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I am normally just a lurker, and love the site, the vehicles and the knowledge you guys provide...very educational...It is too bad people jump to conclusions and spout off about someone they obviously know nothing about...Joe, from what I have read over the last couple years, you do not need to justify yourself to anyone..especially someone who attacks in that manner, imagine, 644 posts gone down the tubes in one fell swoop.....but the beauty in all of this is the fact that you completely layed the smack down with nothing but the facts (and wheels)...and for that he must receive this...
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I first struck up a friendship with Mark M. at SCR7 & it has continued past SCR8.We found we share similar interests in the same Cars,parts and most recently in Oil & Gas collectibles and I respect his opinion,thoughts and friendship today.

I have been considering a steering wheel like this for my 1970 Chevelle.I thought Brandons price was unusually high from the few I saw in the past,but I don't know their exact differences and details,so I asked Brandon some questions about it in the thread itself,then did a search on Ebay under current & completed steering wheels.I found one particular that Brandon had just won identical to this one that he is now selling here.Mark mentioned he had recently purchased a simliar 3 spoke cushioned grip wheel so I asked him if he thought the price was justified and if the two wheels were one in the same.I didn't hear back from Mark until I found out my PM box was totally filled up in an unrelated topic yesterday afternoon.Once I emptied it out, Mark later PM'd me asking for that Ebay auction link again.So I resent it to him.

Am I part of this..YES,as I would like to obtain one,but not this particular steering wheel as I have learned it was not an RPO on the 1970 Chevelle.

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HOLY [censored]....I can't even look at that friggin pic of the guy getting gored....dammit that has GOT to twinge a little....oh man.....oh man...that is nasty...gotta be worse than the pain and itch of hemmorhoidal tissue...YOUCH..

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Paybacks a bit$h----

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Mr.Peters,

I replied to your question no more than FIVE MINUTES after you asked about part numbers and details that it was not an RPO for a chevelle, which I find amazingly hard to believe you didn't already know, since you DO call yourself “Mr70,” and seem to be quick with a reply when anyone ever has a question about RPO codes for a 1970 Chevrolet... I also provided detailed photos of differences, and even went so far as to offer you a 3 spoke wheel that IS correct for your car, an NOS GM piece, and explained this whole thing to you as I’ll quote myself below:
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There are no part numbers stamped or printed on ANY of the GM 3 spoke wheels. (cushion grip, comfort grip, or rosewood) There is a groove molded on the outside, but these wheels DID NOT use the stainless steel trim that the common chevelle wheels had, and the rim of this wheel is much thicker than those wheels. This wheel was not a factory option on Camaro or Chevelle. It was used in 1970 only as the factory wheel in the Buick GSX, in which only about 700 or so were produced, so aside from 70 GSX, this is a Yenko-only piece. It should also be noted that these wheels do not have the molded finger grips on the backside, as the 70 Chevelle comfortgrip wheels had. I do have an NOS GM thin comfort grip wheel with the stainless band on the outside too...is that what you are looking for?? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Here's a comparison pic.



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You say you found my price high, but yet the ONLY one of these currently for sale is an NOS one that a member here has offered at 3500.00. (He himself even posted in this thread and noted my price was good) Aside from his wheel, and the repoduction one that I myself recently won, I know of NO OTHER GSX/Yenko Cushion-Grip wheels being sold in the recent past, or even in the not so recent past.

So while you and Mark have been researching and price shopping these rare wheels...would you care to show any of the rest of us sYc members what other similar wheels you found for sale on ebay otherwise?

I'd feel better taking all this guff over the price of my wheel if there were at least one other documented source to compare mine to. Sounds more like a completed auctions witchhunt to me... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

-JB

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I didn't know they are repopping those wheels...you should send it to me for free and then there won't me any more issues...hurry....I would settle for the standard wheel if you already sold the cushion...

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Are we using formal names now?
Mr.Barr there was no witch hunt by me nor anyone else that I can see.
You did answer my question in a timely manner and I thank you for that.With a FootBall game & pix to download yesterday,I didn't sit on this topic long,I moved on once I read your text reply.Your pic attachment came later on after your text.
I am not familiar with this design of wheel your selling here,as it is unique from the other 3 spoke design that I am familiar with,but even if I did notice your pic at that time,I still would've researched it on Ebays search page.Ebay makes this quite easily accessible to all it's members.It's by no means a secret,and if it is,it shouldn't be.If a seller should try to get top dollar for an item,why can't a buyer know what he possibly paid for it? It can really help the negotiation process for both sides involved.A search on Ebay can answer alot of questions in todays world.It's resourcefulness is nearly second to none.
Yes,I know there was a 3 spoke RPO cushion grip steering wheel available for my Chevelle,and yes I see them here and there,but the design,price and description of your GSX/Yenko wheel was what took me by surprise.Something I did't know much about at the time.There was only that one other completed steering wheel like yours on Ebay,so that is all I had to compare yours to.You got to admit,they do a pretty good reproduction of it today,as even Marlin stated you had to contact him for the differences via email recently.
Marks own reply at the time seemed justified to me based on those two wheels,and I must say,if Frank Magallon said the exact same thing to anyone else on here,he would have not evoked this much attention or outcry...Just my .02
This site is first and foremost about sharing & helping people with their questions and problems dealing with Chevrolet SuperCars,and I think we should never forget that,regardless how big others act,feel or are able to spend on a part or car they desire.I really feel most of us are getting away from this point lately..
If my "mr70" name offends you Brandon,then call me Rick.That is my real name and one I will answer to as well.I am sorry if the "mr70" title rubs you or anyone else the wrong way,that was not my intention when I chose it.I do not claim to know everything about the 1970 Chevrolet Vehicles,I just enjoy learning & collecting about the 1970 Chevrolet Vehicles the most. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

Off topic:
I feel resentment from you & others on here,that I feel run far beyond this topic.Vicious name calling by one close to me for a start.I remember a time when that never was.
I have been accussed recently of possibly being connected,in some small part,to a dispicable act which I had absolutely no knowledge of,or took any part in at all.It was just recenlty brought to my attention while being on this website.I was stunned to hear about it,and it actually answered a question I had about a related odd occurence that happened to me after it.It was only through a telephone call to that person,that I was informed what had actually happened.I feel we cleared the air,and hope we can continue to be friends as we once were.
The website & keyboard can not express the exact emotions being sent with that text,so I think we should all try to remember that.
If anyone has any quarls or misunderstandings with anyone today,pick up your telephone and air it out there,or even better,sit down with them in person.
It really does work. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

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There was only that one other completed steering wheel like yours on Ebay,so that is all I had to compare yours to.You got to admit,they do a pretty good reproduction of it today,as even Marlin stated you had to contact him for the differences via email recently.
Marks own reply at the time seemed justified to me based on those two wheels,and I must say,if Frank Magallon said the exact same thing to anyone else on here,he would have not evoked this much attention or outcry...Just my .02


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Rick,

First off, in the beginning of your post you claim you don't know anything about these steering wheels, and somehow couln't see the detailed pic i posted right within the post along with a detailed explanation, showing the differences between them... heck, you didnt even have to open the attachment, it was IMPOSSIBLE not to see...but somehow you claim you didn't see it... (can everyone else here see that pic on page one without any complications?) Then you go on to claim that the reproductions are good and are hard to distinguish from originals... if you know nothing about them, how do you know anything about distinguishing characteristics of them? In your previous post, you stated that you and your buddy Mark researched the prices of these wheels, indicating that my price was high based on other wheels for sale, but now you are admitting that the only wheel you looked at (or "found" as you say) was the reproduction steering wheel that I had won on ebay. So it WAS a witchhunt to attempt to "bust" me selling that wheel for more than I paid for it, and to portray me as knowingly selling a repro part as original. And I also disagree, and do not believe that anyone here would allow ANYONE else to present an attack on me in the way you had Mark attack me. It was a vicious attack on my personal character. I don't care who said it, be it you, Frank, Belair, Mark, or the man on the moon, the reacton would certianly have been the same. The sheer fact you see nothing wrong with what he accused me of, and what was said, and think it "shouldn't have caused such an outcry" lets me know exactly how involved you were with what mark posted for you. I'm just glad others got a chance to see the type of stuff you do behind the scenes in an effort to damage others reputations. Is it jealousy? Is it spite? I don't know what your problem is, but I think what you did was totally uncalled for and I don't buy into your excuses. I have replied to every question you or anyone else has asked, provided detailed photos, and have been upfront and honest from the start. I don't have to hide behind someone elses posts... Where is your buddy Mark anyhow? Is it your turn to do the speaking now? He wanted his proof prior to making any apology and I think excessive proof has already been posted. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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Rick,

If you expect your story of "research" and ignorance of the fat grip wheels to hold water...IMO you're insulting the intelligence of the rest of the members who frequent here.

You said it yourself,
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There was only that one other completed steering wheel like yours on Ebay,so that is all I had to compare yours to.

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You also added...
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If a seller should try to get top dollar for an item, why can't a buyer know what he possibly paid for it?

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Sounds to me like this is the real issue here. You thought you had someone busted by searching his completed auctions like you commonly do as part of your ongoing "research" but unfortunately your facts weren't straight...and Mark made a fool of himself for you.

The funny thing is I recall you extending a hand to myself and my brother at a recent SCR, yet you continue to do these types of things behind these scenes and play dumb to try to get yourself out of it.

The rest of the members here are smart enough to see what's going on for themselves. No need to extend the hand next time.
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mr70,
I see a lot of skirting and glazing over in your last couple posts for your part in this despicable attempt to assassinate Joe's reputation and character, but for all your rhetorical dancing...it lacks those two little words. This thread has nearly 1400 views within 48 hours, so I recommend you think your next post over very carefully if you truly prefer resolve.

FWIW, in the way of comparables for original used cushion grip wheels...I was offered far more for mine at SCR8 than Joe is asking for this one.

SS

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IF I were interested in such a wheel, and IF I had checked completed auctions to see if it had recently been acquired, and IF I suspected it MIGHT BE A REPOP PART, it is very simple what I would do next. Email the seller PRIVATELY. Ask some questions.

Last year I was selling an NOS oil pan on ebay. A scum bag on ebay contacted one of my bidders, who happens to frequent this site, and told him it was a repop. That bidder contacted me PRIVATELY to see what was going on.

All of this could have been avoided. Some accusations you just don't make in public.

Just my opinion.

Lynn

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Marks own reply at the time seemed justified to me based on those two wheels,and I must say,if Frank Magallon said the exact same thing to anyone else on here,he would have not evoked this much attention or outcry...Just my .02


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Heres my .02 cents Rick. I think that you got the reaction that you did from so many people because those people and a lot silent people are sick of you and your crap. You have burned MANY brides behind the scenes that I am sure that you are aware of. Maybe it's about time you take your show of goofy pictures and Chevrolet RPO codes "On the Move"

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Brandon
I have seen more of the 3 spoke "comfort grip" wheel" with the groove & trim around the perimeter.
I am not familiar at all with this 3 spoke "cushion grip" steering wheel you are selling right here now.That is why I said I don't know anything about these wheels.I wanted to see what Ebay had for pictures & details because it's a good research tool.Where else am I to look?
The reproduction wheel in that ended auctioned looks like the exact same wheel here,I asked Mark for his opinion and that was the end of it..no response from him until I read his reply here much later on.I am sorry for that.The wheel is worth every penny you are asking,but I will not buy it because it is not correct for my car,as well as out of my price range.
I didn't tell my friend Mark in anyway what to say or,nor does he speak for me in anyway.I can only guess at why he typed what he did,because the completed ebay 400.00 wheel looks identical to the wheel you are selling here now.Again,that is a guess on my part only,as I do not know how to distiguish an original from a repop,thus the reason I asked Mark if he did.

"In your previous post, you stated that you and your buddy Mark researched the prices of these wheels"
I did not say that..show me where I did..this is a false quote.I just asked Mark for his opinion.

"indicating that my price was high based on other wheels for sale"..Yes Brandon,but I was using the 3 spoke "comfort grip" wheels I saw in the past as reference.That's not a fair comparison now is it.I searched for a non perimeter trim wheel,non finger grip wheel on Ebay and that 400.00 wheel was the only one I saw to compare it to.
Again there is No witch hunt here and Mark posted nothing for me.I don't do that to my friends,nor do they ask it of me.I would hope no one does that on here either.
And I said if it was anyone else,it "wouldn't" have brought such an outcry,I didn't say it "shouldn't".I totally understand why it should and rightfully so.
Please stop with the Paranoic accusations,and you do reply to all questions presented to you on this site.
I agree you have presented ample proof.

Erik
Show me where else I can find a Fatgrip wheel to compare this wheel too if I wanted too? Ebay is the only place that I know of.SCR9 would be a good place,but I can't wait 9 months.Again,I use the search function for anything I would like to purchase,such as the "comfort grip" wheel which is correct for my car.
Erik..I resent your last remarks and that was a cheap shot!

Frank
I ask that you tell me of any examples of what you just referred to.
That was out of line and uncalled for.
You don't take advantage of this thread to spread rumors.
You pick up the phone and dial my number,or I will yours.

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Rick, Here is my question, if you knew the cushion grip wheel was not correct for your car, (perhaps by reading the post i made as a direct answer to your question 5 minutes after you asked it?) then why go through the trouble of looking up the value of it, and sending links and info to your friend Mark? Simple... because you wanted to try to bust me in a lie, its so obvious there isn't a need to even argue about it, as you just dig your hole deeper IMO. I received NO e mails, and NO PMs, and no calls from you OR your buddy Mark before or after you made your assumptions and accusations, so i don't know what this stuff is you posted about talking to people in person or calling, I guess thats only when its YOU who's being called to the carpet. When its someone else, its OK to just go on a hunch and talk behind their backs with your friends, making claims that are totally and 100% unfounded and false.


By the way, I prefer to be called Joe instead of Brandon, but it really doesn't bother me either way, however alot of my friends know me as Brandon, which is why I prefer you use Joe.

Oh, and also, if you would have used the search feature on THIS site, you could have found a steering wheel very similar to this one that i had offered for sale at 1200.00 dollars some 2 or 3 years ago on this very site, as well at the one Earl had listed recently for 3500.00...While mine didn;t sell as a result of the yenko.net ad, it did sell in Carlisle for my full asking price, and I'm sure a few members here saw it there. I can also easily pull up several threads in regards to these wheels, in which it is thoroughly explained what they are, and what they are correct for. I still don't buy this story that you had no idea that this wheel wasn't right for your car, and that you were initially interested in buying it from me. Any questions you may have had were cleared up in the first 5 minutes of the thread, complete with detailed photos, so there's no sense in pretending you didn't know. I don't know how much more clear i could have been in my reply to you where i stated point blank that it was not correct for your car.

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Speaking of Mark, where has he disappeared to? Cat eat his keyboard? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

IMO, just another hit and run sladerous attack, with no merit. Time for Mark to apoligize to Joe.

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Frank
I ask that you tell me of any examples of what you just referred to.
That was out of line and uncalled for.
You don't take advantage of this thread to spread rumors.
You pick up the phone and dial my number,or I will yours.


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Rick what I speak of are truths and not rumors. I won't embarass you any further than you already have been nor will I bring other peoples problems with you that I know about into this forum.

And DO NOT call me. I have nothing to talk to you about.

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Rick,

You’re talking in circles here…first you say “I thought Brandon’s price was unusually high from the few I saw in the past.” But then you add:

Erik
Show me where else I can find a Fatgrip wheel to compare this wheel too if I wanted too? Ebay is the only place that I know of.SCR9 would be a good place,but I can't wait 9 months.Again,I use the search function for anything I would like to purchase,such as the "comfort grip" wheel which is correct for my car.
Erik..I resent your last remarks and that was a cheap shot!

I think you’ve proven my point exactly...your research on these fat grip wheels began about ten minutes after my brother listed one for sale at a price you weren't happy with, you searched his completed auctions and only his completed auctions for the wheel in question and no other wheels, and thought you made a discovery that the wheel was being sold at a significant markup, you told you buddy Mark and he acted on your findings by making an off hand post to discredit my brother Joe or Brandon or CamaroJoe whatever you want to call him.

You've said yourself it's obviously not a fair to compare the value of this UNIQUE Yenko/GSX only fat grip wheel to the much more common Chevelle “comfort grip” wheel, which is what you're trying to say is all you're guilty of. But to suggest that you felt the wheel listed here and the ebay wheel were one in the same is to admit to calling my brother Joe a liar, as his was CLEARLY listed as a used GM wheel, and the ebay one was not.

Are we supposed to think you didn't know the difference between the 2 types of wheels when you discussed the price with your good friend Mark, or that you became sincerely interested in researching these fat grip wheels this week?

FYI there were several of these "Fat Grip" wheels in attendance at SCR 7 & 8, both in legit Yenko cars and including a loose one that was on display with it's original NOS packaging at my brother's memorabilia table, but you didn't check it out or inquire about it because apparently we’re to believe you feel the best way to do research on these wheels is by using a search of ebay's completed auctions?

It’s either that or you knew it wasn’t a Chevelle part and never needed an excuse to explain away your “researching” it on ebay’s completed auctions until something like this little misguided mudslinging attempt blew up in you and your buddy Mark’s faces.

Good story, but I’m not buying it…I don’t think too many others here are either. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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Heres my .02 cents Rick. I think that you got the reaction that you did from so many people because those people and a lot silent people are sick of you and your crap. You have burned MANY bridges behind the scenes that I am sure that you are aware of. Maybe it's about time you take your show of goofy pictures and Chevrolet RPO codes "On the Move"

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I'll drink to that.
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This topic is getting OLD, your points have been made I think we can move on NOW. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif
The "MOF"

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Speaking of Mark, where has he disappeared to? Cat eat his keyboard? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

IMO, just another hit and run sladerous attack, with no merit. Time for Mark to apoligize to Joe.

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Sorry I couldn't post a reply until now because I have a real job and cant get to a computer as often as I wish. As for an apoligy?? Never!!! I wouldn't put it past him to sell a repop wheel to someone. Its kinda funny that Marlin posted that Joe called him and asked him how to tell the difference between the two??? Why do you think he did this??? I can really care less if you sell the wheel or not. I look at it this way, this is supposed to be a site that helps out others instead of making a huge return on your investments. I dont think you paid $1600.00 for that wheel so why are you asking so much for it??? You say these guys are you friends?? Where I come from you earn friends by doing things or getting them something and not trying to make a buck off them. If these people were your so called friends then sell the wheel for what you have in it. This whole hobby has gotten out of hand with the prices of cars and parts. I know I have sold a few things to people on here and never sold them for anything over what I paid, thats a buddy thing I guess and I can go to sleep at night with a clear head. I think you and your brother can care less about anybody here and only want to help yourself buy selling things at a much higher price then you get it for. I can see if you sell it on ebay and the buyer be where, but SYC should be a place where you dont try to run a business to fatten your pockets, but more a place to help out friends. Oh by the way speaking of ebay, why do you not post your bidders name??? Do you and your brother pump up the bids??? Just a thought. Mark

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I don't know if this is a kiss and make up kind of discussion, but you fellas are carrying this past the point of no return----------Sorry to see it https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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"I can really care less if you sell the wheel or not."

Hmm...seems like you and a friend went to an awful lot of trouble if you could care less. This was an obvious preplanned attack on my character...nothing more nothing less.

"Oh by the way speaking of ebay, why do you not post your bidders name???"

As it's been THOROUGHLY been discussed in the past...do a search on THIS site instead of ebay and you will be surprised at what you can learn. I use private auctions because to me, it seems like the smart thing to do. It protects me and my bidders from this sort of nebby BS, when the likes of yourself and Peters put your noses where they don't belong.

I make it no secret as to what I buy and sell on ebay, my buyer/seller name is camarojoe, same as I've used here for years. My positive feedback rating of 837 speaks for itself, and is increasing daily. I have been buying and selling on ebay since July 1 1998, which is years longer than many even knew ebay existed. (You can add that info to your notebook too if you'd like.)

But if that's not enough, as Mr70 has pointed out, it's easy enough to do a search of any ebay bidder ID to see what they've been buying or selling in the recent past, as I'm sure you're well aware. If you or anyone else has a problem with any of my prior auctions or any of the bids, they simply shouldn't bid on my items...and for all my bidders who's names remain anonymous, they probably don't even realize how lucky they are to be protected from the obvious character assassination attempts put together by yourself and Rick.

I've both sold and traded numerous items to literally dozens of sYc members both via ebay and through the site directly. I have donated to the syc for my membership, and am always thankful to the site for allowing me to post the few for sale ads i do post here. I don't see anyone other than yourself coming out to bash me here, or calling me an enemy of the hobby. Apparently you've missed the large entirely "not for sale" display I drag across the country every year for the past 7 years. To suggest that I am strictly in this hobby for money, or to "take advantage" of this site's members seems laughable to me.

Apparently your research of my ebay buying and selling has allowed you take into question my "friendship" status to the hobby, and I feel that here at the sYc I am among many...but I don't see too many coming to your defense. I think I've presented the facts, posted pics, answered questions, and have been more than understanding here. I hope the intelligent will make their own decision...as my brother said earlier today, let's just agree to disagree and put this to rest.


Go Steelers.

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Jeez...can I go to work ? Hey Charley...I thought you were going to shut this down this morning..no pay raise for you...are you guys done ? I thought so....PM each other your cell phone numbers...It's over...after seeing that guy get gored there really wasn't much else to say. Maybe this can be a reminder to everyone to think before they type....I'm locking this for good...and i am going to delete the whole stupid thread soon. Camarojoe...re-post your for sale ad...the real wheel is resonable priced and I think it should be reposted...and you should give me a 70 standard wheel because I am a nice guy. You guys are valuable and have good input here...so shut up. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif