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Bush did have the nads to say marriage is between one man and one women. that means he knows the difference between an intake and an exhaust, sounds like a car guy to me.

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Perot for prezz..........anytime a guy with some common sense that may be halfway honest comes along they bury him before he gets close, it has always boiled down to the lesser of two bozo's. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

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This country needs an Italian for President. Then we would be talkin! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

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With the mafia behind him most problems would be solved!!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Rudy? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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it has always boiled down to the lesser of two bozo's.

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and his first campaign promise;

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WANT ME TO CHANGE THE AIR IN THE TIRES, TOO ??

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I am tellin ya, if snoop dog was the president he would have the president of venezuela and korea and iraq and iran, over to his crib for a couple of blunts and beers, and they might lighten up a bit,lets face it the presidential address would be the most watched ever, I could here em now (shnizzel, fizzel, wizzel,)LOL

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He would have all those boys playing a part in his and Dre's movie "The Wash". https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif Our country would be sitting pretty right now. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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"Girls gone wild" from the white house. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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I am writing in Schonye for President

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Anyone who has a body like Pamela Anderson has my vote.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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You guys must..................................... be blind!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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And the man responsible for 9/11, Osama Bin Laden still walks the face of this earth laughing his a$$ off at the United States. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

Go figure.

Rick H.

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and laughing and laughing and still laughing. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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if he was walking anywhere, I think he would be dead, lets face it life for him isnt real peachy at this point, hes got tons of money and he cant even enjoy it now, there is a good reason Osama is for the democratic party, it spells freedom for him to do what he wishes. He laughs when he watches the news, and he says (those fools are going to do it) HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

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He's had that freedom for five years, thanks to Bush backing-off on killing him. OBN is laughing because he got what he wanted--a U.S. invasion of an Arab country. He's happy in his sanctuary in northern Afghanistan/Pakistan where they all love him as a Muslim hero and a true holy warrior. He has all the time he needs to plan another attack or just live as a celebrity among his people. Bush will be long-gone and OBN will still be chillin' in small villages, well protected by thousands of Afghan and Pakistani warlords.

What I want to know is why Bush went from wanting OBN "dead or alive" ("smoking them out" of their caves) to saying "I really don't think that much about him." We went from pounding their asses with B-52s in Tora Bora to suddenly backing-off and heading out to Iraq. Why? I mean, we HAD him.

I respect opposing opinions Rich but you really can't believe that the election of Democrats helps al Quaeda? I mean, do you really believe that? How would it be any worse than President Bush backing-off and practically forgetting about bin Laden?

If anyone has emboldened the enemy it's the Bush administration. They backed-off killing bin Laden and then invaded an Arab country just as bin Laden wanted us to do, setting up an al Queda training ground where none had existed before. Now they can kill us over there instead of having to come over here to do it.

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I respect your opinion also Bill, I dont want to bore these guys with political talk, I do think they should try takeing a poll at a mud bog instead of a coffee shop one time just to show there are supporters of our presedent,All of the neg. press is a great victory for the dems and osama. its nam all over again, jane fonda is even back on the news,we know she got 1000s of our people killed last time she ran her mouth. SAD very sad,Osama said we are week, its starting to look like alot of us are.

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I respect your opinion also Bill, I dont want to bore these guys with political talk, I do think they should try takeing a poll at a mud bog instead of a coffee shop one time just to show there are supporters of our presedent,All of the neg. press is a great victory for the dems and osama. its nam all over again, jane fonda is even back on the news,we know she got 1000s of our people killed last time she ran her mouth. SAD very sad,Osama said we are week, its starting to look like alot of us are.

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I was 100% in support of bombing the s*it out of al Queda and the Taliban in Afghanistan and it made me proud to be an American when the news showed the B-52 contrails circling high over Afghanistan. I supported President Bush in that mission.

Negative press shows the world that we Americans have the guts (and the maturity as a nation) to criticize each other and our government, something that is NOT allowed in Muslim countries. Whether it's Fox News supporting the president unconditionally or CNN etc. harshly criticizing the president, that's something that religious fanatics such as OBN want to stop. "They hate us for our freedom" doesn't explain the whole problem with Muslim terrorists but it does explain it to some degree. One thing's for sure, the Bubbas at the mud bog and the yuppies at the coffee shops were unified as one on 9/11 and it was squandered.

Bin Laden may have thought we were weak until we chased his ass up into the caves of Tora Bora. Our soldiers captured an al Queda radio and heard bin Laden apologizing to his brothers for bringing down such a horrible death (by B-52) upon them--yes, we were that close--and then, suddenly, we stopped. I don't care who you are or where you stand on the issues, at the moment we had him we just let bin Laden go. (And now the Taliban are coming back.)

Jane Fonda was an idiot 40 years ago, acting out some flaw in her upbringing, and she hasn't outgrown her need to be paid attention to. I remember seeing Jane Fonda urinal stickers when I was first in the Air Force (they were still around in the late '80s) and they were hilarious. My college ROTC commander in 1985-87, Colonel Jerry Driscoll, himself a POW in Hanoi for 8 years, had not one word to say about Jane Fonda and I think it's best that way.

One thing to keep in mind is that no matter when we leave Iraq, it will dissolve into a bloodbath of revenge killings. It's basically there now but when we leave for good it will be one huge orgy of killing each other until they're completely exhausted. Same thing hapened when we left Vietnam. Remember the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia? Ever see the photos of the thousands of human skulls piled up in bamboo huts? Once we pulled out they went wild and killed each other by the thousands. Same thing's gonna happen in Iraq, whether it's next year or in 50 years.

Gerald Ford basically cut and ran from Vietnam and look how good that country is doing today? Hell, there REALLY IS a Hilton in Hanoi today! Here's the address: Hilton Hanoi Opera hotel, 1 Le Thanh Tong Street, Hanoi, Vietnam 0, Tel: 84-4-9330500 Fax: 84-4-9330530

Incredible.

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My son spent over 13 months in Iraq along with thousands of other soldiers. My wife and I have had enough. This war will never end. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif Sam

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Andy,

You keep telling yourself that! Can you say hello madam
President? Hillary will divide the country in half in this
election. She could squeak it out if they use TV and the
media ( they're so good at that ).

Here's my prediction for '08. Obama goes long and hard in
the primaries. He steals Clinton's minority vote and eats
away at her numbers. All of a sudden ( let's say 40 days
before the election ), Obama either gets sick, gets killed,
or passes the torch to Clinton. She ends up with all the
minority votes, the women votes, etc.. It's a scarry scenario.


So, you have to ask yourself on thing. Is she that
conniving? Will it be just luck that it goes that way,
or planned out? If they play the country and it works -
it's over dudes.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

That list scared me. Looks like the list of people involved
in any way with the Kennedy Assassination that died mysterious
deaths. The Clinton's are real bad people.

I just wish she'd go away. Fat chance of that. Power hungry!

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Looks like you have your outline in order - start writing that book.

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Bill, This what happen Ford was not the problem.

Dispirited conservatives and Republicans rightfully appalled at the Cunningham, Abramoff, and Foley scandals should remember history as they contemplate not voting in the 2006 elections because of disillusionment.

In early 1973, the Dow approached new highs in a booming economy. In the 1972 election, the new left was rejected in almost every state. The Paris Peace Treaty was concluded with North Vietnam memorializing its pledge not to interfere militarily in the affairs of South Vietnam. The nation was prosperous and at peace.

Worst President

Within a short time, the mainstream media were able to dismember and destroy the Nixon Administration, using as their sword the Watergate affair. In the congressional elections of 1974, Republican candidates were pounded, losing 48 House seats and five Senate seats.

Until the 1990s, the so-called “Watergate Babies” (i.e. left-wing Democrats) ruled Congress. As its first act after the 1974 election, the new Congress cut off all aid to South Vietnam. Within a short period of time, this led to Communist conquest of all of Indochina, the massacre of at least 4 million of our friends in the killing fields of Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam, and the displacement of millions of “boat people.”

In 1976, the left wing captured the White House with the worst President of modern times—Jimmy Carter. By 1979, the U.S. economy was in shambles with 12% inflation, 11% unemployment, and vast deficits. Our military was reduced to a shadow. With even our embassy officials held hostage in Tehran, the United States became a powerless joke to the world. It may be fairly said that but for Ronald Reagan the days of our democracy might well have been numbered by the consequences of the 1974 election.

It is not clear why the voters of 1974 thought it wise or just to indirectly cause the destruction of millions of allies in Southeast Asia because of the cover-up of a minor burglary at the Watergate. They certainly did not know that by their votes they would punish themselves severely, leaving, by the end of the Carter years, a U.S. economy that was a burned-out hulk and a nation that was humiliated.

I wonder whether history will repeat itself this year. Despite mainstream media distortion, the economy is in its strongest condition since the Reagan years with low unemployment and inflation rates and diminishing fiscal deficits. We have recovered from the implosion of the Clinton Internet bubble and the shock of Sept. 11, 2001. We have crippled al Qaeda, assembled an international coalition to deal with North Korea and made reasonable progress in defeating at least the foreign insurgency in Iraq. We have seen no terrorist attack on our heartland in more than five years.

Despite the second-guessing by Democrats who have no military experience and by a few veterans who question the Iraq policy, an overwhelming majority of active-duty personnel support the Bush policies and the Republican administration. For example, in 2004, an Army Times poll of active-duty military personnel showed less than 15% voting for Kerry and more than 80% voting for Bush. Despite the token military veterans trotted out by the Democratic Party as Trojan horses in Republican areas, it is clear that a large majority of veterans and active-duty personnel reject the “cut-and-run” policies of the fringe element now in control of the Democratic Party.

In the spring of 1975, I watched in horror our refusal to aid our South Vietnamese friends and their collapse. I watched our friends die by the millions in the gulags of Cambodia and Laos and in frenzied attempts to escape on the high seas, and I remembered my friends, who died in Vietnam, and whose sacrifice was so casually discarded by the “Watergate Babies.” I lost faith in the United States for many years.

I wonder now if we are so blind and ignorant of history to actually allow a new crop of “Watergate Babies” to install clearly unfit leaders such as Nancy Pelosi (D.-Calif.), John Conyers (D.-Mich.), and impeached Alcee Hastings (D.-Fla.) as the guiding force in our nation. Considering that a Democratic win could mean the rise of John Murtha (D.-Pa.) from Abscam to majority leader, and Hastings from impeached federal judge to House Intelligence chairman, it is no exaggeration to say both parties have bad actors. The distinction is that the Democrats promote them and the Republicans fire them.

Finally, I wonder if voters (like those in 1974) are going to actually vote for the betrayal of our Iraqi and Afghan allies and the sacrifices of our troops. I wonder if our Iraq War veterans will watch the mass execution or flight of those who fought with them and believed in us. If so, history teaches us that in the end we will suffer terribly ourselves. This is particularly true here, where we face adversaries who have said they will not stop at the waters’ edge but have already reached across the ocean to destroy our nation’s largest buildings and thousands of our people.

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Bill, This what happen Ford was not the problem.

Dispirited conservatives and Republicans rightfully appalled at the Cunningham, Abramoff, and Foley scandals should remember history as they contemplate not voting in the 2006 elections because of disillusionment.

Rest assured, Republicans will vote. It's Liberals who tend to stay home and thus "lose on principle." There's a kind of nobility in victimhood. Keep in mind too that Liberals hate Hillary for her vote to authorize the war.

In early 1973, the Dow approached new highs in a booming economy. In the 1972 election, the new left was rejected in almost every state.

McGovern, a WWII B-24 combat pilot, just didn't know how to wield the bloody hatchet required of a winning American presidential politician.

The Paris Peace Treaty was concluded with North Vietnam memorializing its pledge not to interfere militarily in the affairs of South Vietnam.

Yes, the secretly-negotiated (so as not to anger the Rebublican base) peace with North Vietnam. Kissinger made a deal that gave the Communists the entire country of Vietnam as long as they would let us retreat, achieving "peace with honor."

The nation was prosperous and at peace.

And OPEC initiated the 1973 oil embargo, driving up prices and driving down availability.

Within a short time, the mainstream media were able to dismember and destroy the Nixon Administration, using as their sword the Watergate affair.

No, Nixon did that to himself. Bob Woodward, Republican-raised himself, merely exposed the Watergate break-in as an event that was initiated from within Nixon's oval office. When the tapes finally showed that Nixon authorized the break-in, he resigned.

In the congressional elections of 1974, Republican candidates were pounded, losing 48 House seats and five Senate seats.

Thanks to the incredible stench of Nixon's demise.

Until the 1990s, the so-called “Watergate Babies” (i.e. left-wing Democrats) ruled Congress.

They'd ruled congress long before Nixon authorized the Watergate break-in. By the way, politicians always sway with the political winds of the voting public. If the public wants war then the politicians will vote for war. If politicians think the public has had enough of lying politicians then they themselves can turn on their own party, the way Chuck Hagel has been coming out against the Bush "surge" plan. Polls may be just so much BS but all politicians watch the polls closely.


As its first act after the 1974 election, the new Congress cut off all aid to South Vietnam.

Can you say "money down a rathole?" How about, "don't throw good money after bad." Sounds like a solid fiscally-conservative notion.

Within a short period of time, this led to Communist conquest of all of Indochina, the massacre of at least 4 million of our friends in the killing fields of Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam, and the displacement of millions of “boat people.”

Just think, if Nixon hadn't gotten himself caught-up in the Watergate scandal, a scandal of his own doing, he might have been able to focus fully on the problem of the Vietnam war. Ford, knowing that the country was worn-out from the stench of Watergate, finished the withdrawl from Vietnam begun by Nixon. The congress might have cut-off funds but neither Nixon, nor Ford, did much, if anything, to reverse the witholding of funds.

In 1976, the left wing captured the White House

No, the Democratic candidate won the 1976 election.


with the worst President of modern times—Jimmy Carter.

Probably the most Christian too.

By 1979, the U.S. economy was in shambles with 12% inflation, 11% unemployment, and vast deficits.

The bill for the spending on the Vietnam war was coming due. Both parties contributed to this effect. Carter just didn't know how to deal with it--I'll give you that.

Oh, and the federal deficit became MUCH larger under President Reagan. Bigger still under G.W. Bush.

Our military was reduced to a shadow.

Just as it was after WWII.

With even our embassy officials held hostage in Tehran, the United States became a powerless joke to the world.

Well, we let our guy, the Shah of Iran, get himself kicked-out of power. America was worn-out by the Vietnam war and reluctant to rush headlong into a war to keep the Shah in power. Oil wasn't as big a problem as it is today so we let the Shah's regime fall. Trust me, Republicans would have cried bloody murder had Carter decided to launch a war to keep the Shah in power.

It may be fairly said that but for Ronald Reagan the days of our democracy might well have been numbered by the consequences of the 1974 election. It is not clear why the voters of 1974 thought it wise or just to indirectly cause the destruction of millions of allies in Southeast Asia because of the cover-up of a minor burglary at the Watergate.

Americans had seen the writing on the wall with the Vietnam war long before Nixon green-lighted the Watergate break-in. Yes, it was LBJ who led us down a path to failure in Vietnam but Nixon stayed on that path, for the most part, until he resigned in 1974. Ford finally turned off the lights in 1975.

They certainly did not know that by their votes they would punish themselves severely, leaving, by the end of the Carter years, a U.S. economy that was a burned-out hulk and a nation that was humiliated.

Both parties and nearly the entire country were worn-out by Vietnam and then Watergate. The delayed immense fiscal impact of Vietnam war expenditures didn't help and ol'Jimma, who got to be the one to take it on the chin and he didn't know how to deal with it. He was defeated in 1980 because of that. America's national "malaise" of the late 1970s stemmed from the previous 10 years of failure of both party's leaders: LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter.

I wonder whether history will repeat itself this year.

History almost always repeats itself. It's called "politics."

Despite mainstream media distortion

Including Fox News and talk radio. Distortion is big business, after all, and very profitable. Ask Josef Goebbels!

the economy is in its strongest condition since the Reagan years with low unemployment and inflation rates and diminishing fiscal deficits.

And pay cuts for many Americans. (I took a 33% cut in 2005.) The Minimum Wage was just raised by Democrats but the Senate Republicans attached still more tax cuts to the bill. I'd rather have tax and spend instead of slash taxes and spend out of control. Does anyone manage their personal finances that way?

We have recovered from the implosion of the Clinton Internet bubble

Well, Wall Street saw that a tax-slasher and deficit-spender might win the White House so they pulled their money out of the stock market to wait and see who won in 2000. When the tax-slasher/deficit-spender (biggest in history) was awarded the presidency, Wall Street re-invested in other things or just kept their money out of stocks. Smart money comes out of stocks when there's a possible change in fiscal policy, as we saw in 2000-01.

and the shock of Sept. 11, 2001.

If only Bush and Condi had paid attention to people like Richard Clarke and the "bin Laden determined to strike within the United States" CIA briefeing memo. Sometimes I wonder if the Bushies wanted an attack so they could govern the country from a wartime footing. It's much easier to govern when people are scared.

We have crippled al Qaeda

For a short time in 2002. Then we went into Iraq and allowed al Queda and the Taliban to re-generate and get back into the fight.

assembled an international coalition

Sounds good--is Poland on board this time too?

to deal finally! with North Korea and made reasonable progress in defeating at least the foreign insurgency in Iraq.

They'll back-off and let the sectarian violence wear us down for a while, then come back and fight us again when they think the time is right. (Just as the Viet Cong did for 30 years against the French and then us.) They are definitely in this for the long haul, as bin Laden said.

We have seen no terrorist attack on our heartland in more than five years.

We woke up on 9/11. Now that we know how those bastards will come at us we are all much more vigilant. We've been damn lucky too. When the TSA makes me drop my pants at the check point (I am an airline pilot) I know it's because we are at war now and I must do my part. I am now a "boxer" man as my old briefs revealed too much in public.

Despite the second-guessing by Democrats who have no military experience

Aside from the now-fired Don Rumsfeld, who else in the Bush White House has served in the military or seen real combat? We know Bush ducked into the Texas ANG so as to stay out of the meat-grinder in Vietnam (who can blame him?) but it's clearly the "Chicken-hawks" who have gotten us mired in the Middle East. Any Democrat who voted to authorize the war will probably pay a political price. Remember, the liberals are mad at Hillary for her pro-war vote and may stay home if she's the nominee in '08.

and by a few veterans who question the Iraq policy

-As is their patriotic right as Americans under the Constitution of the United States.

an overwhelming majority of active-duty personnel support the Bush policies and the Republican administration.

Maybe senior officers who aren't in harm's way make up an overwhelming majority. The grunts in the sand, off the record so as to avoid persecution by their superiors who want to stay on the good side of the politicians who promote them, probably "overwhelmingly" want to come home alive and never see that goddam sand pit ever again.

For example, in 2004, an Army Times poll of active-duty military personnel showed less than 15% voting for Kerry

Kerry did everything he could to lose the 2004 election. It's no wonder he polled poorly with soldiers.

and more than 80% voting for Bush.

"You never change horses in mid-stream." Not even if the horse is drowning.

Despite the token military veterans trotted out by the Democratic Party as Trojan horses in Republican areas, it is clear that a large majority of veterans and active-duty personnel reject the “cut-and-run” policies of the fringe element now in control of the Democratic Party.

Rest assured that the fringe doesn't actually control the party. "Cut and run" is an ingenious political sound bite slogan that was dreamed up by the Karl Rove wing of the RNC. It's a catchy, snappy slogan that busy voters respond to in this sound-bite driven country of ours. The fringe may want to cut and run but there's no way in hell we could cut and run, even if the voters wanted us to.

In the spring of 1975, I watched in horror our refusal to aid our South Vietnamese friends and their collapse.

"Cut and run" causes such horrors and that's why we won't see another cut and run strategy in Iraq.

Oh, and who controlled the White House in '75? Who was the "decider" then?

I watched our friends die by the millions in the gulags of Cambodia and Laos and in frenzied attempts to escape on the high seas

During news breaks on Monday Night Football. Yes, I remember too.

and I remembered my friends, who died in Vietnam, and whose sacrifice was so casually discarded by the “Watergate Babies.”

By "Watergate Babies" and everbody else in America. As a nation we were spent. Worn out. America, not just the politicians, but a "overwhelming" majority of the country wanted to move on and we did. We let our vets slip through cracks put in place by politicians and America charged forward and elected Ronald Reagan. The roaring '80s began and America put the previous 15 years out of its collective mind.

I lost faith in the United States for many years.

Until January 20th, 1981, right? It was morning in America from that day forward. Well, until January 20th, 1993, right? By the way, we shoudln't lose faith so easily. American democracy is a messy and sometimes bloody process. If you don't want to know how sausages are made or how legislation is dranw up, keep your nose out of the kitchen and the capitol.

I wonder now if we are so blind and ignorant of history to actually allow a new crop of “Watergate Babies” to install clearly unfit leaders such as Nancy Pelosi (D.-Calif.), John Conyers (D.-Mich.), and impeached Alcee Hastings (D.-Fla.) as the guiding force in our nation. Considering that a Democratic win could mean the rise of John Murtha (D.-Pa.) from Abscam to majority leader

And McCain from Abscam to president, I assume?

Wait, it's gonna' be Jeb in '08. Nevermind the McCain comment.

and Hastings from impeached federal judge to House Intelligence chairman, it is no exaggeration to say both parties have bad actors.

I agree with that. Stench is often bi-partisan. It's our fault, you know. We vote for them.

The distinction is that the Democrats promote them and the Republicans fire them.

Bull! The only people Bush has fired (until Rummy) were people who dared question him! He's the "CEO President" all right. He had to fire Rummy. Funny how Bush waited until the DAY AFTER the mid-term election to finally do it.

Finally, I wonder if voters (like those in 1974) are going to actually vote for the betrayal of our Iraqi and Afghan allies and the sacrifices of our troops.

If the Iraqis and Afghans don't stand up then American voters will likely tire of American casualties and vote to end the fiasco and bring our kids home.

I wonder if our Iraq War veterans will watch the mass execution or flight of those who fought with them and believed in us.

If the Iraqis and Afghans don't stand up then American voters will likely tire of American casualties and vote to end the fiasco and bring our kids home. Then yes, our kids will watch the slaughter--the slaughter which will occur whenever we declare "victory" and leave Iraq.


If so, history teaches us that in the end we will suffer terribly ourselves. This is particularly true here, where we face adversaries who have said they will not stop at the waters’ edge but have already reached across the ocean to destroy our nation’s largest buildings and thousands of our people.

Remember, we don't learn from history and are thus doomed to repeat it. If you're smart you'll study the investment trends during such periods and invest accordingly. That's what the rich are doing. Either that, or get out and vote. Good luck, and remember, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

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Nice debate, https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif I agree with some and of course disagee with some. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif Back at ya' Kim.

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Bill, ya damn show off...just kiddinghttps://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Bill.......Just explain the Marc Rich Pardon to me.........LOL https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gifKen https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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I agree Ken, that one really stunk-out the joint. Outgoing presidents do stuff like that. Reagan (or was it Bush senior?) pardoned Ollie North and all the Iran-Contra boys and that stunk too. I think Marc Rich's wife, a very attractive lady, if memory serves, cozied up to ol'Bill and cooed in his ear (etc.) until he agreed to pardon her husband. She probably promised him a big pile of money for his presidental library and for the DNC too.

Okay Ken, now you need to post a photo of your Nova's sweet L-89 engine and let's get back to the good stuff.

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I think Bush and Cheney planted all them bombs in the WTC and then hided behind some bushes and fired some kind of missile into that Pentagon place. And that other plane just plain crashed fer no reason. Most Americans are too stoopid to know this!

Suggestion - let's stay away, way away from politics. IMHO we are better off to leave this forum to something we all have in common.

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I agree Ken, that one really stunk-out the joint. Outgoing presidents do stuff like that. Reagan (or was it Bush senior?) pardoned Ollie North and all the Iran-Contra boys and that stunk too. I think Marc Rich's wife, a very attractive lady, if memory serves, cozied up to ol'Bill and cooed in his ear (etc.) until he agreed to pardon her husband. She probably promised him a big pile of money for his presidental library and for the DNC too.

Okay Ken, now you need to post a photo of your Nova's sweet L-89 engine and let's get back to the good stuff.

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Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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This is a car site right?

Just kidding, this has been a very enlightening debate of varying opinions that did not denigrate in to some all out slugfest complete with all types of bashing and personal attacks and insults. Way to handle this with class and dignity for everyone that has participated so far.

I do have some comments for you Bill specifically though and I would encourage others to join in as well. It pertains to Nixon's Watergate and Clinton's Sexgate. In reading your rebuttal, my take away from it is that you blame the malaise that settled in with the country and nation as a whole from '74-80 on Watergate and the fall out there after. You make it seem as if Nixon committed, to a certain extent, some great act of treason. I was in 3rd grade when this occurred so it didn't mean much to me then but as I studied it in school it was just one act of the "political process" that has been going on for a long long time. One side is trying to gain the upper hand on the other side for political gain. One of the main objectives of the break in was to find a information on donors but also to look for black book that contain the names of some "ladies" that went the extra mile to show their "commitment" and for their "do" who it takes attitude to help the Democratic party, (wink wink). Only this time the operatives got caught and the rest is, as we all know, history. They say politics is full of dirty tricks so it should surprise no one that things like this have happened in the past and have also happened since. I am not condoning it but merely stating it's a fact of life.

However, if you examine the "actions" that Clinton took with a White House intern, an employee of the federal government, where he completely and selfishly took advantage of his position of authority and abused it to the extent he went on TV and lied to the American people, when he uttered those infamous words " I did not have sex with that woman...Miss Lewinksy." I find this far worse than what Nixon did. Clinton than went on to lie about it and stone wall the American public until his actions and conduct lead to his vote of Impeachment. To me and to many of my contemporaries, Clinton desecrated the office of the most important positions in the world. At least Nixon had the stones to leave before a vote of impeachment took place and in doing so attempted to avoid further embarrassment and dishonor to the highest office in the world. Clinton chose not too and by lying to the American people in the manner and method which he did, remember the whole "define is" fiasco created more distrust for the office that any President following will be looked at with a microscope the size of the Washington Monument!

The media gave us Clinton and then they gave him a free pass. If Ford, Reagan or Bush senior had conducted something similar to what Clinton did there sure would be hell to pay. GW Bush is paying the price to a certain extent with the whole WMD's issue and our entrance in to war with Iraq but that's another issue. It's been nearly 10 years since Clinton lied and tried to cover up has actions to the American people. The country, as a whole, has not fallen into the malaise it did after Watergate. The economy has continued to grow, interest rates are low and inflation has been kept in check. To me, what caused the problems that occurred in '74-80 (including disco) were not all Watergate related and a result of the disillusionment of the American people with the political process.

In your opinion what was worse, Nixon's Watergate or Clinton's Sexgate?

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif I like this guy ! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

Tom,

The real reason Clinton didn't leave office had to do with
what we are facing today - HILLARY! I truly believe this
was their plan all along and his antics put a serious kink
in the "master plan". If he left office, she would have
been toast. Just remember her now infamous " vast right
wing conspiracy" discussion on the Today Show. She looked
like crap. It showed in her face. All those years of
putting up with Slick Willies non-sense and it almost came
to a grinding halt. She was in total damage control mode.

She played it well. You have to give her credit for that.

BTW, this really isn't a car site at all. We do Politics
and sometimes get into cars. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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Man you guys are impressing me. Very intelligent debates! You guys are to smart to be messing with cars. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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Tom, Watergate was worse. The "malaise" of the '70s was due first to the long, hard slog of losing Vietnam with over 58,000 dead American soldiers and then Watergate just added to the downward spiral. Nixon did all he could do to obstruct the Watergate investigation, just as Clinton did with all of his "bimbo eruptions." Again, it's just my opinion, but I'd rather the president was "happy," shall we say, and the economy buzzing along instead of having a vindictive, paranoid president, bent on destroying his political enemies no matter what. I guess one man's burglary is another man's b___-job.

(I like Chris Rock's explanation of Monica-gate. He said that if Hillary had been "on the job," Monica wouldn't have stood a chance! Now that's just comedy genious.)

Monica went to Washington, and I quote her, to "get her presidential knee-pads" and she did. She knew a horn-dog like Clinton would oblige her and he did--and he was impeached. Hillary, like Bill, is a political opportunist, just as is every winning politician, and she decided to stay with Bill, probably to further her own ambitions. If you're not ambitious, you're not going to be the president.

The media surely did not give Clinton a "free pass." They covered Monica-gate with zeal! 24/7 zeal! All that talk about stained dresses and cigars--hell, the media couldn't get enough because they knew WE THE PEOPLE couldn't get enough! (The media moguls saw what a gratuitous nation wanted with the O.J. trial coverage, 24/7, and then Clinton just handed the 24-hour news media Monica-gate and the cable news advertizing departments went HOORAY!!!) (So did Republican fund-raisers.)

I'd bet that there is a large segment of the political Right that prays for another Clinton administration. I mean, it was FUN to go after them in the '90s--it made Rush a rich man--and Bill just kept on giving them more to feed on! A second (third, that is) Clinton administration would make cable news ad revenues quadruple overnight! Fox and all the other cable channels would shout "YAHOO, now we can fill the 24-hour news cycle!" Funny how people can make lemonade when given lemons.

Nuch, we seem to do politics here in the Lounge section. If guys didn't post silly political stuff then maybe the Lounge would be more about silly jokes or videos. (Who started this anyway...) We're all entitled to our opinions and others are entitled to rebuttals. Think of it as being fair and balanced.

Not to worry boys, I really don't think Hillary has a chance. She's not Bill. People miss Bill. They miss him because he had sex-appeal and charisma and he was smooth in front of the camera--he still draws huge crowds all over the world. Hillary makes people react negatively, trust me. Certain parts of the Democratic party might want her in the White House but they don't realize that it's Bill who they want back in the WH. Oh, and if Hillary does get elected, she'll push Bill out the door and say, "It's MY show now!"

Relax, it's gonna' be Jeb, I can feel it.

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Speaking only for myself, I can't afford to mess with my Camaro so I type. Send me car money and I'll stop typing.