Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

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Jeff....You would still sell him the car for 25K even though he knows it is worth 50K ? If it were me I think I would have called the guy back and said sorry but I apparently made a big mistake when I assigned a price to the car. Even at 50K for this Nova it is going for half price if it is as described. If it sounds too good to be true it usually is.

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Charley, I can't really answer that question since I don't think I would find myself in that situation. I also think this BM car sounds too good to be true. If a seller knows enough to advertise the car as a real BM Nova and has docs to back it up, he should have a better idea of the value of the car. Hopefully somebody will update us on whether this is a real deal or not.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

This thing reminds me of the fiasco that occured when MrYenko asked about a '69 racecar (unknown Yenko Camaro) on here while it was still on Ebay. A couple of sYc members got hosed on that deal, and guess where the guy who caused all the problems was from? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Sounds like a good tail chaser......

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

In fact I'm sure there are people already trying to cut Enochs nuts off in whatever way they can dream up right now... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif
Just follow the trail of nuts to this guys front door....

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

I don't believe any of this https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

I believe all of it. We've all contributed to bringing what was once a simple formula of owning a car and having fun to this point!

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

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Your right it would be hard to say no to a higher price, but if you have someone you told you would take his deposit esp after either driving a few hundred miles or flying in and then the guy gets there and hes told the car just left, thats just not right.

Oh well if Enoch doesnt end up with it I would be its a fast resto job and then sold within the year

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I think everyone is assuming way too much. The initial contact with this guy yielded the "higher than asking" offer which was accepted. The way I understand it is that everything else happened after that. Not sure why the guy agreed to have someone else come by or whatever, but the first contact at 6am closed the deal. Maybe he was not convinced initially that the offer was legit-- but I am positive that right now he is assured it is. Seems to me that whomever booked a flight (possibly from California?) may have been a little premature? Or....maybe it isn't over yet. As Charley said, this thing may not be over yet. I am sure we'll know more details (including authenticity) before work on Monday. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

Also, Jeff, why would you assume that if someone other than the person you know is purchasing the car that it will be "flipped"? Are you saying that only people you know are honorable enough to buy a car for any reason other than to make huge profit on it? I guess I wonder what you consider to be a huge profit that is alright? Does $84,000 profit in one year constitute "flipping" to you? Because I can think of a recent instance that nothing negative was said about. Personally, I understand that things come up and things must be sold sometimes even when you don't want to. Not saying anything negative about the transaction I am alluding to, just pointing it out-- so don't get mad at me.

Look, I am not trying to start fights or stir the pot but things are getting a bit offensive in my opinion. All over a car that was completely fair game to anyone. I think it very unfair to make public assumptions on anything right now regarding the future home or fate of this car.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Phil, I never assumed or said anything about the car being bought to be flipped. All I said was that I have never flipped a car for a profit. We obviously don't know what has really transpired here so we would only be guessing.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

i can tell you right now this deal was not done at 6am! my cell phone (which the owner said was the 2nd # he called this morning) says says 6:27 CST. i probally will never forget missing that call! i was up to take a whiz, heard my cell ringing and wondered "who the bleep is calling me at 6 in the morning"? my cell goes to voicemail after 2 rings. i ran downstairs to only miss the call by a split second. i called back immediatly and every half hour until 10am when he answered. i guess its double irony cause if i'm not up to take a whiz i dont hear the cell. which is kind of like rubbing salt in the wound. 2nd call back.... AHH S**T!

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

I am in Ca. but I'm not chasing the car in case you were thinking of me.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

It would be interesting to know just how many members here have called about the car even after it was said the car is sold.
James

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Sal (the owner of the car) called me very early this AM and here is how the conversation went.

He said that he wanted cash, I said I would come down now to look at and give a deposit for the car. He then told me that he needed to get permission from his friend because that is where the car is being kept and his friend has valuable cars there (an L-S6 convertable among others) I said I could respect that and he said that he would call me between 3-4 PM this afternoon after he got out of work and I could come look at it tonight. I again said that I was coming down with the intention of putting a deposit on the car after my inspection, then I would return on Tuesday when the banks opend with the balance of what we agreed upon in cash. He said that would be fine.

We also taked at length about the Baldwin Motion cars He knew some, but not much about them. I asked if it had a hone over drive and he didn't know. I then asked if it had side pipes and again he didn't know. I asked if the car had a L-88 hood or a 67 corvette stinger hood. He then said that it had the stinger hood with a white stripe on it.
He said that the car had an document from Baldwin Chevrolet. And I asked if that was where the car was originally delivered to and he said yes it was. He asked why I wanted to know and I explained to him the diffrence in value between a Baldwin delivered car and a motion modified car, he again didn't know about that. He then told me that he never drove the car since he bought it 19 years ago out of hemmings.
I still have not heard from Sal. Is it legit or is it bogus https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif If it is legit then Sal is getting short changed because I am willing to double the $50,000.00 offer.

Does it matter if I get the car? It would be nice... but my happeness does not come from things so I wont lose sleep over it.
I now will get the popcorn out and continue to enjoy this thread.
There is much more to this but I am not good at conveying my thoughts with a key board.
Rich.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

I didn't mean you, Jeff. I meant Hawaiian Camaro Jeff. Sorry for the confusion.

I am telling you that the offer to give more than asking price was made at 6 am this morning. I don't know what the seller is thinking or doing, but 6 am was when the larger offer was made and accepted. Everything after that, in my opinion, is the seller following the smell of money.

Guys, can you imagine this? You are cleaning out your attic. You run across a painting of some sea-scape. You know it is an original and that the painter was very good, but not much else. So, you think to yourself--"heck, I'll ask $200 for this thing. It should bring that?" Then, news of your painting gets out to the artsy-fartsy world and your phone goes nuts!! 6 am your phone rings and you talk to a guy who will give you way more than you are asking for it, so you say "heck yes-- DONE!"....BUT you continue to get these calls from everyone and thier dogs who are willing to fight over it. Crap, gotta go to work because we are down 1,000 units at the factory-- can't deal with this now. When you went to bed last night all you had was a car you thought you could get some money for instead of it continuing to sit and gather dust. Now, today you have some pretty heavy hitters FIGHTING over your car and willing to get into a bidding war over it-- and the denominations are enough to pay off your friggin' house. All the while thinking, man-- how much could I have gotten for this on eBay?

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

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It would be interesting to know just how many members here have called about the car even after it was said the car is sold.
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I would absolutely agree with this! I wonder. But, my opinion is that cash in hand talks, BS walks. Bottom line is, the conversations that happened this am were without each other's knowledge and weren't willfully harming anyone. Now, anyone who goes after the car outside of these initial two or three people is in a different catagory altogether IMHO.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

This is starting to sound a little like the Ebay Yenko Camaro story from a couple years ago.
James

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Yep, blood in the water. A feeding frenzy. How disapointing it is to witness this "all about the money" attitude on this site!
When it's all over, everybody's going to hate the seller and the eventual buyer. Nobody's going to appreciate the CAR!!!!!! ONLY the MONEY.
It's SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

The seller is not the culprit. He sold the car to someone for profit, real or fake its gone. Are people upset because they lost an oppurtunity to make money or because they really wanted to drive a BM Nova? I wish I had bought a number of stocks before they took off, but I didn't. Like Verne said, the feeding frenzy continues.

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Congrats to the Iowa buyer. If it all turns out to be as described, it was one huge score. Can't wait to hear about the car and see some pictures. There was another big supercar find in the last few weeks and I'm sure the new owner will give some details when he is ready. The exciting thing is there are more of these cars out there waiting to be discovered.

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Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

I personally can say that I won't hate anyone after this deal regardless of outcome. I am personally excited to see if the car is real or not.....and the beauty of all this is. A person who purchased the car 20 years ago will be the real beneficiary. See my point?

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Did i miss something? when the number is called, i get mailbox not yet set up. How did anyone talk to this guy? I think there is alot of BS in this thread, and some may say things to lead others to believe it is sold to by themselves time to make the deal. Just my take......... Roger

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

It's over my head how he has his car stored with his friends so called valuable cars etc. and he is acting like he's been living on the darkside of the moon about the B/M or Motion cars .....

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jfk- I guess the post by resto4u tells us atleast one person who is still trying to get in on this deal!

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Joe, BINGO thats what I thought plus alot more that he said...

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well if anyone wants me to take a picture of my cell with his call back # just let me know!
missed calls: 908-463-5144
6:27am Feb 18
it should read "answer me dumb idiot" as well!

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Well, Enoch did he call you back and did you go to see it? I am dying to know.......

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Not yet Phil, what was your last contact with him. I will let you know if he does call because I'll be there within 90 mins. with my digital camera so we all can know if it's real.

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Enoch, you won't get a call...He is being paid the extra 25K to not answer the phone and consider the car sold. I saw the post last night at about 11:00. I thought it might be too late to call but I tried anyway...I got the same "no message has been set up". I figured I would wake up my normal 7:00 am and try again.... I got the same message. I tried almost half hour until I finally reached him. He said he wouldn't have answered the phone but he was about to make a call. He said the car was real. I hope it all works out for whoever gets the car. From the sounds of it someone is going to get a really good car, we'll just have to see. Either way, it makes for an interesting weekend! It's too bad he didn't answer the phone last night. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

Mike

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Phil, by reading some of the posts you made (below in red), seems you, or a friend https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif have more then passing interest in this deal.


<font color="red"> Seems to me that someone just stepped up and gave a fair offer to ensure he could get a car in a long-distance deal. A guy has to do what a guy has to do to get what he wants.......

The days of "I'll be over at 5pm to give you the money for the car, consider it sold" went out the window once these cars became such a treasure. Now, a person will be getting twice what his top dollar was on the car. You can't argue with the ethics of either the seller or buyer in this case IMO </font>


<font color="red"> I think everyone is assuming way too much. The initial contact with this guy yielded the "higher than asking" offer which was accepted. The way I understand it is that everything else happened after that. Not sure why the guy agreed to have someone else come by or whatever, but the first contact at 6am closed the deal. Maybe he was not convinced initially that the offer was legit-- but I am positive that right now he is assured it is. </font>


<font color="red"> Look, I am not trying to start fights or stir the pot but things are getting a bit offensive in my opinion. All over a car that was completely fair game to anyone. </font>


<font color="red"> I am telling you that the offer to give more than asking price was made at 6 am this morning. I don't know what the seller is thinking or doing, but 6 am was when the larger offer was made and accepted. Everything after that, in my opinion, is the seller following the smell of money. </font>

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I would absolutely agree with this! I wonder. But, my opinion is that cash in hand talks, BS walks. Bottom line is, the conversations that happened this am were without each other's knowledge and weren't willfully harming anyone. Now, anyone who goes after the car outside of these initial two or three people is in a different catagory altogether IMHO.
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Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

I hope this car is real, these B-M cars are awesome! Who can blame the guy for doubling his asking price, way to go! I think he should keep taking offers from the sharks with deep pockets until the price of buying plus the cost of restoration leaves no profit margin or have more in the car than its worth, then flipping it for a profit would be out the window and the collector that truly wants it bad enough ends up with. If the seller does not have a signed contract with buyer he should back up and post the car starting at $100K, and then see who really wants it!

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

One thing about this situation here bothers me. I have seen on this site and other sites where people post about a car they found sitting in a garage some where and bought it for way under the value of the car. There was a guy that came on here a few months ago bragging about a car that he bought from a "little old lady" and other members started ripping him a new one for taking advantage of the lady he bought it from. I believe it was an early model 442 but it's not important what kind of car it was. Why is this any different? People are upset because they missed out on this car for 25% of what it's worth. Is it OK to buy a "supercar" for under market value but not OK to buy a $10,000 car for $2000. Is there a double standard here? Just my opinion.
James

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

James, if you read my post I was informing him that his car was worth "more" than a motion modified car. At no time was I trying to "pull the wool over his eyes"

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Hey..I have a great idea.. Maybe we can buy his Buddys LS6 convert for 80K.

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Sure thing Charley the only trouble is that we can only get in touch with him trough a PO box and he now needs permission from his friend with the motion car to let other people see it now that it's so valuable https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Rich, I wasn't directing this at you or anyone else in particular. I was just making an observation.
James

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Gotta admit this whole thing has been interesting no matter what the outcome.

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No offense taken I just wanted to make sure.

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Thanks for bringing up a PAINFUL past of that Yenko camaro from ebay. That was the WORST roast that I ever took and will NEVER help another sole.
The "MOF"

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

Now that you bring it up, what ever became of the ebay Yenko?

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Thanks for bringing up a PAINFUL past of that Yenko camaro from ebay. That was the WORST roast that I ever took and will NEVER help another sole.
The "MOF"

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Sorry... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

Re: 427 Baldwin Motion Nova For Sale
 

A board member now owns the car and last I heard was restoring it for himself. I wish not to disclose who has it, as they like to stay private. Would like to have this member call me to get an UPDATE on this car.
The "MOF"