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Remember boy's.....a restoration is not about what is liked or not liked....It is about what it was.PERIOD.There are a lot of things that are not pretty... in fact very ugly...about the way GM or any other company made these cars.A restoration will include these things....a CUSTOM car or MODIFIED car will not.....understand? Apples and oranges.....A restoration is not the flavor of the day....unless it's "the" day the car was made... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif


Steve

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It's called OVERRESTORATION. It began happening with Model T Fords in the 70's with casting flash being ground off the exposed front axle, etc. Serious folks know about it and many consider filled frames, LSD inspection marks, etc. as wrong (but prettier!) as a 12 year old's Krylon job on an engine....
Dave

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------We have to remember that there was an owner involved in a bunch of decisions on this restoration. Right or wrong, no resto shop would undertake as much over-restoration as we see here without the owner wanting it badly enough to step up with his wallet and pay for it.........Bill S

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These are the same people that,I believe,were not even at VF to dispute the cars score.....must not have mattered then....why does it now? Enjoy the car...That is why you restored it... is it not?


Steve

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From what I have read in this post, the car is going to auction. So it appears that this car was done just to be flipped. Vettefest was just going to be used to get a gold spinner, so it could be mentioned on the auction block. Alot of people go nuts when they see an aluminum engine under the hood, and really don't look much further. There are alot of ZL1 cars out there with plenty of issues.

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you have a pm.

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Hey Bob,
Is there any UPDATES to the scoring sheets to the ZL-1?
Just kind of curious as to what has un-folded.
Thanks,
The "MOF" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

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Hello........ Bob what gives the question has been asked a few times and noooooooo...... answers ? Why no answers before BJ ? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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Hey Bob,
Is there any UPDATES to the scoring sheets to the ZL-1?
Just kind of curious as to what has un-folded.
Thanks,
The "MOF" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

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As far as any updates, this is strictly between the Judging Supervisor and the cars owner. If the owner chooses to publicize his discussions, that is his decision.

Not trying to be a jerk, just feel that this is not an issue for public discussion.

While we are on this topic, let it be known that at no time did I feel the Judges did anything wrong or were not qualified to properly handle the job.

Thanks/BA

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Thanks Bob..I wouldn't think that was public info. I can attest first hand that VF judging is pretty tough.

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Wearing the blue jacket is a great service to the people who love their cars. They deserve good accurate judging.

The trick is to be critical of the car only when needed and leave the owner feeling as you would want to feel - that is fairly and honestly treated during the process.

Phil https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Hey Bob,
Is there any UPDATES to the scoring sheets to the ZL-1?
Just kind of curious as to what has un-folded.
Thanks,
The "MOF" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

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As far as any updates, this is strictly between the Judging Supervisor and the cars owner. If the owner chooses to publicize his discussions, that is his decision.

Not trying to be a jerk, just feel that this is not an issue for public discussion.

While we are on this topic, let it be known that at no time did I feel the Judges did anything wrong or were not qualified to properly handle the job.

Thanks/BA

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I agree under most circumstances. But if the car is up for auction, by the owner, for the whole world to see and evaluate quality judging results would be nice to know. If the car scored fantastic you know that would have been part of the marketing of the car. To not reveal the results also shows potential buyers of a 800K or so car that maybe multiple things are wrong. Maybe some buyers don't care and want a ZL 1 no matter what.

Obviously a very nice car, it was judged, I feel the results, good or average, would enhance his ability to sell the vehicle for top dollar, IMO.

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Maybe they display the scoring sheets with the car at auction.

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Can Bob disclose if the car won gold or silver ? Do they list the winners online anywhere ?

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............ Do they list the winners online anywhere ?

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They should be listed in the media guide for the upcoming Spring show and eventually on their web site.

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............ Do they list the winners online anywhere ?

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They should be listed in the media guide for the upcoming Spring show and eventually on their web site.

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This is correct; we should have the Gold Spinner, Gold Bow Tie Blvd, Triple Crown and Top Gun and specials (display awards, club awards) recipients on the site within a week or so.

Thanks/BA

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thank you for the interest in #36. i appreciate all of the attention it recieved at vette-fest and here on the site. your feedback has been most helpful. the items mentioned here, as well as several not mentioned, have been corrected. i took the car to VF to get exposure, and i am pleased with how much it received. i will attempt to post photos of the items corrected for those who are interrested or have commented on the issues with this car. these will be posted later today or this weekend.

joe

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Its a great car......corrected or not - super resto by CPR

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pics.....

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WHERES THE PICS ????????????????

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pics

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Thanks for the pics...They really highlight the amount of effort that went into the restoration.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif


Steve

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There is still a whole lot of wrong that has not been addressed......

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What kind of paint/coating is on all the bare parts like the spindles, sway bar etc?
Steve

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Tell you what Chuck Huber is one hell of a car restoration expert!!!

Man that is sweet.

Joe, What a great car. No matter what anyone says you got a ZL-1 Bro!!!

Sean https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Tell you what Chuck Huber is one hell of a car restoration expert!!!

Man that is sweet.

Joe, What a great car. No matter what anyone says you got a ZL-1 Bro!!!

Sean https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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thank you for the interest in #36. i appreciate all of the attention it recieved at vette-fest and here on the site. your feedback has been most helpful. the items mentioned here, as well as several not mentioned, have been corrected. i took the car to VF to get exposure, and i am pleased with how much it received. i will attempt to post photos of the items corrected for those who are interrested or have commented on the issues with this car. these will be posted later today or this weekend.

joe


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I believe this post by Joe pretty much sums up the correctness, or lack of it, of the original restoration, and why it did not score well at VF.

IMO, Joe deserves a lot of credit for coming on here, admitting there were some issues with the car, saying that he was going to correct them, even posting pictures as he goes along. Hopefully everyone on here will be supportive of Joe as he makes the needed corrections to the car and next time out, the car “knocks them dead”. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Tell you what Chuck Huber is one hell of a car restoration expert!!!

Man that is sweet.

Joe, What a great car. No matter what anyone says you got a ZL-1 Bro!!!

Sean https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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thank you for the interest in #36. i appreciate all of the attention it recieved at vette-fest and here on the site. your feedback has been most helpful. the items mentioned here, as well as several not mentioned, have been corrected. i took the car to VF to get exposure, and i am pleased with how much it received. i will attempt to post photos of the items corrected for those who are interrested or have commented on the issues with this car. these will be posted later today or this weekend.

joe


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I believe this post by Joe pretty much sums up the correctness, or lack of it, of the original restoration, and why it did not score well at VF.

IMO, Joe deserves a lot of credit for coming on here, admitting there were some issues with the car, saying that he was going to correct them, even posting pictures as he goes along. Hopefully everyone on here will be supportive of Joe as he makes the needed corrections to the car and next time out, the car “knocks them dead”. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Well said Tom. Takes some guts around here... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Re: ZL 1 #36
 

Starting with the fuel line.

Go look at the original photos of #3 & #5. The ZL1 fuel line is configured the same as L72 or L78. The fuel line in the photos here is not even close.

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"IMO, Joe deserves a lot of credit for coming on here, admitting there were some issues with the car, saying that he was going to correct them, even posting pictures as he goes along. Hopefully everyone on here will be supportive of Joe as he makes the needed corrections to the car and next time out, the car “knocks them dead”. "

Excellent comment. This group is a tough crowd, but it also hosts some of the most informed people in the hobby. A car like this deserves to be dead-nuts correct and what better place to find out just how a car measures up the 'the standard'? Sounds like Joe is willing to take the heat to get it right. I wish him the best and look forward to seeing it again. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I'd take a scraper to that 'GM' decal in the door jam for starters, I think that's a '68 thing....