think you have to look below the surface on this one, as where there's smoke, there's usually some sort of fire.

It would be untrue if I didn't think the chance for B-J to make even more money has corrupted them, but that's not the point. The fact of the matter is that the words "fraud" and "auction" are being used in the same sentences as B-J, and bringing suit will be even more damaging, regardless if they win or lose, as it puts these words out there with B-J in the same sentence even further.

My points are that a judge presumably knows the boundaries of the law, and if you've read any of the background in this case, B-J bringing a case against anyone is a bad move.
Some interesting reading for you:

http://www.classiccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8767

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There are many things that could be improved with our criminal justice system. OJs trial didn't change or accelerate anything. I was a prosecutor in Vegas at the time of OJs trial and correctly predicted very early in OJs trial that he would be acquitted because as a prosecutor I could see the case was being grossly mishandled by the prosecutors trying OJs case.

OJs defense attorneys did what they were paid to do. They did their jobs. If everyone else had done their jobs properly OJ would be in prison. The OJ jury was overwhelmed due to prosecutor incomptetence and it was an exceedingly simple case. I have presented DNA evidence to a jury many times and even I was confused after watching the DNA evidence as it was presented in the OJ case.

Our country went all the way to the middle east looking for a war. All we had to do was look outside to our city streets and we could have found a war. Last year over 12,000 people were murdered in this country. Imagine if we as a country had invested five years and billions of dollars to fight the war on crime here on America's streets?

In five years we lost over 3000 brave soldiers in the middle east. I wonder how many of those 12,000 murder victims we could have saved if we had fought the American war on crime instead of the war in Iraq.

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Les-- All good points, and well-made.

If you don't like our criminal justice system, think about being falsely-convicted in a third-world country, and the list of possible ramifications. Or, watch Midnight Express... Either gives you a new appreciation of lawsuits, the appellate court, and the overall legal process that we have in the U.S.

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I don't think I ever said I didn't like our criminal justice system? I think I was commenting on the innocent guy who went to prison. And trying to articulate that the reason the system makes mistakes is based in large part on the overwhelming volume of crime in this country in relation to the resources to fight it, and that rather than invade a country then dismantle it's infrastructure then hope to prevent a 1400 year old civil war from festering I think the money and lives lost could have been better spent in this country on the war on crime that gets relegated to the back pages of the newspaper each day. My two cents.

I think our criminal justice system does a great job even as it functions without the necessary resources it needs. The result of too much crime and not enough reources to fight it is the type of mistake detailed on the dateline episode. Our health care system is in the same state.

Overall our criminal justice system fucntions remarkably well IMHO. Yes innocent people have been convicted but far more guilty criminals have walked then innocent ones convicted, from my experience in the system which dates back to 1983.

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Hey Les, I don't think that was aimed at you. I believe king Midas was saying "If a person doesn't like our criminal justice system...", not implying you, per se.

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....OJs defense attorneys did what they were paid to do. They did their jobs.

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Les,

I'm not going to attempt to debate law with you as I'm not
armed for that fight. However, there is something terribly
wrong with a system that allows defense attorneys to greatly
increase their financial holdings and in so doing, lieing, misrepresenting facts,
manipulating juries, bla-bla-bla, all in the name of defending their
perspective client. Clients, I might add, that can get
away with murder, rape, robery, etc.. It's just wrong!
No other way to make that PC. If they did their jobs, then
I rest my case.

We all learned this when we were kids - wrong is wrong no
matter how to dress it up. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

I'm not attacking you personally. I'm just sick of it all!

Steve

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Yes Tom, you are correct-- I was saying we have a great criminal justice system here that attempts to be fair. I also think that Les points out issues that our current government has failed us on.

Using the analogy of a third-world country puts this into perspective, as it's very easy to think that the U.S. has too many lawyers.

If people simply got their hands cut off w/o trials, sure we wouldn't need lawyers-- But I don't think anyone here wants that. There will always be problems with anything, but you probably wouldn't think a good lawyer was overpaid if you were a defendant in need of support. Or, a plaintiff in a vice-versa situation.

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I thought this thread was about Barrett-Jackson and cars? Some of you guys need a compass to stay on course. Focus grasshopper.

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I thought this thread was about Barrett-Jackson and cars? Some of you guys need a compass to stay on course. Focus grasshopper.

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What's a matta! Never heard of a segway? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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We all learned this when we were kids - wrong is wrong no
matter how to dress it up.
Quote Steve

But........we grew up in a different "Time".......Remember......."Truth, Justice, and the American Way"..........For you young ones......That was the leadin to the Superman TV show https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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What's a matta! Never heard of a segway?

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif
When you shift to a new topic or activity, you segue. Many people unfamiliar with the unusual Italian spelling of the word misspell it as “segway.” This error is being encouraged by the deliberately punning name used by the manufacturers of the Segway Human Transporter.

Maybe you should include a dictionary in your cart with that compass.

Back to the original topic, please. Thank you.

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The problem I have with our criminal justice system There is no common sense https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gifin the system
Just look how the justice system rail road the two boarder patrol agents
As far a B/J goes no mater what happens in the Name Barrett-Jackson will all ways be tarnish By this action My Feeling is They should have just dropped or settle behind close doors
This Lawsuit will do them more harm than good They Might think they will win But
Only time will tell them that was an awful bad move https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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We all learned this when we were kids - wrong is wrong no
matter how to dress it up.
Quote Steve

But........we grew up in a different "Time".......Remember......."Truth, Justice, and the American Way"..........For you young ones......That was the leadin to the Superman TV show https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Did somebody call SUPERMAN !?

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...3/LoisLane.jpg

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gifSuperman, this thread is out of control!!
and my cell phone weighs about 28 pounds !!

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What's a matta! Never heard of a segway? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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Good one, Nuch!


https://www.yenko.net/attachments/259752-Segway.jpg

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"segue"


segue[1,verb imperative]segue[2,intransitive verb]

Main Entry: 1 se·gue
Pronunciation: 'se-(")gwA, 'sA-
Function: verb imperative
Etymology: Italian, there follows, from seguire to follow, from Latin sequi -- more at SUE
1 : proceed to what follows without pause -- used as a direction in music
2 : perform the music that follows like that which has preceded -- used as a direction in music


the important part; that follows like that which has preceded

(ie: this post in NOT in segue with the original topic)

segway accidents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJpqILkj_SE https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teuxleC6f_k https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Most attorneys manipulate the system and facts for their clients and it IS wrong and that is just one reason everyone including me hates lawyers and lawyers are destroying everything that was good about this country.

THAT BEING SAID LETS ALL HOPE THE LAWYERS IN THE BJ LAWSUIT ACT ETHICALLY. THERE NOW WE ARE BACK ON TOPIC. LOL LOL LOL

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All right guys! I'm getting footprints ( or maybe Segway
tire tracks https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif) on the top of my head. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/ooo.gif

Enough with the segway, err segue already! OK, I'll admit
it. I used it in the wrong context and mispelled it as well.
As Steve Martin once said: WELL! EXCUSE ME!!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Phew. I thought this thread would last longer than the trial!