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Easy Frank he probably just meant smallblocks suck https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/Charley.gif

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Moving the wheelwell opening forward for slick clearance was pretty common on 69 camaros. They'd either cut it off, or move the wheel flare forward and tin, or mud the gap. If they were serious about racin, that front edge left.

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Jim says the car was raced by only one driver and was always raced with a big block.

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Frank was talking about the Prodeucer Nova that he attached..it was a smallblock.

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Frank was talking about the Prodeucer Nova that he attached..it was a smallblock.

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And it looks like a "302" on the front fender...

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I'd be putting the stickers and lettering back on.. There are lots of fathom green 69 yenko camaros out there... but there would only be one "Gambler". Very cool original photos. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

[/ QUOTE ]I second that. Only 1 Gambler! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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So the gambler car may have been an Atlas wheel car?

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Love the nose-high stance and Cragars.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...koGambler2.jpg

Oh yes, and this is a nice stance too. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...koGambler1.jpg

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So the gambler car may have been an Atlas wheel car?

[/ QUOTE ]The wheels in the vintage pics look like round spoke Americans to me. True Yenko "Atlas" wheels from the Atlasburg Foundry were patterned after the peaked spoke version of the American Torq Thrust. Take a look at the 7-69 SSDI road test, the gold demo car wore legit Atlas Alloys and the peaked face of the spokes are very apparent in the pics.

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Yea, I know the differences but I never assumed that every mag wheeled optioned Yenko had the Atlas version installed. I would not put it past Yenko to install a round spoke version, ET version, etc... Either way, very cool pics https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Jim says the car was raced by only one driver and was always raced with a big block.

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So would that one driver be the original owner - a guy by the name of Lloyd Eggert?

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Holy Crap was Eggert the name of the original owner ? When I was a wee lad my cousin and I used to go into a little country store in Camp Lake area of Wisconsin called Eggerts !! I wonder......

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Anybody know the mileage on Cliff's Gold Yenko?
Gotta be pretty low.

Sully.

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Since Don Yenko went to the trouble of having Atlas wheels created for his cars in the first place, (to save money over buying other similar nationally sold wheel brands) I would expect Atlas would be what he would use if that type of wheel was added. By the way, your question WAS if it was an Atlas wheel car... not if it was a mag wheel car... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif Those are not Atlas wheels.

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I agree with the logic, but nothing is set in stone. We have a bulletin from yenko sportscars that references a new '69 yenko nova with mag wheels that are not Atlas. The nova had 14" wheels vs. the 15" on the 'maros and 'velles, but...... if someone wanted certain wheels, hood, rear, etc... we know Yenko obliged!

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Atlas wheels were not round spoked... that much IS set in stone. Both 14" and 15" versions had the sharp peaked spokes.

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Does the bulletin specify anything more specific than "mag" wheels? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

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I agree with the logic, but nothing is set in stone. We have a bulletin from yenko sportscars that references a new '69 yenko nova with mag wheels that are not Atlas.

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How do you know they were not atlas?

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They were called "WT" Mags, see attachment.

I had to chop that scan to death, hope it's readable!

Sorry, the scan is too light to read, but it reads "7x14 "WT" Mag Wheels/F70x14 tires". The car is K.Suydam's '69 Yenko Nova that was sold new at Stauffer Chev. in Scranton, PA. I emailed the initial scan to Rob, maybe he can resize it without losing resolution.

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I'll bet the "WT" is s suffix for Wide Tread...and was mistakenly used to describe the wheels rather than the tires... I have often seen "WT" used when referencing wide tread tires, and have never seen nor heard of a "WT" brand of wheel. If the mag wheels were put on at Yenko I would still bet that they were Atlas mags.

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lol.....you guys all suck. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

Im gonna start a new rumor that Yenko cars were delivered with Cragers. Hell, we know that Cragers were better lookin anyway! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

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Holy Crap was Eggert the name of the original owner ? When I was a wee lad my cousin and I used to go into a little country store in Camp Lake area of Wisconsin called Eggerts !! I wonder......

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According to the info displayed with the car - Eggert was the original owner.

I'am wondering who was the second owner?

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Hey Frankie...Take your CragArs and your 302 Nova and get on outta here. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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craig, jim parks is the second owner. Bought from the original owner in appleton,wi. on a 1981 title. Roger

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craig, jim parks is the second owner. Bought from the original owner in appleton,wi. on a 1981 title. Roger

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I'am assuming Parks never raced the car - the driver in the photos is the first owner Lloyd Eggert............True?

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I'll bet the "WT" is s suffix for Wide Tread...and was mistakenly used to describe the wheels rather than the tires... I have often seen "WT" used when referencing wide tread tires, and have never seen nor heard of a "WT" brand of wheel. If the mag wheels were put on at Yenko I would still bet that they were Atlas mags.

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Pure speculation, and while we are speculating, it was suggested when this document was found several years ago that the "WT" might be a typo - but for "ET" mags since the tire info was described pretty well in the next sentence. Either way, I think we've seen enough strange stuff come from yenko, that I wouldn't consider it outside the realm of possibility that a non-Atlas mag wheel could have been installed - we have '68 v/t tops installed on '69 camaros by the guy down the street!

This might require another thread, or resurrect the old one, but it would be interesting to know when the Atlas wheels became a reality - compared to the build date of this Nova, ie; maybe the Atlas wheels were not mfg'd yet (?). Cool topic https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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the "WT" might be a typo

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On a standard keypad the W and E are next to each other so a typo is a possibility.

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Maybe the Gambler sports these elusive WT mags then, because they sure don't look to be ET's or Atlas. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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This might require another thread, or resurrect the old one, but it would be interesting to know when the Atlas wheels became a reality - compared to the build date of this Nova, ie; maybe the Atlas wheels were not mfg'd yet (?). Cool topic https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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I have some original dated photos of atlas wheels... I'll check them when i get home, may help to at least determine when yenko had them in his possession.

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Sounds good Joe. The '69 Y-Nova from that bulletin has a build date of 01A, so it's a pretty early car for Yenko conversions.

I would add that even if the atlas wheel was not available until after 01A, the conversion by Yenko may not have been completed until much later - depending on when Stauffer requested the car, and that date is unknown at this time. The date of sale is used to determine that the dealer received a converted car by X date, but this nova did not sell until very late in '70! So, just about anything is fair game with one https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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The Atlas wheels were available prior to the 69 model year, and it wasn't just the Supercars that could get them at Yenko, it was anyone willing to buck up. There is a royal plum 67 Camaro SS that still resides near Canonsburg that wears an SW 970 tach on the column and 14" Atlas mag wheels. It was reportedly sold new at Yenko in this configuration and is still owned by the original owner who ordered these additional options to be installed. I think BKH may be able to speak more about the car.

While I agree it's entirely possible that "other" wheels were installed at Yenko besides the commissioned Atlas mags, I don't think this advertisement or possible typo is the documentation we need to say one way or the other. For now we know for sure Don used Atlas castings and in many cases reused the factory supplied tires, outside of that I've seen nothing that convincingly points in any other particular direction. A good topic of discussion and cool paperwork for sure Marlin, thanks for posting.

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For what its worth, the pics I have of Atlas wheels are dated March 69...these are the pics that were taken for use in the "Stinger Stuff" catalog, that was not actually published until about a year or more later. When was the SSI road test actually performed? The gold car had Atlas wheels on it for this test, and it was one of the first Yenko Camaros for 69. I think Yenko offered other wheels, in fact SOMEWHERE I'm almost positive I have something from later (1971 or so I'm thinking) that specifically lists
E-T wheels as available for Vega. I just don't think its likely that a Yenko was sold in 69 with a 5 spoke torq thrust style wheel that was not an Atlas... if someone wanted a different style, Cragar, etc. I could see it happening... but have never actually seen anything to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. I do know a very low percentage of the Camaros had anything besides the standard 15x7 rally wheel when they left Yenko.

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I put a call into Jim. I think the car on the trailer pic is when it is brand new. He told me the date on the pic but I forgot it.

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I'll bet the "WT" is s suffix for Wide Tread...and was mistakenly used to describe the wheels rather than the tires... I have often seen "WT" used when referencing wide tread tires, and have never seen nor heard of a "WT" brand of wheel. If the mag wheels were put on at Yenko I would still bet that they were Atlas mags.

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Pure speculation, and while we are speculating, it was suggested when this document was found several years ago that the "WT" might be a typo - but for "ET" mags since the tire info was described pretty well in the next sentence. Either way, I think we've seen enough strange stuff come from yenko, that I wouldn't consider it outside the realm of possibility that a non-Atlas mag wheel could have been installed - we have '68 v/t tops installed on '69 camaros by the guy down the street!

This might require another thread, or resurrect the old one, but it would be interesting to know when the Atlas wheels became a reality - compared to the build date of this Nova, ie; maybe the Atlas wheels were not mfg'd yet (?). Cool topic https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Here is a Yenko ad for Roy Stauffer, note the use of the "WT" abbriviation in regards to the tires... I've seen this in many late 60s ads, and still think this may be what they were referring to in that Nova ad, although put in the wrong place...perhaps a simple error by someone working in the ad dept. at the newspaper that didn't know any difference between wheels and tires... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/164119-DSC01808.JPG

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close up
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Good point on the wheels and the WT in the ad Joe. The ad I posted is from yenko, but may have been just a re-type from a Stauffer ad.

Either way, I agree with you that most mag wheels installed by Yenko would have been the Atlas brand, but I would not put it past Yenko to install a set of Americans, ET's, Keystone's or Cragars https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Good info exchange https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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"but I would not put it past Yenko to install a set of Americans, ET's, Keystone's or Cragars


Would he have done this at his own discretion,or wait for the buyer to specify this?

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That would have definitely been done at customer discretion. Yenko went to the lengths of having his own American copies cast up by the folks at the Atlasburg foundry so that he could have a greater profit margin on the wheels. Unless a customer specifically demanded another brand, you can bet the aluminum wheels you got would be made by Atlas, since Yenko had plenty in stock (for years even following the supercar days per Warren Dernoshek) not to mention the fact that he made the most money on them. Warren has mentioned that Yenko got the Atlas wheels made up at a cost of close to half what Americans were going for in those days. He used Atlas because it made good business sense. Any other wheel Yenko'd be buying in a single set just like any other Joe off the street, with no volume discount, through no special connections with folks at ET, Cragar etc. unlike the friendly folks down the street who's sales rep happens to be a personal friend.

The fact about 68 tops being put on 69 Camaros down the street at Regency only supports the argument that Yenko used convenient, local, and inexpensive suppliers whenever and wherever possible. I'd need some real concrete proof to believe a 69 Yenko Camaro was sold new off the lot with anything other than Atlas or Rally wheels, unless they were something installed by the selling dealer and were not part of Yenko's conversion in Canonsburg. Other dealers like Colonial for sure had mag wheels on display stands in their showroom alongside Yenko cars. I might be able to believe that they may have been added at the point of purchase, but not by Yenko in Canonsburg, and even then there should be some paperwork noting the swap and credit for the rallys. I guess we need to speak with Jim.

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Jim said Loyd bought the car on March 10 and the pics of it on trailer are dated about March 22 or 23. He will try to call Loyd tonight and ask him if the car came with the wheels new.