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I was partnered with an active bidder on that Z28 on ebay. We had spoken to the seller and the owner of American Classix as the "appraiser" of the vehicle. Both parties had stellar things to say of the quality, but in fairness to the appraiser--he did say the only issue with the car, was the large gaps between the doors of the fenders and rear quarters, but other than that the car was real stand up. So I guess even when you contact an outside party to look at the car, your own eyes are truly the real judge.

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Thanks for all the kind compliments guys. I truly appreciate it. Thanks for commenting Louis. Some of you may remember my work with Al McKenzie (Team Chevelle & Team Camaro Admin) 2 years ago busting Frank Cummings who set up a website called Partzsurplus and then last year busting scammer Christopher Justin who was selling non-existing cars. There is no way I could have done it without the help of the hobby community.

So many guys gave me information I needed to present a case to the FBI which was strong enough for them to look at the issue. Try getting the FBI involved in something that isn't terrorist or drug related and see what happens - *insert cricket sounds here*.

My point is that collectively, we can put a stop to fraudulent activity but we ALL need to be willing to get involved.

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when we bought the car there was no big block in it and the person we bought from told us the miles were 29,000. we have the ontario used vehicle info package and it only list 2 people and neither is the person you mentioned. thanks jimmy

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Well Jimmy, Looks like you are getting a world of knowledge from this site. I would be sending a donation if I were you, and thanking Hylton for his help. Keeps everybody on the up and up! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Rick,
I looked at a LeMans Blue Rs/Z28 in Dunville about 5 years ago. It had been parked for years and was running a 327. The car was bought by someone else and is now a Cortez Silver with blue interior RS COPO. It was in great shape. The original RS COPO was a race car from day one. It's a shame that this rare Z28 was used to affix a set of COPO tags to.

Thomas

1969 Camaro SS, L78, M22, 4.10 posi, Radio Delete
2000 Camaro SS Convertible

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The car was bought by someone else and is now a Cortez Silver with blue interior RS COPO.

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Oh boy, pull up a comfy chair, this is gonna get interesting https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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sir i would like it if you contacted us because we have the dmv listing of all previous owners and theres only been 2 before us. we have only stated what we were told and what inspections of the car has showed us. thanks jimmy

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Hylton
I do remember the Frank Cummings Caper on Team Chevelle. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I would like to know if the seller still insists that this car has the original numbers matching drivetrain?

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to the best of my knowlege the car is all matching #'s they have been inspected and all #'s do match at this time what was done with the previous 2 owners i'm unaware. the previous owner stated to us it was all oringal sheet metal except for 1 quarter panel. thanks jimmy

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Can you post a pic of the engine pad stamping ?

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American Classix is Alan Stanton. He has a nice website: www.americanclassix.net.

There's no mention on the website about expertise authenticating Camaros but he has several classic and musclecars listed for sale.

He has a nice 68 Camaro for sale. Here are a couple of pics of that car's "numbers". I'll let you make your own conclusions as to integrity and/or restoration skills:

http://www.americanclassix.net/carpi...%20eng%206.jpg

http://www.americanclassix.net/carpi...%20eng%205.jpg

I'm with Hylton on this one: "Bullsh!t".

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Where are the broach markings? Do I see remnants of a decked block? Why aren't the numbers consistant with GM stampings as far as straightness?
Hell... What do I know??? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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Here you go Charley.....

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Yawn!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ouguysrock.gif

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what was done with the previous 2 owners i'm unaware.

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So how can you be so sure of your claim?

First off - Canada is a big place. The UVIP (used vehicle information package) you received for the car pertains to owners of the vehicle who lived in the Province of Ontario ONLY! It has nothing to do with anyone who owned the car in other provinces. Of the two owners you identify, the first one has come forward on this site and described quite accurately the condition of the car when he owned it. Are you calling him a liar? He had purchased the car from the Province of Quebec in 2002. The car could have had 10 owners in the province of Quebec from the years 1969 to 2002 when it moved to Ontario.

Your reasoning whould be akin to someone in New York State doing a search on a car at the NY DMV and saying the car only had 2 owners because that is what the NY DMV indicated. Who is to say the car did not spend time in NJ, Philly or Delaware?

One issue at a time! Let's deal with the COPO later.....

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This is not of that car:



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American Classix is Alan Stanton. He has a nice website: www.americanclassix.net.

There's no mention on the website about expertise authenticating Camaros but he has several classic and musclecars listed for sale.

He has a nice 68 Camaro for sale. Here are a couple of pics of that car's "numbers". I'll let you make your own conclusions as to integrity and/or restoration skills:

http://www.americanclassix.net/carpi...%20eng%206.jpg

http://www.americanclassix.net/carpi...%20eng%205.jpg

I'm with Hylton on this one: "Bullsh!t".

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Where are the broach markings? Do I see remnants of a decked block? Why aren't the numbers consistant with GM stampings as far as straightness?
Hell... What do I know??? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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Here you go Charley.....

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Ken: I think Charley is wanting Jimmy to post a pic of the engine stamping from the car in question. The one you posted is not from this car, but just an example of American Classix work.

I would like to see a pic as well.

Lynn

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Gentelmen, I did not have any intentions of misleading anyone and resent those of you that have made that assurtion. For me this is an instance of no good dead goes unpunished. The appraisal I did was never suppose to be used to sell the car i.e. as a market value appraisal. I wasvery frustrated when I was told it was mentioned in the ebay ad. If the car is not numbers matching I had no idea. As far as the 68 Camaro on my website goes, the car was purchased the way you see it. Once again I had no intention of misleading anyone and was unaware of any problems with the block numbers and trim tag until they where mentioned here. Please don't jump to conclusions regarding my personal integrity. If anyone would like to contact me I can be reached at 417-327-2582 to discuss this further.

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Alan,

If what Jimmy says is true regarding the irregular panel alignment as well as seeing the underside of the car completely painted black, how can you appraise this car as a number 1 condition car?

How can you value it as 90,000 dollars when you have not even done any reasearch or made any attempt to contact previous owners? Did you just take Jimmy's word for it that it was an original numbers matching 29,000 mile car? What sort of due diligence do you do when writting up an appraisal? After all, he did have the UVIP which showed the 2 past owners and you could have at least called them up to verify the accuracy of his claim.

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I find your post absolutely ridiculous. It's things like this that leave an unsuspecting buyer with crappy goods.

I don't believe you for 1 second. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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Hylton,

Let me start by saying I am not an appraiser by profession. I live in a small town and am routinely ask to provide owners and insurance companies with valuations. I am very clear that it is my opinion and that in many cases the insurance value and market value my differ greatly.

Yesterday I recieved a call from a bidder on this car who wanted my to ask me some questions. After explaining to him the confusion on the appraisal and giving him my opinion of what the car was really worth he had some questions. Because it had been sometime since I had done the appraisal I volunteered to drive 30 minutes to take a look at the car before answering his questions. I informed him of the panel alignment issue and the fact that the drivers side rear quarter seemed to have been replaced at some time. I was also concerned regarding what appeared to be the remanents of an antenna hole on the right rear quarter panel.

I just pulled up the appraisal and reviewed it. I could not find anywhere on the appraisal where I state that the miles are original or otherwise. Additionally I did not state anywhere that the body etc. retained all of the original GM panels.

As far as the numbers go I based my opinion on viewing the numbers. Once again, this appraisal was never meant by me to be used as a marketing tool.

Also, you can bet this will never happen again. I am officailly out of the appraisal business.

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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHAT A BUNCH OF GIRLS.THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK..............

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Stuart,

You might find it helpful to know that I was not paid for that appraisal and will in no way benefit from the sale of this car.

In a way you are correct. I was to trusting. I won't ever let this happen again.

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Good man.

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Alan,

Thanks for clearing up your position. Very honest.

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As far as the 68 Camaro on my website goes, the car was purchased the way you see it. Once again I had no intention of misleading anyone and was unaware of any problems with the block numbers and trim tag until they where mentioned here. Please don't jump to conclusions regarding my personal integrity.

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Hi Alan:

You may very well be a stand up guy. There have been some harsh words here. Don't mean to be piling on, but what concerns me is that you are holding yourself out as some kind of expert on classic muscle. I have to say I am bothered by the above quote. Again, I don't mean to be harsh, but most everyone, even those with just a rudimentary understanding of engine stampings, would recognize the problems with that one.

Glad to hear you are out of the appraisal "business", which obviously wasn't much of a business for you if you were not getting paid for it

As for the engine stamping on the LeMans Blue car on ebay, I would sure like to see a pic.

What about it Jimmy?

Hope others take a lesson from this.

Lynn

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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHAT A BUNCH OF GIRLS.THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK..............

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Thanks for your contribution, what a nice way of introducing yourself to this Website via your first post.

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This car is like a lot of cars being marketed by Sgt Schultz.

"I know nothing!"

http://cmoore.com/gallery/albums/use...sgtschultz.jpg

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Jimmy,
What I don't understand is why, after all this, you added info to the auction stating that is is matching numbers. The following was added to the auction yesterday.
James

THIS IS THE REAL DEAL WITH MATCHING NUMBERS EARLY 302 4-BOLT DZ BLOCK GM#3932386, 7 BLADE PROPERLY RIVETED NON STAMPED FAN, Z-28 TIMING COVER TO ACCOMMODATE BALANCER, Z-28 202 DOUBLE HUMP HEADS GM 3927186, GM Z-28 FINNED ALUMINIUM VALVE DRIPPERS, 4053 DZ REPLACEMENT HOLLEY CARB, Z 28 ALUMINIUM INTAKE GM 3932472, ALUMINIUM HOUSING GM 3877660, DEEP GROOVE PULLEYS, Z 28 BELL HOUSING GM 3858403, Z 28 FLYWHEEL GM 3791021, Z 28 DISTRIBUTOR GM 1111480, Z 28 ALTERNATOR D 1100837, 12 BOLT WITH 4:10 RATIO POSI, Z 28 DASH TACH ORANGE LINE STARTS AT 5700 RPM AND RED LINES at 7000,UH SHORT STYLE Z 28 RADTATOR, DELUXE INTERIOR, POWER WINDOWS AND RS HEADLAMPS.

COWL TAG ST 69 12437 NOR 111070

TR 716 71 71 PNT

11C

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This car is like a lot of cars being marketed by Sgt Schultz.

"I know nothing!"

30 days in the cooler for the crooksters....and a date w/ Bulkarter's sister when they get out! . And Hylton....you get a round w/ Helga for all your good work! ~ Pete

http://cmoore.com/gallery/albums/use...sgtschultz.jpg

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to the best of my knowledge

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this is the standard answer whenever a scumbag car pumper is caught in a lie.

after reading this topic,the bottom line is the seller of this car and this wannabe fake appraiser are both frauds,and should be put on a list of people to stay away from..

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Lynn,

You are correct. I unfortunaley have not paid enough attention to the numbers on this car. This car was purchased by my partner in December at an auction. He had seen it at a previous auction and really liked it. I had not really reviewed the car before he bought it because at the previous auction it bid more than either of us would have considered bidding. After it was purchased we loaded it up and brought it home. Usually, it would have been run through the shop and a desription written. Unfortunatley, I am way behind so in this case I took some quick pictures of it and put it on my web page which desprately needed some cars.

So, the mistake made by me here was not that I missed it but that I never seriously looked at it. I suppose this is an excuse but it is the truth.

Alan

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the remark " wow what a bunch of girls, the pot calling the kettle black " intended for?

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Andy,

Before you draw that conclusion maybe you should get some more infomation. Feel free to call me at 417-327-2582 or better yet come by my shop in Missouri. I work very hard to represent my car correctly. Additionally, I stand behind them. I sell classic cars because I like classic cars and have for as long as I can remeber. It has been my dream to do this and I can assure you I don't do it for the money.

Sincerely,

Alan

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Andy,

Before you draw that conclusion maybe you should get some more infomation. Feel free to call me at 417-327-2582 or better yet come by my shop in Missouri. I work very hard to represent my car correctly. Additionally, I stand behind them. I sell classic cars because I like classic cars and have for as long as I can remeber. It has been my dream to do this and I can assure you I don't do it for the money.

Sincerely,

Alan

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i dont need to call you.
i have a perfectly good idea what you and your buddy do for a living. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/Charley.gif

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Thank You for ending the auction Jimmy.

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Thank You for ending the auction Jimmy.

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which leads to this being ended as well. If anyone would like info about the car in this thread, I beleive theres a phone number posted that you can all as well.