The Supercar Registry - 1969 Chevelle

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Wow Doug, what. Steed you had there. What happened to it?

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Wow. Those are great photos Doug. How long did you own it for.

Thank you for sharing those.

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Excellent photos. I really like the white stripe tires. Very nice.

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Hi Doug,

Was your COPO well optioned - I see it had Bucket Seats.

Could this be Vic D'Agostino's 1969 COPO Chevelle. Vic restored in in 2004 and SOLD it in 2006.

https://www.yenko.net/features/2004/September2004.htm

Dan

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Woj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Excellent photos. I really like the white stripe tires. Very nice.

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Me too!!!

I will have a 69 with thin white walls one day!!

Ryan

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi Doug,

Was your COPO well optioned - I see it had Bucket Seats.

Could this be Vic D'Agostino's 1969 COPO Chevelle. Vic restored in in 2004 and SOLD it in 2006.

https://www.yenko.net/features/2004/September2004.htm

Dan </div></div>

That is a sexy beast!!

Ryan

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Doug's Copo Chevelle has not turned up as far as I know, B397120.

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Hey Kevin
I was there every night at Harveys, saw Jim race many times. I was President of Weston Hi performance racing club At that time.
I had the only 1966 yellow chevelle SS at harveys.

Jims Killer car was never beat while I was there
No one knew at harveys he had an L88.
Nice guy how did you know he had an L88 car
Peter

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Hi guys. Unfortunately those pictures were taken when it was only a couple of months old. I took that blue bow tie emblem off of the grill and its still in the top of my tool box today along with the B&A Chevrolet sign off of the back. I just bought another B&A Chev sign at a swap meet a couple of weeks ago; first one I have seen come up for sale and it was for sentimental reasons only. I have the original bill of sale, transport copy and broadcast sheet for that car; well optioned?--not really. It was a 427-425, M22, 4:10s, bucket seats, SS Wheels and a radio, pretty standard for the day. It drove like gangbusters though-12.60 et. first day out with slicks and headers. Doug.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427strato</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi guys. Unfortunately those pictures were taken when it was only a couple of months old. I took that blue bow tie emblem off of the grill and its still in the top of my tool box today along with the B&A Chevrolet sign off of the back. I just bought another B&A Chev sign at a swap meet a couple of weeks ago; first one I have seen come up for sale and it was for sentimental reasons only. I have the original bill of sale, transport copy and broadcast sheet for that car; well optioned?--not really. It was a 427-425, M22, 4:10s, bucket seats, SS Wheels and a radio, pretty standard for the day. It drove like gangbusters though-12.60 et. first day out with slicks and headers. Doug. </div></div>

Where is it now?

Ryan

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Doug, nice hearing from you again, it's been years lol.

I remember the stories of this COPO Chevelle as well as some about Edgar (Spelling the dutch name right, GOOD LUCK) Vandertuin's COPO 427 Nova???? I worked with Ed around '82 when I bought my Black GTX convertible. We talked cars and he and others were claiming that his GREEN '69 Nova was another COPO like your Chevelle? I recall Ed saying that HIS and yours were the only 2 FACTORY installed 427 cars in town. Gordy's '69 Nova, that I know own, was "supposed" to be a 427 car too, but we knew better about that one YEARS ago when Gordy still owned it, it IS a SS396 Nova. You knew all the stories on this stuff, so what was your take on Eddie's Nova?

John

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My 69 was raced for a few years by the fellow I sold it to and then he pulled the engine and stuck it in a 69 Nova. Another friend of mine was in the car one night when he supposedly pulled the wheels in front of MacDonald's on King George Rd. I wonder if the engine is still in Brantford; maybe in a 69 Nova?

The only other COPO around this area at that time was another 69 Chevelle, yellow, that sold out of Central Chev. in London. He lived in Mt. Pleasant at the time but we didn't know each other at the time however we are now good friends. The last time I saw his car a gentleman that owned the Sunoco station in Waterdown owned it and he has sold it since.

The same guy I sold the 69 Chevelle to, who I have known for many years, also was the subject of another kind of neat story. A friend that I still hang aroung with in London owned a 67 Vette, 427-435 hrs car, that was drag raced and sponsored by Forbes Bros. back in 67 and 68. When he got it the car had the wrong engine in it, a real no no even then. He asked me if I thought I could find the original engine. Sure enough the guy that I sold the Chevelle to had the engine in his Blazer and was ploughing snow with it. My friend eventually bought the motor from him and it was reunited with the car. Unfortunately the 67 we hear is in Japan now. Doug.

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Great stories!!

I would love to meet one day and chat Muscle Cars....I am very confident we will find something to talk about:-)

Ryan

PM, or call when you have time

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Doug, so I wonder if Edgar's Rally Green '69 Nova SS was your old engine? It was a 427-425Hp engine I recall. But as I found out, you never know till you take them apart yourself! I know when we talked about the car YEARS ago, like 30 years, he was telling me he put a 3 piece quarter panel on the car and the car went to Motion car show. He won "something" with it. I know for a fact that the "rumored 427" in my Nova was in fact a standard bore 402! So that was a hell of a 402 the way it ran in the '69 Nova when Gordy had it.

Also remember street racing in Toronto with Proctor's Vette. Raced a blue '69 COPO Camaro and beat it pretty good. But then we were getting called out by Serge Longo and his Challenger. We wanted NOTHING to do with him and that car!!!

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a friend of mine Tom Hurst owed a blue copo camaro auto always talked about racing at harveys and my gold copo camaro and a 454 silver chevelle

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It's been brought to my attention that I have made a mistake! The car I was speaking of is/was FATHOM green, not "RALLYE" green.

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A guy by the name of Larry Legere in Halifax NS supposedly has a 1969 COPO Chevelle. Fathom Green or Black not sure its has been years since I saw it. I believe he found it in PEI. I was told the seller on PEI did not know what it was.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Furback</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A guy by the name of Larry Legere in Halifax NS supposedly has a 1969 COPO Chevelle. Fathom Green or Black not sure its has been years since I saw it. I believe he found it in PEI. I was told the seller on PEI did not know what it was. </div></div>

I was once told of a possible COPO down east but I believe it was New Brunswick. It would be interesting to have more info on it. The 69 COPO Chevelle I am chasing is definitely green.

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I checked into this Chevelle. It is Dusk Blue or Fathom Blue. I am surprised that someone here does not know about it. The only COPO 69 Chevelle sold in eastern Canada. A friend of mine ran the VIN at GM Canada and it is verified COPO 69 Chevelle. It has the original engine and M22. Sold new in PEI.

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Alberta
Have been looking for a 69 big block coupe.
Have seen a few but still looking
Is yours for sale?
hnjr

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New Brunswick
Newfoundland and Labrador
Nova Scotia
Ontario
Prince Edward Island
Quebec
Which of the above are you considering/not considering eastern canada???

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Furback</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I checked into this Chevelle. It is Dusk Blue or Fathom Blue. I am surprised that someone here does not know about it. The only COPO 69 Chevelle sold in eastern Canada. A friend of mine ran the VIN at GM Canada and it is verified COPO 69 Chevelle. It has the original engine and M22. Sold new in PEI.
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What car are you referring to here? Legere's? I was just told by an Islander that the COPO Chevelle associated with that province was wadded up in the 70s, but the tags "lived on"....

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Legere has the car with the documentation. And also the matching numbers engine and M22. The car is in REAL nice condition. Apparently there is a guy in Ontario that offered a friggin camp on a lake for it or whatever Legere wanted for the car. Like, name your price. An Ontario company purchased what was left of a 1970 Camaro SS L78 from here and all they took was the engine, trans, rearend and tags, the rest went to the scrapyard. The car was so bad I doubt the leftovers weighed 300lbs. LOL.

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To me, Eastern Canada is all provinces you mentioned 427King except Ontario. To some people it does not include Quebec. I was told that GM Vintage vehicles services stated that this COPO Chevelle was the only one sold in Eastern Canada. I would not know any different. I just happen to have seen the car and met the guy and one of my longterm friends is the one who ran the vin at vintage vehicle services and it came back COPO. There were a lot of re bodies done over the last 40 years I suppose. And a lot of fakes created as well. Harder to do with a COPO though, as I think better track was made of the lower numbers of them. I am a Nova guy. Would love to have a nice 69 Chevelle though, my favorite year of Chevelle. If I had saved all the NOS 69 Chevelle stuff I had over the years I could build a nice car. LOL.

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The blue Copo Chevelle sold in Nova Scotia would be B412667, Lemans Blue M22. It is the latest Canadian shipped Copo Chevelle I have on the list.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BARRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a friend of mine Tom Hurst owed a blue copo camaro auto always talked about racing at harveys and my gold copo camaro and a 454 silver chevelle </div></div>

WE street-raced a Blue '69 COPO Camaro with a friends '73 454 Vette. Weston Finch timelines in early to mid 90's, I wonder if it was the same. We raced twice that night, beat the COPO and another Chevelle I recall, THEN the hitters came calling. Next was either Serge's Challenger or the "Joe Cool" '69 Camaro from Comp Auto. Needless to say, we declined both offers. LOL

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It appears that Dougs ( 427strato) COPO that he owned when new has been listed on EBay today in British Columbia ! ebay ad

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I believe Dougs car was written off some time ago?

"Unfortunately """" I traced my COPO at the same time as the Stratochief and found the last owner. He advised he had totalled it two years before and gave me the name of the wrecking yard it went to. I went to the yard and the owner advised me he had purchased it six months earlier and crushed everything they had. This was the car I first tried to find and the second, being the Stratochief, took me about seven years to repurchase."

That was from Doug to another member of a different site back in 2008.

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Also, IF this does turn out to be Dougs old COPO, funny that Doug stated above that he recalls the 427 being pulled and put in a '69 Nova from our town! And he was wondering if that car still had it??????

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Maybe Doug will chime in and confirm if this vin B397120 is a match. If not this one is a twin to it, Fathom Green, wood wheel, M22 ,white stripe tires and buckets. Only pre resto photos are of a shell, no frame or front end( possibly wrecked)?

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I have been in contact with Doug. Not my place to repeat what he has told me, GOOD OR BAD. Will reply the message and see if he will post.

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I find it interesting that the supposed Copo Chevelle on Ebay, B397120, which is supposed to be the car Doug bought new on Sept. 21, 1969, trading a '67 Corvette towards, has a body shown in the Ebay ad that has green body color sprayed over the floors where the plugs should be, with no evidence of caulk. It looks like someone went to great effort to make it look like a factory green body shell, with water stains/ pine needles in the floor areas, etc. That is also certainly the cleanest Ontario '69 Chevelle body I've ever seen!

The Copo Chevelle that Doug bought new, B397120 was known to have been sent to the junkyard tears ago. I talked to a Copo Chevelle owner who sent his Chevelle to the junkyard years ago, a Fathom green car. He didn't know it was a Copo, he called it a 396 car. I need to verify which Copo that was, it may be the same car.

Mark

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Hi everyone. Its Doug, the original owner of copo 120.

I didn't think it was appropriate to comment before the end of the auction of what would appear to be my old Chevelle based on the questions asked on this forum.

The facts as I see it are as follows:

1) I purchased the car new from B&A Chevrolet in September of 1969.
2) I attempted to trace the car by talking to various owners that I knew, or they knew, of the next guy, in the mid 80's because I wanted the car back, not that it was worth anything back then.
3) I eventually found that I could do a Ministry search of the car by way of a computer in the mid 80's, which I did and they gave you a printout of that search of which I still have the originals. I searched both of my original 427 cars that I bought new, a 69 Chevelle and a 68 Pontiac Strato Chief.
4) The first car I went after was the COPO car. I researched my search and contacted the last owner that was shown on my printout, actually through a couple of other people. He advised me he was in an accident two years before and that the car was written off by the insurance company at the time. He gave me the name of the wrecking yard and I went there the next day. I have the name of the yard. The owner of the yard advised me at that time that he had purchased the wrecking yard six months prior to that and that he had crushed everything in the yard. I specifically asked about the Chevelle and he replied, everything; he could have been lying.
5) I thought I remembered what colour the car was when he wrecked it but I hesitated to tell anyone after 27 years from talking to him. I research for a living so I decided to look for one of the persons I talked to 27 years ago. Sure enough, my memory hadn't faded as much as I thought and the colour was blue as I remembered.
6) I somewhat regress here as we need to discuss the original engine. I know the names of the individuals involved here however I do know the people and am still acquainted with the people I'm speaking about. I traded the Chevelle for a 68 427 Vette. That owner raced the car for a couple of years and then removed the motor and installed it in a 69 Nova. I know he pulled the wheels of the Nova in front of MacD..... one night with another friend of mine in the passenger seat. I am still acquainted with both of these people. Enough of the engine.
7)The search that I made of this car is interesting in itself. Who could have possibly had the paperwork other than myself?
I gave a copy of my documentation to two guys only, one in Waterdown, Ontario, which I have his name on an item sent to me by him.
The other was traded to a person in the Kitchener/Waterloo area for a 68 SD Beaumont SD air cleaner which I have his name in my book of contacts.
These are the ONLY two. Of most interest to me is when talking to the vendors at present, they knew of the two female owners, which only surface from my Ontario Ministry search; they have a copy of that?; I don't remember giving it to any of them but obviously I did.
7) The last owner on my search had asked me why the car had a lot of SS stuff on it but it wasn't an SS, hence he didn't know what the car was. It had a small block in it when he totalled it. When it went to the yard it was basically an old used car hence the insurance company wrote it off. The question remains, how could anyone know from a wrecked used car that it could be a collectable car of the future.
8) The restoration job on the vehicle in my mind is unbelievable; far beyond what I could do and I think I'm pretty good.
9) As an aside, I was on the Chevelle site earlier and the only thing they could get their heads around was why the tires were not correct; I have a hard time thinking that a group of people could possibly get sidetracked by that, ie 5 pages of a forum. ::##@^*##::, but they really, really liked the car.
10) Did one of the two guys I gave the information to find the original body after I had gone to that yard to look for it? MMMMMM? MAYBE?

11) I had a discussion with the restoration person, not necessarily the owner, and he tells me the actual owner of the car is in Alberta, not BC.

12) My 70 Laurentian 454 car went to Alberta a couple of years ago and I had wondered how he could get the title converted as the ownership was lost here in Ontario. He told me that all they need is a bill of sale in Alberta. Ownership of the Chevelle appears to be from Alberta, not BC or Ontario. Is this how it works there?
13) Certainly the car can be absolutely correct but its up to the individual purchasing it to do his due diligence in ascertaining the correctness of the car for sale. Its not up to me to say one way or the other.

14) By the way, give me 30 seconds with that car and I will tell you if its correct. You have to wonder how I would know that, right; trust me,its from the dumbest photograph which I have never posted because I thought it was so uninteresting, but, I can. Doug.

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Cool stuff... I love this sight for all the inside..been there done that info. !!!

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Well seems the reserve was NOR met???? Seen the other COPO Blue Chevelle did sell for 140,000. Wonder IF this owner will let it go, I think I would!!!!!

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Hi, I’m the guy who restored Doug’s car. Soon after I bought the car a fellow from Alberta purchased it from me and I built the car for him. I have heard about this car for years out here in B.C. Everyone out here has. It has had about 4 owners all in the B.C. Someone would have to pull the records from ICBC (Insurance Corporation of B.C.) To verify the names and dates of these owners. The car has been out here since the 80’s. When I got it, it did have a previous attempt at a restoration none of the work was good enough for me. Doug’s paper work, a copy of the original bill of sale, a copy of the broadcast sheet, a copy of the Ontario owner history and a copy of the original delivery paperwork was included. Also what was included was all the stories of how the car was in a minor accident and ended up at an auto wrecker. When I bought the car it came with the engine, transmission and rear end. I had them all rebuilt and gone through. Out here in B.C. the insurance agency is run by the government. It takes quite a bit to get an out of province vehicle in to your name. You need a vehicle inspection completed and if there are any deficiencies they all need to be fixed before being able to register the car in your name. You would also need to perform a statutory declaration as to how you bought the car if you didn’t have the last known title from Ontario. etc. So in saying that, the car with the mediocre restoration must have passed the inspection here in B.C. at the time of registration. The accident must have been fixed. When I bought the car I did a Carproof report on it showing the history in Ontario and then B.C. and that there were no liens on the car nor did it indicate that it had been written off in Ontario. This search doesn’t show the various owners just the city and date that it was transferred. To comment on the floors. This picture that I took was just before I took the car to the blasters. I always remove the floor pan plugs with a propane torch and remove the seam sealer that holds them in. I also always cut the quarter panel lips off so that the blasting media can clean all the inside areas. The lips were gone. The floors appear to me to be original GM as well as the trunk. There were some repairs to the floors completed previously and I cleaned them all up. Also to note both of the hidden vins are on the firewall. After having the body blasted there were absolutely no signs that these had been tampered with. On the ebay auction I posted one of the firewall hidden vins. I have no doubt that this is Doug’s old car. I had some great conversations with Doug and the owner is negotiating purchasing the original paper work for the car off of Doug.

Thanks Cameron.

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Monteman's first post since joining in 2006 and a good one.

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"When I got it, it did have a previous attempt at a restoration none of the work was good enough for me. Doug’s paper work, a copy of the original bill of sale, a copy of the broadcast sheet, a copy of the Ontario owner history and a copy of the original delivery paperwork was included."

Photocopies?