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Appreciate all the input, good and bad. To Mockingbird, nice to hear from someone who was local at one time. Do you ever remember seeing the Deuce lightin up the tires around Indiana back in the good ole days? We were backed in next to the Dairy Queen one night and all the local muscle cars were driving by and gawking. Earl started the Deuce and cracked the pipes and the owner came out screaming at us that she was calling the cops. Kept ranting something about us being "public enemy number one." A guy from Penn Run had a Yenko Chevelle at the time but don't know what ever happened to it. There was also a guy that lived up the road from us that went down to the dealership and bought a yellow Deuce after he saw ours.
We heard rumor that his mom and dad sold the car when he went to the service. We originally bought the car to run at New Bee (closed down now) but we couldn't get the car factored and Earl didn't want to run it e.t.s We never did get to actually run it at the strip. Did a little ---- raising around Indiana, Kittanning, and a few other places though. Linda |
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Before you jump, yes I am looking for one of these cars (Scott S knows) but I have some questions.
First I think $100k is out of reach for a car like this that needs restoration (they stated it needed restoring). But what I don't understand is why not original paint? Original owner, 18,000 original miles but has been repainted? Why? Is it the original color? Maybe I'm blind but I didn't read that anywhere. I agree with others that I would have taken either of the offers. Rick H. |
Re: Testing the Waters
"Its a shame that these cars bring out so much GREED."
Where is the greed ? These people bought their car new. From the looks of how long the car has been stored they have been away from the car scene for awhile. They decide to sell the car and right off the bat get offers of 100K and 110K. They then are not sure of the value and decide to come here and ask. Who better to reap the rewards than the orig. owners ? Who are you to decide when it is greed ? |
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Lets say they had a offer of 100k and said they wanted 120k. The counter offer was 110k. And now thought they might want 130k. Where does it END. I have had this game played to me.Just my .02 cents.
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Rick, as for original paint I have friends who orderd these cars new and had the dealer repaint them even before they took delivery. It's all a matter of what the owner wanted at the time. NOBODY back then was thinking that thier decisions were going to be questioned like it's part of the Spanish Inquisition.
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Appreciate all the input, good and bad. To Mockingbird, nice to hear from someone who was local at one time. Do you ever remember seeing the Deuce lightin up the tires around Indiana back in the good ole days? We were backed in next to the Dairy Queen one night and all the local muscle cars were driving by and gawking. Earl started the Deuce and cracked the pipes and the owner came out screaming at us that she was calling the cops. Kept ranting something about us being "public enemy number one." A guy from Penn Run had a Yenko Chevelle at the time but don't know what ever happened to it. There was also a guy that lived up the road from us that went down to the dealership and bought a yellow Deuce after he saw ours. We heard rumor that his mom and dad sold the car when he went to the service. We originally bought the car to run at New Bee (closed down now) but we couldn't get the car factored and Earl didn't want to run it e.t.s We never did get to actually run it at the strip. Did a little ---- raising around Indiana, Kittanning, and a few other places though. Linda [/ QUOTE ] Hey Linda (aka public enemy...) Boy, you really painted a vivid picture that is blazed upon my little brain. Never had the pleasure of coming across your ride, but it sounds like you established a rep w/ at least some of the Indianans. My Mom and grandparents lived at 917 Church St. and post highschool I was on N. 6th St. (beyond the hi falutin' homes). My Papa, in his younger years, lived up on a hill above downtown Indiana (name escapes me https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif) around 7th or 8th St. and lived right next door to Jimmy Stewart. Do you remember Jimmy's Dad's store on Philadelphia St.? Worked at Mussers nursery on Christmas break for College money. Did you ever get parts at any of the Auto Parts Inc. stores? Thanks for sharing your memories and GOOD LUCK with whatever you decide to do. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif |
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Post all the docs, pictures, etc. and hold an auction over a period of time set by the owner. I got a feeling 110K would not be the top offer. If all is true these cars don't come around anyday. Original owner, original condition, wow. They said it ran before they parked it with no major rust. Heck leave it all original, clean it up like Charley did the vettes, never know. 200 K for original Z - remember. Cool car, cool story. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif
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The supercar world is relatively small and I am sure the potential buyers know each other and have mutual friends. Therefore, they know what each other offered for the car. My point is... set a price and sell it when someone offers that price. If you want to test the waters put the car on ebay.
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some people have the forsight to step up and pay above market value for a car they want. [/ QUOTE ] I agree...it may be expensive...but that will leave out the people who would want to get it cheap and flip it for more...the person who buys it will do so because they want one and are willing to enjoy the journey of restoring it...or leave it alone for what it is. I can supply them with a defective calculator that I have used a couple times ! Blue is awsum...original drivetrain is awsum...there is no better place to get a feel for what the market is than this site. I think you have had a lot of good input Linda...and armed with it you should go private now and sell your baby to the right person. We will all look forward to seeing it someday either cleaned up and detailed a bit or a full bore restoration ! |
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I love this car, but if it was mine, I would take the money.
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To bad you have to sell it. Original owner cars are special IMO.
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If it were mine and I wanted to sell it for the most money, I'd take it for Barrett-Jackson next year!!
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Rick, as for original paint I have friends who orderd these cars new and had the dealer repaint them even before they took delivery. It's all a matter of what the owner wanted at the time. NOBODY back then was thinking that thier decisions were going to be questioned like it's part of the Spanish Inquisition. [/ QUOTE ] I understand that but instead of speculation I would like to have the original owners state why it's not original paint. 18,000 original mile car with original owner, docs and such but not original paint raises a flag for me. I keep reading some posts here where some keep saying original condition and to me if the car is not original paint then its NOT original condition. I think it's a legit question for what they are claiming and asking. Rick H. |
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I love this car, but if it was mine, I would take the money. [/ QUOTE ]...WHAT '' PRICE '' CAN YOU PUT ON LOVE.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif..NOW IF IT'S YOUR DOG, YOUR CAT, OR YOUR /// WIFE /// YES....BUT NEVER YOUR <<< CAR >>>.....KASEY .. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif |
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Yeh, right...Take it to Barrett Jackson for the horse and pony show.... Be prepared to sell it at no reserve, or buy it back and pay both buyers and sellers fees, plus the cost of getting it there and ond all of the other associated costs involved. That makes alot of sence to me.... The car has had no attention for years, and needs alot of it now, let alone it is painted the wrong color. It is by no means a survivor IMO. You had probably the best buyer handed to you, but you thought that there was some gravy left on the plate. Alot of these buyers do not want the public to know their business, as to how much they are paying for these cars. We are on a real big upswing with muscle car prices right now, but it could turn around tomorrow. So maybe you should forget about the car for another 20 years and it might be worth more, but it might come crashing down. You have caused alot of bad feelings among socalled friends, I'm sure more than you know. Just my $.02.
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The non-original paint is completely irrelevant https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif If you knew how many deuces, (not to mention non-supercars) were repainted because the owners felt like it - you would be shocked. My deuce was repainted in '71 or '72 - does that make it a conspiracy? 'Cmon, you are fishin.
(BTW, the story we (Brian & I) got regarding the repaint, was that it was repainted the color of Earl's niece's eyes. If that ain't sweet, I don't know what is. I think that story was news to Earl when we told him, but.... I thought it added some personal history to the car.) As far as value.... who knows. Of course the $100k+ offers were very high - higher than any restored car has ever brought, much less a project car. But remember, the deuce world is different in several respects. (Don't flame me, this is an educated opinion - educated from knowing what every deuce has sold for in the past 10 years https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif ) First, the deuce novas do not sell nearly as frequently as the y-camaros, or y-chevelles for that matter. So, when a deuce 'is' sold, it is not unusual to see large price disparities between sales events - whether it's a project or a restored car. Second, the deuce novas do not have a non-yenko copo 'following' like the camaros and the chevelles to 'track' the values; ie; each time a yenko camaro is sold, everyone does a wallet check, and when a non-yenko copo camaro is sold for the same value or more than the last yenko camaro - the yenko camaro owners perform another unrealized gain calculation. The deuce novas don't have another 200+ non-yenko copo fleet in circulation to guage selling prices from, so each sale is a stand alone event without anything else to show progression. Third, the market has changed. 4-5 years ago the primary deuce buyer was a guy who wanted a deuce, or two, or three. Today, the market includes an increasing subset of buyers who are completing collections, and have decided to include a deuce. This subset is capable & willing to pay more than the buyers of 1 year, 3 years & especially 5+ years ago. FWIW & IMHO, the current deuce value for a car restored to high standards, with original drivetrain, and excellent paperwork is $150k. I think the offers made on this car were unreprecedentd & extremely good for the sellers, and the offers were within reason for the potential buyers to get the car restored - hold it and enjoy it for a few years - and still not get upside down in the event it needs to be moved. So, if the sellers were 'testing the waters', I believe they found the sweet spot faster than they thought. However, as we all know, this could all change tomorrow https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif |
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Nice car! And since everyones giving their .02 cents. Here's mine. No reason not to test the market here on this board. I would say most feel 100K or more is a handful of cash for that car. So do I.
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Good points Marlin and you are correct that cars like this are very difficult to put a value on because of the fact that so few are sold. I'm sort of in the same position with '67 Z's and have watched their selling prices very, very closely for the past 8 years. A year ago, I could confidently give someone an expected selling price on their car and be pretty darn close to what it would bring. However, all that has changed in the past year as more and more people are paying unprecedented prices for what they want. The '67 Z that is mentioned earlier in this thread is a really nice car that I would have said would bring maybe $90K - $100K last year due to the paperwork and one-owner status etc. The current owner is the cousin of the original owner and he wants $150K for it firm. Given how crazy the market is right now, it wouldn't surprise me if he gets it! When will it end??? I don't think anytime soon.
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Okay, I have one more stupid question...
what makes this UNRESTORED, PAINTED, MODIFIED ENGINE car worth 50k more than Stefano's L78 ?? I swear, I must be in the dark ages... 2 Yenko decals, some glue on door trim and a LOT of dirt add's 80k to the value of a documented, and fully restored or original, mint condition SS350 or L34 4 speed car? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif Jim |
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4 letters: COPO + 5 letters: YENKO
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"What makes this UNRESTORED, PAINTED, MODIFIED ENGINE car worth 50k more than Stefano's L78 ??"
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Okay, I have one more stupid question... what makes this UNRESTORED, PAINTED, MODIFIED ENGINE car worth 50k more than Stefano's L78 ?? I swear, I must be in the dark ages... 2 Yenko decals, some glue on door trim and a LOT of dirt add's 80k to the value of a documented, and fully restored or original, mint condition SS350 or L34 4 speed car? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif Jim [/ QUOTE ] 'cmon Jim, when you made a FAST car - what did you copy, an L78 or L34 car? |
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Okay, I have one more stupid question... what makes this UNRESTORED, PAINTED, MODIFIED ENGINE car worth 50k more than Stefano's L78 ?? I swear, I must be in the dark ages... 2 Yenko decals, some glue on door trim and a LOT of dirt add's 80k to the value of a documented, and fully restored or original, mint condition SS350 or L34 4 speed car? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif Jim [/ QUOTE ] Jim....your description of just adding decals etc seems more what a clone could be....these ones were glued on by Don and the boys! . Original owner too....ain't much closer you can get here in '06? . Welcome to the dark ages!? Lots of good points though and I think Linda and Earl's way of checking the market before they actually make it available is pretty smart! . Linda's description notes some great details too....can't think of too many women I've run across that care about original exaust pipes? I like a combination of a lot of the ideas....clean it up and run it this year, go to the Supercar Reunion and/or other shows and have fun building the exitement of the upcoming sale at BJ or eBay or wherever? . In todays world of reality drama, it would sure be a better TV or magazine story than what's on the tube now? Lastly, what personal tax implications will result in the sale of the car? . Have you discussed these rough market figures w/ your accountant yet? . Best do this before agreeing on anything as you may net more after tax dough by waiting for retirement....or by selling it to Marlin cheap??? Good luck whatever you do and thanks for sharing! . It'd be fun to see some history pictures and orig documents copies. ~ Pete |
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Exactly - you know the value (and ET!) of a copo installed LT1 in a Nova https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif
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Marlin, I agree on thinking that a restored Deuce would be in the $150K range. Add the original owner and paperwork and it's that much better.
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Marlin, I agree on thinking that a restored Deuce would be in the $150K range. Add the original owner and paperwork and it's that much better. [/ QUOTE ] Does buying the car from the original owner add value? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif |
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Does buying the car from the original owner add value? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif
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Does buying the car from the original owner add value? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif [/ QUOTE ] To some people it does... [/ QUOTE ] https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif |
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Marlin, how many unrestored cars are there, it seems to me that this car might be a better investment if left alone and just cleaned up. If you restore it, that puts it into the restored pool of cars instead of the probably few unrestored. Your thoughts? You are the man with these cars.
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Investment ? Buy that sucker and beat the crap out of it and if it's holds it's value or increases in value it's icing on the cake ! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif
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Yeah and investment in tires and gasoline...LOL.
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zacly
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Hey Gags...when is yours going to be done? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif
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Did you look at the car...it is NOT an unmolested survivor car from what pics I have see. Low mileage,orig owner yes.
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Yenko Deuce Registry Stats:
Cars Found: 86 -> 4speeds=64 & a/t's=21 Cars Totalled: 11 -> 4speeds= 8 & a/t's= 3 Cars Remaining: 79 -> 4speeds=50 & a/t's=29 Cars in original condition: 42 -> 4speeds=32 & a/t's=10 Cars w/ original owners: 11 -> 4speeds= 7 & a/t's= 3 Cars w/ original drivetrains:28 -> 4speeds=21 & a/t's= 7 |
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Wow, alot more original drivetrain cars than I thought. $110K is a good number IMO.
No I have not seen the car. Just a generalization and finding out how many cars are out there. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif |
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Okay Guys, I know I'm a lady and a bit sensitive but I feel like we're really getting beat up here. Greed?? Gravy?? Did we do something wrong? We're only honest hard working people with a car for sale. Can you blame us for wanting to find a fair price? If it were your car would you just give it away to the first good offer. We aren't saying these offers have not been good. We were really shocked at how high they were. But if you were in our shoes and sold this car for $50,000 this week and found someone who would pay $100,000 the next how would you feel? We're not trying to rip anybody off. We were just trying to find out what the car was worth!!!!We're not crooks as some of you have been implying. It's not like we've had this car for sale for a month or more and were holding out for the GRAVY. As for making the offers public I had no idea how much of a stir that would cause. When we get PMs or phone calls from serious buyers we pretty much have to make them aware of our highest offer. Don't you think word would have gotten out that way? What about people who buy at BJ auction, it's not like that's a big secret. I see posts in here saying "I paid" or "so and so paid" so how much of a secret is it really? If I've caused any hard feelings or offended anyone I'm sorry, that was certainly not my intention. To Rick H, we never said the car was original condition, only said we were original owners. And to the person who is questioning our integrity because the paint color was changed, we simply changed it because we wanted to. It's a simple as that. I was 18 years old when we bought this car and Earl was 23. Who can say why we do some of the dumb things we did? I've learned a lot from this experience. I've learned there are some people out there who wouldn't trust anyone and wish to believe the worst about people. I've also learned there are some gems out there, too. People who are willing to stick up for others and believe the best about them, probably because that's what they would want others to do for them. I truly do apologize if we have caused any hard feelings between anybody. Not much more I can say than that. Linda
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The number of deuces with original drivetrains is higher than most people expect, Linda hinted at the reason why. Although numerous letters were written by Don Yenko to the NHRA, the deuce was never officially classified as a stock combination. Don attempted to get the car certified as late as August of '71. Those that wished to race the deuce in NHRA were forced to run in MP. There are reports from owners that they simply parked their deuce after they could not run it, one owner was so perturbed at Don that he took the YENKO off of the q/panels - if he had known that the emblems were sticky's he would have removed them as well.
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