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Here is another:


1970 PLYMOUTH CUDA HEMI Dsp/HP Eng 2D HARDTOP (652 mfg) 426/425 V8.

Fair $40,000
Good $58,000
Exc $95,000
Show $159,300
Loan H $48,000

2D CONVERTIBLE (14 mfd) 426/425 V8

Fair $275,000
Good $330,000
Exc $380,000
Show $450,000
Loan H $300,000

Data updated July 17, 2005 .

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Phil

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And finally just to keep the post on topic....

1970 CHEVY/CAMARO Z-28 Dsp/HP Eng 2D COUPE 350/360 V8

Fair $ 9,500
Good $14,000
Exc $21,000
Show $26,000
Loan H $12,500

Add: RS 10%

I guess this company has never noted a COPO in 70 for the camaro... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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They never noted a COPO for 1969. All they list is the Yenko and ZL1. My car is insured for more than the good condition Yenko, not that I ever want to file a claim.
I believe the insurance company would agree.

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There are people out there that just can't bear the thought of actually having to pay up for good 70 Z's now...along with the parts....they were cheap and easy not too long ago...not anymore. Good thing is now that they are getting some respect there will be more parts available .

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There are people out there that just can't bear the thought of actually having to pay up for good 70 Z's now...along with the parts....they were cheap and easy not too long ago...not anymore. Good thing is now that they are getting some respect there will be more parts available .

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hey your on FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! happy b day you crusty old &^%$

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There's a 70 Z/28 Camaro sitting in a Junkyard in Lockport,as of last month.

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Lockport NY??

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Have any doors on it!? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif Guess the yards aren't dried up after all.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Lockport NY??

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Really? Hmmm must be one I missed because I have not heard of it.

Time to go hunting.

Rick H.

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Have any doors on it!? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif Guess the yards aren't dried up after all.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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We have plenty of doors. The later years will work but they are reenforced so weigh a little more.

Rick H.

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Don't go hunting. It's in Illinois. Rick H you have a PM.

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Darn you. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif
Sent PM

Rick H.

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http://www.manheimgold.com/car_lo.html

Don't go by what some yahoos are paying on Ebay.

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Ouch!..That hurts https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

Where were you when I needed you? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

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I'll buy every Z out there for the price that the Manheim Gold calculator states. Those price guides are never correct.
It states that show Hemi Cuda hardtops are only worth $150,000. Six Pack cars are close to that range when they are concourse.

People that live and die by those guides never end up with a car https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Seems to me they have exploded to the upside in the last few months.This one(or one similar)would have been had for mid 20's a year ago-

http://www.camaros.net/classifieds/s...=11&page=1

Nice original,but still a ten bolt auto

This car would have been 25k all day long
http://www.camaros.net/classifieds/s...=11&page=1

Doesn't mean they are getting asking price,and M40's are like red headed stepchilds..but clearly the choice cars are being scarfed up as there are sooo few intact examples.

That beautiful Citrus green 70Z that a member recentely purchased set the bar for the future of second gens IMO.. with the scarce nature of NOS parts,could someone have restored that car at that caliber and made money at that price? would not be shocked in the slightest to see say a pro restored matching/papered M22 hugger 70rsZ pulling 65-70k by this time next year.

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As well as a gallon of Gas hitting $4.00.....

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Wow!

We scooped up two 73 Z-28's in Mississippi several months ago in anticipation of opening the resto shop here in New Orleans.

They are both NOM, the running driving car we got for 4700, and the other car, which is a RSZ, for 2500 (which is now almost running).

Hope they keep the upward trend!

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As well as a gallon of Gas hitting $4.00.....

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Off Topic(somewhat)

Could be much sooner than that.Katrina is rapidly intensifying,if it disrupts the flow in the gulf we could see 75-80 a barrel next week.

Truly a "get well" time for the oil co's

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Off Topic:

Also, with the gas tax being a high % price of a gallon, is anybody asking the politicians where all this extra tax revenue is going?

HHMmmmmm...................

Rich

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People that live and die by those guides never end up with a car https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Amen brother........

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I just picked up a Chevy Power Milestones magazine at the newsstands and it included a price guide for Chev. Muscle car guide, 1961 to 1971.
197o Z-28 # 1 car is priced at 40K and at the bpttom of the scale a # 5 car is priced at 13K It says to add 10% or RS option. It also makes it very clear this is a price guide only.

This report was presented by Corvettes & Chevy Trader.

Regards,

Kurt

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Kurt,
So, a number 1 car, absolutely perfect and original museum quality not driven is 40k? whats it say for a #2 car?
So far to me it looks as if 28-33k seems to be correct.
Mark.

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Mark, this might be 1 to keep an eye on for reference.

70 Z/28

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"So, a number 1 car, absolutely perfect and original museum quality not driven is 40k? "

I can absolutely assure you that a 1970 Camaro in the above condition, such as Phil Borris's 70 COPO that will be ON DISPLAY NEXT SATURDAY at SCR8 could be sold for much, much more than $40K......but WONT be for sale anytime soon !!!!!

Chuck Sharin

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Mark, this might be 1 to keep an eye on for reference.

70 Z/28

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"This car is so original it still has the G60 tires on it"

Except it has the wrong tires in the wrong size on it!!!

That makes me wonder about the rest of the claims about the car.

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Phil has turned down offers of over 6 digits for his Hugger Orange 70 Z/28, So I can assure you a #1 70-1 Z/28
will do well over 40K. Two years ago a real Nice # match 70-71 Z/28 brought about $15- 20,000. I walked away
from a few I am now kicking myself about... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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Here's another for reference. This has been kicking around on ebay for a few weeks and the price keeps dropping:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS..._Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT

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Mark, this might be 1 to keep an eye on for reference.

70 Z/28

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"This car is so original it still has the G60 tires on it"

Except it has the wrong tires in the wrong size on it!!!

That makes me wonder about the rest of the claims about the car.

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I agree. Just how hard would it have been to put on the correct hoses and clamps?

Not sure at what level of reference you would use this car. Middle of the road I guess.

Rick H.

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The black vinyl top for the forest green Z is MIA. Must have been repainted. How original is it?

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Here's another for reference. This has been kicking around on ebay for a few weeks and the price keeps dropping:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS..._Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT

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I wouldn't use this car as a high reference either.

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Wheres the vinyl top if this borders on survivor? See above, he posted while I was still typing. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

Plugs in the exhaust manifolds indicate that some other stuff didn't survive either.

Rick H.

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I decided to go look at this car today just for giggles.
Well, I giggled a lot!


Whoever buys this car is in for a HUGE restoration project. The car is a combination of about 4-5 different cars ranging from 1970 to the middle 70's. It will need just about every panel replaced. Oh but the framerails are solid.

The VIN is late Feb, early March and the motor is May. Yep, that's pretty close. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif
Trim tag pop riveted on and does not match the car one bit.

Thought I would post this for more reference material.

Rick H.

http://www.camaros.com/rick/bluez01.jpg
http://www.camaros.com/rick/bluez02.jpg

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I agree. Just how hard would it have been to put on the correct hoses and clamps?

"Not sure at what level of reference you would use this car. Middle of the road I guess.

Rick H."

All I was meant by reference was here's a Citrus Green automatic(Mark stated he thought an auto was an issue)car that has quite a few bids so obviously some interest. You can look at what it is, compare it to what you have and get some "reference" as to value perhaps.

As for untouched and original...Man, those words get tossed around so casually by people selling cars that they don't mean anything to me anymore. I just assume their full of https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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Phil has turned down offers of over 6 digits for his Hugger Orange 70 Z/28, So I can assure you a #1 70-1 Z/28
will do well over 40K. Two years ago a real Nice # match 70-71 Z/28 brought about $15- 20,000. I walked away
from a few I am now kicking myself about... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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First off let me say that I think Phil's car is one of the finest 1970 Z/28's out there. And probably THE standard to use for referencing.

With that said just what more then the "COPO" 3 piece spoiler makes it anymore valuable then say the same car built the same day but with a shorty spoiler and restored to that same level?

If I read your statement correctly using your figures for the two number 1 cars, you're telling me that the 3 piece spoiler adds close to $60,000 to the value?? I am going to respectfully disagree.

Again, I am not picking on Phil's car I am merely using it as an example only because you brought it up.

My 06B Z/28 restoration project has the deck lid and quarters drilled for the 3 piece spoiler. Seeing that the 3 piece spoiler option was available after April of 1970 I could theoreticly consider my car a COPO as well. Could I not? Yeah I know, documentation, documentation, documentation.

Great topic.

Rick H.

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Here's another for reference. This has been kicking around on ebay for a few weeks and the price keeps dropping:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS..._Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT

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I've been watching this car myself; even been tempted to take the drive to DE so I can check it out. Why do you think it hasn't sold already? From the prices you guys are throwing around for second generation Z's I would think this one is a steal.

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I think the car was reasonable but did need some things corrected.

It sold with buy it now. High bidder had "0" zero feedback so just wait a couple days and it should be back on eBay.

Rick H.

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With that said just what more then the "COPO" 3 piece spoiler makes it anymore valuable then say the same car built the same day but with a shorty spoiler and restored to that same level?

If I read your statement correctly using your figures for the two number 1 cars, you're telling me that the 3 piece spoiler adds close to $60,000 to the value??


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Rick,

I have owned the car for over 25 years and to me it has no price as it is not for sale- however to others it appears quite valuable at this time, as value is in the eye of the beholder. ED Coneen states that there were less than 500 produced in '70 with the SCCA race required production option, and in the case of COPO 9796 limited production numbers is the dollar varible for the final value for an individual who wants to buy a given car.

Level of restoration plays a part- RS, 4 Speed, Factory Original Drivetrain, Z-28, POP, A binder of original documentation, Signed affedavit from the original owner, Photos from when the car was new and Finally orange with white stripes.

Your 06-B car could very well be the real deal. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Phil

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Level of restoration plays a part- RS, 4 Speed, Factory Original Drivetrain, Z-28, POP, A binder of original documentation, Signed affedavit from the original owner, Photos from when the car was new and Finally orange with white stripes.


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Phil,
Absolutely.


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ED Coneen states that there were less than 500 produced in '70

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From what I have read and researched the option was available between April and August of 1970 with the total number unknown. How did Ed Cunneen come up with approx 500?
I have not seen that written anywhere except on his website.

BTW, from the way my spoiler pieces line up it just might be. I guess nobody heard of alignment templates back then.

Rick H.

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Rick,

It is not the alignment. it is poor quality Fiberglass molding production processes. These same issues actually delayed production until well into late May. There were some early cars but limited production actually got going in early June, and even then production was limited.

AO Smith was the supplier for the rear spoiler assembly.

As for the 500 number, I guess Ed has his sources. Vince told me that Not many were made because of the fit issues with the first spoilers. He also stated that due to this very issue the primary production roll out was mainly delayed by Chevrolet until the '71 model year where it became RPO D-80.

Phil https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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You can say that again.

All I know is I plan on putting them back on whether they fit right or not.

Rick H.

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'70 Z-28s are extremely interesting cars that seem to be catching on finally as they should. Good cars, unrestored survivors or quality restorations are few and far between. As for the issue of COPO '70 Z's........a different spoiler is a bit of a stretch to call these cars COPOs in the same venue as the '69 cars. Actually when these cars were new I worked at Daileys Chevrolet in Erie, Pa. (also bought a new '70 camaro 350 4spd, F41, D80 etc.) and the general concensus was the smaller spoiler was preferred. It did seem like almost all of the later built 70s had the 3 piece as I recall. Still two here in Erie from Daileys, one nice, one rough as hell. As these cars become more recognized the future looks bright as to their value, either spoiler not being the issue. Colors, options and correctness along with docs will be the factor. It already takes "69 Z money to secure a good one.