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Charley, when will they be done with yours? I still like the Mule better! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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I'd much rather have El Mule, too. This thing is way too pimped for me. I'd like to see the toned down version, though... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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I am with you on that Jeff, would love to see the one that looks more like a original 69 Phase III camaro, its still hard to beat the Mule, or Stuart Adams Aluminator!

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Can't argue with you about what a great car the Mule is--------------But---pimped up ??--They pushed the ideas envelope --But far from pimped up--

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Wild and exotic-certainly not pimped up; just the way they were back then https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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Just back in from SEMA. All I can say is WOW. In true Motion style, totally cutting edge and simply blowing away anything else that is being built out there. If anyone were to have the opportunity to see this car in person as I and many others just did, the last thing out of their mouth would be "pimped out". Some amazing sleek body mods (all done in pure metal), a great stance, all of today's technology and a true Motion attitude. Afterall, that is what Joel's cars have always been about. Come on, I own two of his craziest creations that regularly get ripped on this board. He has never been about doing the norm. That is what made Motion great.

Which brings me to my next point. How dare anyone out there question Joel's use of his rightfully owned names?? I own both "Baldwin Motion" and "Motion" cars and quite frankly I don't give a S#*! where the car came from as long as Joel had his hand in making the car. I think it is lunacy to think that a car is worth more because it was sold by a particular dealership. Who cares?? The magic was done after the fact. The truth be known many chassis that Joel modified were used and not from Baldwin. Why not, he was going to change them completely anyway. I think it is way cool that "Baldwin Motion" is back. A tremendous boost to our hobby and everyone who owns these cars. We all will benefit by seeing our cars back in the limelight.

CONGRATUATIONS MR. MOTION FOR TAKING GM'S SEMA CAR OF THE SHOW AWARD!

Dan

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CONGRATUATIONS MR. MOTION FOR TAKING GM'S SEMA CAR OF THE SHOW AWARD!-------- https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

I wouldn't paint the black grill either--It does look sinister-------------

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It could be the pictures that don't give as good of a view of the car as being there in person, but this car is way over the top for me(and I was thinking pimped out as well). The rear wheels look too big with not enough profile like mentioned. The engine is cool as heck, but I would rather have the MULE or something toned down a lot more. But if they can sell them for $427K then it doesn't matter what us observers think. But you have to give Joel a https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif for making it happen.

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Funny https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif------I thought we were just viewing the Debut of a Motion Camaro reintroduced to the public with updated engineering and concepts ------If you feel some of the concepts were over the top that's OK--I'm not a big fan of the oversized mags todays trend seem to dictate----But to say pimped out is a bit harsh and uncalled for.-------- If that's the case---I guess all dealer cars and factory cars with graphics- stripes-scoops --hood tachs--spoilers etc. were pimped out---------I don't think they were---They were signs of the times--As this New Motion Camaro is---

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This is exactly what guys are building today....It IS the Mule....Pro Touring gone wild !! the cleanliness of the build is what makes it so cool...

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Joe is absolutely, positively right on the money. Joel is doing the exact same thing he did 35 years ago. Only the technology that he has available to him has changed, not the incentive or the goal.
What do any of you own that you'd like to line up at a stop light against that car???????
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Funny https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif------I thought we were just viewing the Debut of a Motion Camaro reintroduced to the public with updated engineering and concepts ------If you feel some of the concepts were over the top that's OK--I'm not a big fan of the oversized mags todays trend seem to dictate----But to say pimped out is a bit harsh and uncalled for.-------- If that's the case---I guess all dealer cars and factory cars with graphics- stripes-scoops --hood tachs--spoilers etc. were pimped out---------I don't think they were---They were signs of the times--As this New Motion Camaro is---

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Yep...you're right Joe! This car looks great...and I'm sure that it'll haul a$$, too. I'm thinking that back in the late 60's when the Baldwin Motion cars came out...that a lot of people thought that those cars were over the top, too...crazy paint...extremely hot rodded engines...

WOW...same as now...Good post Joe! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Watching the highlights of the past BJ Palm Beach auction last night, speed channel had highlights of the SEMA show as teasers for the upcoming SEMA highlight show airing the begining of Dec, well they showed the unvailing of the Motion car and a few tidbits of it, they were very pumped about it.

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No offense meant on the "pimped" comment; I guess that's what I get for using vernacular. I suppose what I meant was "loud", "extreme", "big wheeled", etc. To me anyway, a lot of the styling is pretty similar to Foose and other guys doing what I'd call "modernising". I just don't like it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

I appreciate what the Motion guys do, but I tend to like their "more subtle on the outside" projects like Suydam's dusk blue Camaro or Hassett's '68 L-88 car, that you'd have to look twice at to know what you're dealing with. I think that's why I like the original Harrell cars, like Sandlin's Chevelle (Joe Swezey's ex) and Joe's current Camaro or the Tommy K/Ray M 427 Novas. Guess that's why I own sleepers with no stripes...

I think the number of choices available is part of what makes the hobby so cool. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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When I first got my car in the summer of '69 I was riding by my friends house,saw him outside and stopped to BS --got out to talk and left the engine running--rumbling and tappets clickin away--A old guy across the street wiping down his old Desoto --Comes across looks at the car and yells over the engine noise--"Is this one of those experimental cars"---- All those cars you just mentioned above were "loud and extreme etc" back in the day stripes or no stripes---including mine--- And sleepers were just sleepers when the engine was off -- ----------Wild and crazy kids---We were called other vernacular terms back then----------"Modernizing does put a strain on my Musclecar roots--but so does gasoline prices---------

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I think it is lunacy to think that a car is worth more because it was sold by a particular dealership. Who cares?? The magic was done after the fact.

[/ QUOTE ]Actually no, with a true Baldwin-Motion car the "magic" was done before it was sold to the first owner, which is part of what makes a lot of people seem to value or covet these cars more than say just a "Motion prepared" car. Lots of guys took their cars to Motion for work, or purchased parts from Motion to install themselves, but a genuine sold new in full Motion trim car is a horse of a different color IMO. Not too many folks had the means or cajones to walk in and buy one of the pre-built Baldwin-Motion beasts off the showroom floor and then try to drive it regularly on the street. It's that simple idea of being able to walk in a regular dealership as a regular nobody and go from "zero to hero" if you had the coin to make it happen. It's akin to being able to buy a competitive Pro-Stock car at your local Chevy dealer today.

I don't think it would matter much though if Joel had other "network" dealers selling his pre-prepared cars off their lots back then, they'd simply be Reedman-Motions, or Malcolm Konner Motions.

Consider yourself lucky...you've got both Motion and Baldwin Motion cars. Not too many can make that claim. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Having built a 69 Pro-touring 69 last year I can say the car is very nice. The pictures don't do the color justice -best red I have ever seen. Alot of quality stuff and workmanship went into this first one.

If you saw it in person you would be amazed at how mean it looks. Reminded me of a great white shark for some reason. Just oozes performance. They thrashed to get it done, so it still needs work - which they will attack before BJ,06.

Things that I did not care for are the rear fenders are flared too much for the tire/wheel placement, i.e. the tire should sit right on that outside lip of the fender. The exhaust exit setup allows you to see all the rear suspension, etc from behind.

Amazing car, they will fine tune it make it better for sure. Loved seeing it.

The remote controlled hood fits perfect and was cool to see in action.

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Being a 2 seater , it looks like there's plenty of room inside----------?

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I can appreciate the workmanship and fabrication that went into this car but I'm not a big fan of the pro touring look.
I prefer the original 1969 Phase III's.

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-------Just saw in Hemmings that this car will be at Barrett/Jackson 2006. Why am I not surprized???......Bill S

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SEMA this year was a success for MOTION. We got to meet many members from the site here and everyone had a great time at Steve Sandlens party! Charlie was there checking out the car and taking pictures of it for all of us to see (thanks charlie!) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif We also recieved the top award from GM
for the supercoupe.
Lots of interest for both the supercoupe and the Phase III camaros. We hope you all liked the car and you will be seeing much more from motion in the next couple months.
thanks guys !!! steve

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Very https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif Coming out Project--Great new info -- It brought back some good memories---Lookin forward to see the New PhaseIII's and new Motion products--Thanks Guys for Stirring the Pot---------JoeG-- https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Speaking of Motions....Where is JoeC ?

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Here is a link to Lateral-g's web page with some good pics of the car. Baldwin Motion Camaro

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif Link------------Thanks-

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How big are those rear tires... Anyone know the size?

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I can't help but think how boring this car would be w/o a gas pedal:
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I know, I know...they were still thrashing to get it done but it cracked me up a bit.

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I can't help but think how boring this car would be w/o a gas pedal:
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Do you think the new owner is even going to drive it anyway?;the gas pedal might not be necessary. As nice a car as it is I was hoping that Joel would have built something more driveable and less of a show piece.

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The thing that bugs me most is that it almost seems this car is the Sony display whore..... Since when was a Baldwin/Motion car on display featuring it's stereo equipment?... There's hardly an angle shown in the pics where you don't see "X-plod" in some way... not to mention it's in the Sony display. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif.. Back in the day at the New York Auto Shows the Baldwin/Motion cars on display were about the CARS... and if they even had stereos..they weren't mentioned..

So why does this new "Baldwin Motion" Camaro have 'Sony' tatooed all over it? Would there even be a "Baldwin Motion Camaro" being built today if it weren't for the "Sony Publicity Fund" going into the car? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif Seems a bit bass-akward to me... Don't get me wrong. It's a great car and alot of work has been well done... But like many others that have commented.. the wheel selection doesn't work for me either.. Smaller diameter rims with thicker sidewall tires would do wonders for that cars image.. Put some wrinkle walls on 10x15 Slots on the back of that thing for christ sake... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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btw... I hate the interior.. That dash/console look just don't work... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

and that shifter boot.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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Ed, I sense that you're holding back. Open up and tell us what you really want to say.

I agree, 15x10 slots with N50 meats would do wonders for this car. I think the problem is that we all have a pre-conceived notion of what a Motion car is supposed to look like and this car isn't exactly it. But this car is what Mr. Rosen has to build nowadays to really set the crowd on its collective ear. Remember, Motion cars were way over the top in the late '60s and this red car is way over the top by today's standards. I'm not that turned-on by this new car but I think it's great that Mr. Rosen and Mr. Schorr have gotten back together to make another splash in the Supercar game. (I hope Mr. Rosen makes some money on this latest foray.) As for Sony, coporate sponsorship is another aspect of the modern day. Car stereos have made quantum leaps since 1970 and they're a mandatory part of any high-visibility build nowadays. If I were Mr. Rosen I'd welcome any help I could get, especially from a big copropration like Sony. No, it's not about thumping bass and vibrating door and trunk panels, it's about thumping CAMS. But again, they need the Sony bucks to help get this venture off the ground.

$427K? Wow. I'll bet we won't see any on Power Tour.

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Ed---The project needed some sponsoring--Sony fit the bill---******Glad it wasn't Toy's-R-US--I couldn't take seeing bobble head dolls on the dash or rear shelf*******--------IMO the Motion crew had to come out with an agressive project to show Motion could play with the big guys in todays engineering/design market trend ---------I'd bet dollars to doughnuts if Motion came out with anything less the media would have chewed them up saying they were out of tune with the rest of the market and stuck in the shadows of the 60's-- ----------Some people mentioned the " MULE ", well this is Motions Mule and it had to cause a stir, from both sides of the camps.----Hey, I would have liked to see a nice Rosewood steering wheel or short-throw hurst shifter( without the boot ED https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif ) more rubber less wheel--but like Motions first " MULE "--The bumperless PhaseIII " take no prisoners " Camaro --The New Motion Camaro can be customized to each individuals taste (past--present or future) and like the Original PhaseIII's it does make a statement--- whether you agree with the car's concept or not--Motion is STILL OUTRAGIOUS after all these years---And as ED would say-- https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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That they are Joe https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif


but that shifter boot still needs to be put back in the ricer it came out of.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gif

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Here's a cool video from CarTV: Baldwin-Motion Unveiling

And LOTS of pictures, courtesy of Ed's buddys at Sony: Picture Link

And finally, Lateral-G.net's picture page: B-M pics

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but that shifter boot still needs to be put back in the ricer it came out of.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gif

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Thanks for the show Rob------ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

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You couldn't take a car like this and put old N 50's on it !!

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I hear ya Bob--No, I'M not putting N50'S on mine--

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Not the way this car is built, no... They'd never fit.. But hey Joel is going to build 12 of them.. I'd like to see one built around some deep dish slots with some skinnys on the front https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif And sidepipes would be cool too... Bring a little past Motion into the present https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Now on CNN.com:

Reborn 700-hp Camaro comes with price tag to match

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This is cool,I didn't know this:

"For those with a little less to spend, the company is also making 25 Motion Phase III Camaros which it will sell for about $189,000 each, said Jaworske. Those cars, Jaworske said, will more closely resemble original 1969 Camaros and will use some original body parts."

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I've read all the posts both good and bad and have to say some of you don't seem to get it! Like it or not you have to appreciate the effort and the result for what it is. It takes some skills to clone something that was cutting edge 30+ years ago or restore a classic but that's paint, body and turning wrenches. It's all been done and is done over and over every day. It really takes something special to go where others haven't been, it takes all the other skill sets along with imagination, style and flair. Sure the car is over the top by classic car standards but as someone already pointed out, everything Motion did in the early years was over the top for the times. IMO anything less today in 2005 and it wouldn't be worthy of the Motion name... Before someone counters, I'm not saying the planned half price versions will be any less of a special car. More to the liking of the nay sayers maybe, less show car glitz and glamor I'm sure but I bet they still pack a punch... Take a look at the past and go back and look at the present...

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