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Ed,

GOOD JOB!

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What are the dates of the magazine?

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Tom, I started typing this before all of the above pictures showing car 1 and car 2 made things even more confusing. So bear with me.

First thank you for making another post. I want you to look at the photo of the original Dichk Harrell car the body up that shows the bottom of the drivers side rocker panel and the interior tin work, with someone standing next to it. This car in this above picture shows the rocker panels ending about 2-1/2" below the drivers door just like on EVERY picture that has been posted of the original Dick Harrell funny car. Your rocker panels wrap under your car and a full Camaro rocker panel like USA1 posted. To say that yours are different because of the added fiberglass and aluminum, that is an incorrect statement. Those rockers that are on your car are were made in the mold of the car and were have not been added after the fact. The picture that USA1 posted showing the passenger side rocker proves that, inside and out.

The pictures I have seen that USA1 posted of your windows and trim, you have never done any kind of major repair work around them. Those are in MINT shape, especially on the inside, and are from the original mold. Also there has never been any windows glassed in from the back side like the original car from the pictures shown. There may have been some areas slightly repaired but I cannot see them in any of his pictures shown. If there are some areas repaired on your car then post some pictures showing the repair. There is nothing wrong with repair work done to these old cars as they were fiberglass. Also I have looked at Matt’s car and observed the windows as to how they were glassed in and I do not see any signs of them pulling apart of loosening up from the years of drag racing. Now if your body is only attached to the chassis at the rear, then you have a major problem with your car. Every funny car I have seen all have pivot points at the rear (except a few Palamedes bodies) and they have latches at the front to keep the body from flying up during a run. One thing, I have never seen a chassis take off and the body stay still. That must a cartoon type of some sort, like the horse taking off so quick the rider and saddle stay still…………………….

As for the rear spoiler being added to you car, you are right, all Camaro funny cars had the spoiler added to the rear after the car was pulled from the mold. Now I have over 20+ years with mold making and design and for someone to make a mold from a car with the spoiler already molded on it would be very difficult and expensive. To keep from "locking" the plug in the mold (for novices that is the part that the mold is being pulled from is called a “plug”) you would have to have a four piece (or more) mold in the rear of the car alone. This is not cost effective as without the spoiler the mold for the entire body could be made with a 4 piece or less mold. Even the 1969 Dick Harrell funny car has the rear spoiler added to it and then "molded" or slicked in.

I have always played the middle ground between your site and others, sometimes being on your side and sometimes on theirs. You are trying to make a good case that there were two 68 funny cars used by Dick and you are right: his car plus the Jim Kirby car, but he only owned one 68 Camaro funny car. There are too many people that can back this statement up and they are not the ones involved in this argument. You need to be the leader of this site and step up and show everyone pictures of your car as you found it(no matter what kind of shape it was in nor how much repair work has been done)and some during the restoration showing why you think you have a Dick Harrell car. Also I noticed that Valerie had posted pictures of her car on her website in the “as found” condition and it looks kind of rough. I feel if you do the same it can help end the arguments on both sides and get everyone back to talking about other things, like Christmas presents, check out one of mine!!!! Thanks to Santa for that one................RatPack...............

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Good thing you read all those old magazines Ed. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Tom& Ed thanks for laying your case out for all to see. I am sure there will be more questions, but you do make a strong two car argument. And as I stated previously, funnycars by their nature change dramatically from one season to the next...let alone 36 year of pure abuse.
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You need to be the leader of this site and step up and show everyone pictures of your car as you found it(no matter what kind of shape it was in nor how much repair work has been done)and some during the restoration showing why you think you have a Dick Harrell car.

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This is a pretty weird statement...he IS the leader of this CLUB but for my 2 cents he really doesn't have to keep you happy...you have thrown around a lot of BS here Ratpack....coyly saying it may be a historical southern car...making references to people who know there were only 1 car but not naming anyone and since when did you become a funny car expert ?.....lets be realistic here..it's a funny car that was a POS and has probably been to 14 different hands and messed with each time...measuring magazine pics is pretty stupid. Just what is your whole interest in this anyway...tell me its just your historical interest right ? Lets face it..you , Val, Pulde or Timmy wouldn't know what the real Harrell car looked like if it walked up and bit them in the ass...most people wouldn't, myself included. All you can go by is what you can dig up and what people "who were there" tell you..Look at what happened when Pudle made the call on the Kirby car...he said it will never be a real Harrell car back then...they all peed on themselves and fawned over Toms car... now all of a sudden a message from the spirits or something and the [censored] hits the fan. Looks pretty obvious doesn't it ? If it were my car I would have the sandpaper out already whether it was Dicks car or not. All this really does is give people a chance to spank their little chubby because they think they finally are creating havoc with their arch enemy Tom ...hey maybe they want to steal the Gibb name and license the Harrell name and stop all the evil websites from using those name without paying https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif. This is a joke...these are cars and personal vendettas are for kids...but I guess if YOU have a "leader" that has absolutely nothing else to do but worry about how he can destroy the SYC it will go on forever...why don't people just tell him to screw off ? Tom...you guys can delete this...or fire me or whatever...this is just too much of a laugh for me...these are some strange birds and for me to try and be objective and try to pretend this is all about the funny car would be an insult to my intelligence....

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Breath Bob, breath, in and out, in and out, that's it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Thats why I like 409's

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Tom...you guys can delete this...or fire me or whatever

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Guess a promotion to senior moderator is in order, FIRE YOU HELL NO!!!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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There are a lot of people that feel the same way you do Bob, but...
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This hobby is about havin fun with your buddies and true enthusiast. Lets focus what make this site great the PEOPLE and our CARS.

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Bob, first off this is nothing personal towards Tom or anyone else on this site but some are trying to make it personal. As for my interest in funny cars, I have had one since 1970 after watching Dick, Don Prudhomme, Tom McEwen, and others racing at Bristol. I have been watching the posts on the other website and when you have an outsider, whether posting here or there, comes on and shows obvious evidence that a car is bogus then one has to wonder why it wasn't caught during the restoration. I have never been an expert on funny cars but I am an expert when it comes to researching a topic, ask Kim Howie https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif. I made a post stating something and then he came back and challenged it. Then what happened HE and I found out the truth talking on the phone and came to the same conclusions. We were both wrong, and both were right in the end.

I just read on the other site that Bob Gibson, who IS a funny car expert, has just stated what everyone wanted to know in the first place: Tom's car is not a Dick Harrell car and in fact it is the Huston Platt Dixie Twister. Congrats Tom!!! A "Southern" drag car found!!!.............RatPack....................

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You need to be the leader of this site and step up and show everyone pictures of your car as you found it(no matter what kind of shape it was in nor how much repair work has been done)and some during the restoration showing why you think you have a Dick Harrell car.

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This is a pretty weird statement...he IS the leader of this CLUB but for my 2 cents he really doesn't have to keep you happy...you have thrown around a lot of BS here Ratpack....coyly saying it may be a historical southern car...making references to people who know there were only 1 car but not naming anyone and since when did you become a funny car expert ?.....lets be realistic here..it's a funny car that was a POS and has probably been to 14 different hands and messed with each time...measuring magazine pics is pretty stupid. Just what is your whole interest in this anyway...tell me its just your historical interest right ? Lets face it..you , Val, Pulde or Timmy wouldn't know what the real Harrell car looked like if it walked up and bit them in the ass...most people wouldn't, myself included. All you can go by is what you can dig up and what people "who were there" tell you..Look at what happened when Pudle made the call on the Kirby car...he said it will never be a real Harrell car back then...they all peed on themselves and fawned over Toms car... now all of a sudden a message from the spirits or something and the [censored] hits the fan. Looks pretty obvious doesn't it ? If it were my car I would have the sandpaper out already whether it was Dicks car or not. All this really does is give people a chance to spank their little chubby because they think they finally are creating havoc with their arch enemy Tom ...hey maybe they want to steal the Gibb name and license the Harrell name and stop all the evil websites from using those name without paying https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif. This is a joke...these are cars and personal vendettas are for kids...but I guess if YOU have a "leader" that has absolutely nothing else to do but worry about how he can destroy the SYC it will go on forever...why don't people just tell him to screw off ? Tom...you guys can delete this...or fire me or whatever...this is just too much of a laugh for me...these are some strange birds and for me to try and be objective and try to pretend this is all about the funny car would be an insult to my intelligence....

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Very well said Bob. I was going to write-up something just like it earlier today, but you have chosen the right words, and it is well written. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

I commend Tom for restoring his 68 DH Camaro Funny Car, and let all of us who attended SCR8, see it, and watch it tear up the 1/4 mile. I had the chance to talk to Tom a couple of times, and I tell you, he is a great guy, and I feel privileged that I had a chance to see this remarkable piece of DH history. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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You could take that last statement and put it in your eye and you wouldn't feel it RP...I have no idea who Mr Gibson but I am sure he is well respected. So now Tom has another expert telling him what the car is !!!! I would have thought the guy that worked on it would know more than anyone but what do I know..I'm just a Global Moderator..bottom line RP...what I said above is the real deal and you know it , I know it...and a LOT of other people around here know it too...when the behind the scenes stuff gets exposed people see what's going on and will just continue to ignore them and treat them for what they are...when cars take on a personal hatred level for people and websites it's just weird...thats not what this site is all about..I consider very many of the people here friends...its not life or death ..its cars and a website..most people never new of the trademark stuff and now they do..it's sick...and I think we would rather see each others cars and talk about supercars and other fun stuff...until your people figure out a way to infiltrate and cause a stir...your stirs don't last long...we move on and forget about you. Happy New Year. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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It sure looks like the same car to me.........Stick a Fork in it..........LOL......I'm walking in Bob's footsteps


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LOL.....Looks like a lot of "Lawyereze"...........

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This has gotten as stupid as ever. I personally hope the car is not a Harrell car. Over about the past year the folks at Harrell and Rabbit keep mentioning something stupid like "The train is coming". Is this the train ? I figured it was trying to steal the Gibb name and trademarking the Harrell name in a effort to control anyone having a Gibb or Harrell car. The train crap was about Toms funny car ? Greg..It is amazing how hindsight is always 20-20 in how something should be done. The car was sold to Tom with a reciept as a Dick Harrell car. The experts claim that there was only one 68 car but Tom has posted pics of what appears to be a second car. It is easy to nitpick it to death after the fact but I can also see how from the info Tom had he represented it as a Harrell car.
I know Tom and personally don't believe he would try to fake the car if he knew it wasn't one. If it is the Huston Platt car, I'm sure that will be OK also.To think this is some big conspirecy by Tom to fake a Harrell is just stupid. The argument that Tom is profiting off this car is silly. Do you think Tom charges to show the car at Vettefest, York, Laharpe etc ? He ran this website and put on the Reunion for years at a loss. Who has done more to promote the Dick Harrell name than Tom Clary and Bill Porterfield ? Val gets angry at Porterfield for selling T shirts mugs etc with the Harrell name on it and wants a fee. Porterfield takes the name off the car. Is that good for the Dick Harrell name ? This is fighting over fuckying T-shirt money! Does anyone really think Val was trying to trademark the Gibb name just so she could use it on her car ? Picture this. If Val gets control of the Gibb name. Does Helen have to get Vals permission to use the Fred Gibb logo on shirts hats,business cards etc ? Does the Fred Gibb Memorial show need Vals permission and will she charge a fee ? The Rabbits are starting a fund to help Val in her quest to win her court case against Dick Harrells sister? Are the Rabbits then going to support her financially in her quest for the Fred Gibb name ? If they are so set on honoring the memory of Dick Harrell why paint the 02 car in Pulde Warbird colors ? This is about trying to make money and trying to shut down what we do with the SYC. I am personally so very sick of the antics that I can no longer stand anything Dick Harrell related. Nice way for the memories to live on.
The Harrell - Hall suit will probably be decided by the courts. My personal opinion is The Halls have been using the Dick Harrell name since the 70's and did it with Dicks blessing. Mrs Hall is Dicks sister. Do your homework before crucifying the Halls for trying to stop Val.
The biggest crime of all is trying to Trademark the Fred Gibb name. Helen doesn't deserve to be put through this kind of crap.

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I agree 100% w/all that has just been said.
At work we play a game.
Anytime the DHarrell or Rabbit site mentions this infamous "train coming" innuendo..you do a shot.
Everytime greg2001LS6 goes off on an unorthodox tangent about someone...you do two shots.
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Dammit...I told myself and a few others that I wouldn't post on this topic...but I'm going to anyways...contrary to my own better judgement.

First of all, I really don't care one way or the other whether or not Tom has the DH funny car...it's just a MATERIAL thing. There are WAY more important things in life to be concerned with...and focusing all ones energy on negative things is idiotic.


Secondly, I have made a lot of friends on this site...and that's why I keep coming back every day to check in...These guys are my "extended family" across these great United States https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif They are the reason that I come back every day.



Thirdly...from what I've read on the other sites...I don't know how I can be a member of this site...as I'm not one of their so called "members of the flock...who has a super car...and has the secret handshake or whatever" I'm just a guy who happened to stumble onto a cool site and talk shop with a bunch of cool people. Sure, I like to post pictures from Pavillions and other car shows...and I hope that every one likes them...that's why I do it.



I do check the other sites heck I even signed up on the DH site this past March...though I've never posted there. There's some cool information there and on other sites, too.

The one thing that I like about this site is that when BS starts to happen...the mods nip it in the bud right away...I'm not saying that it doesn't happen here...but there's alot less of it happening now...Why? It serves no useful purpose...

Like a person on the other site said today...it's amazing what's said online...when people get behind the protection of their computers. Funny, I said that to a few members of this site via PM the other day.

I look forward to seeing everyone at Barrett Jackson which is coming up really quickly! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I look forward to seeing everyone at Barrett Jackson which is coming up really quickly! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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and has the secret handshake or whatever"

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No worries Ken...my pockets are empty anyways...

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I guess I write this both alittle PO'd and alittle in awe with this whole topic. You guys have demonstrate at least to me you could care less about serious research and the "truth" whatever path it takes with this car...

This car was bought as THE DH car, it will always be THE DH car, not because research or serious study said it is...but because some guy wrote on a piece of paper it is and someone bought it that way and happens to be your buddy and the owner of this website..and you guys think that is enough and that warrants a 100% definitve statement that it is THE 1968 DH funnycar..no matter what credible evidence there might be out there casting doubt..So it really never matters as it is THE 1968 DH car..just because it is


I wonder if by your post and your attitudes about seriosu research you thought far enough to see the potential ramifcations... You guys just opened up a qaugmire with respect to ANY Chevrolet "supercar" where a VIN isn't known to be historical fact..everything really except ZL1's....your COPO's, SSL78's, Z's as now all it takes is a "it must be one because I bought it that way" or "someone said it was" and as long as it looks relatively close to what that particular car should how can you say it isn't...After all if you will validate with 100% certainity such a historical piece as the DH FC with the same info and no real research then a relatively common Z or a COPO is a piece of cake...You guys did it now live with it..

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Greg, All I said is that I don't care whether it is or it isn't. There are WAY more important things in life to worry about...at least for me.

I've read all of the posts on both of the sites...and most of the posts deal with negative comments that have nothing to do with the subject at hand...par for the course.

Will anyone ever be 100% sure of what the car is or isn't? I don't think so...as I don't think that you're a FC expert...and I am certainly not, nor ever will be. One thing is for sure... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/stupid.gif

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Whatever you say Greg...you really come up with some doozies sometimes. It's like from Mars or something.

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I agree with Charley. He actually makes the most sense of this whole thing.

Greg, I understand your desire to make this clear cut. As an objective observer that last post actually offends me and I have NO intrest in the DH FC other than its cool. But to slam ALL of us because of this issue is WAY not cool.

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I agree 100% w/all that has just been said.
At work we play a game.
Anytime the DHarrell or Rabbit site mentions this infamous "train coming" innuendo..you do a shot.
Everytime greg2001LS6 goes off on an unorthodox tangent about someone...you do two shots.
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ok.......back to the damn car... (btw I've been playing the drinking game and I am FACED https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif)

Dixie Twister car... Here you go.

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DT 2

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DT 3

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DT 4

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Greg, you have just about offended everyone on this site with your last statement. I remember the last time you stirred the pot on the chevelle site regarding the LS6 registry and alienated everyone there as well. Give it a rest, and don't put words in our mouths with your self serving preaching.

Give me a double shot also...

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last one. If you have a copy of 10/67 SS&DI. There are what looks like some decent detailed pics of the car. Here is a crappy pic from Ebay.

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Thats all I got.. Look at the pics.. Draw your own conclusions. Happy Fu#&ing New Year!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif
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....I just read on the other site that Bob Gibson, who IS a funny car expert, has just stated what everyone wanted to know in the first place: Tom's car is not a Dick Harrell car and in fact it is the Huston Platt Dixie Twister. Congrats Tom!!! A "Southern" drag car found!!!.............RatPack....................

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Kind of interesting you mention Bob Gibson. The very first show we had the car at was the Hot Rod Reunion in Bowling Green, KY, parked in the American Racing Wheel booth, a guest of who else? Yep, Bob's. He even gave us a set of center caps for the rear wheels, and put a deal together for me to buy a set of headers from the '69 car. The 3rd show was Etown, where Bob was at as well. No time did he ever mention to Mo or I that he saw issues with the car.

And I have heard that Dave Libby has denounced the car as well. He too has spent considerable time with the car, and until now, never questioned the car's heritage, at least to Mo or I.

To the point now, hard to know who and/or what to believe when even the "experts" cannot cannot make up their minds about what is real and what is not? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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FYI.. http://forums.hotrod.com/ubbthreads/...p;page=0#87336

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