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Whttps://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gifW...great car, amazing that it still exists and really love how it's a post car!!!

I remember reading those stories too...Wangers sure had some 'hair raising' experiences!.

~ Pete
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Did you really mean "factory fitted" 421s?

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Did you really mean "factory fitted" 421s?

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Yes, do you know of one (or more)?

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That is one bad a$$ package you have there Tenney. How does it run today compared to your old L88?

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Thanks, Stefano. There's more cam, compression and gear in the Goat, though a bit tough to compare as I've never tried it w/proper meats out back. That, and I really don't grab it by the throat as fiercely as maybe some of the other stuff - but it's not boring.

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I thought the 421 was installed at Royal, not at the factory.

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Jim Wangers told me the car went from the line to engineering over a weekend for the 421 HO install - then went to Royal to be "Bobcatted".

Per Jim, this motor was damaged in Florida during the C&D test, and replaced with another 421 HO upon return to Royal - again by Pontiac engineers.

There's a Royal receipt dated 11/17/67 (signed by service tech: "Milt") for the 428 that's in the car now. 9770716 heads built '63-'64, so could be original to the car?

Still curious if there were any others done. Jim says the blue car was a 389. That he also said so few knew of the 421 install in this car (three guys plus the two in engineering) - and the level of approval it took to make it happen - seems unlikely there are many, if any.

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Very cool story, and, a great car. I must have been misinformed a few years ago when it was for sale. I'm a big Royal fan, and, yours is one of the best.

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Thanks. I'd thought same prior to speaking w/Jim about the "Memo 198 Tag Wangers" printed along the bottom of the build sheet. Listening to him tell the stories of his time with the car - best retold by him, btw - couldn't have been cooler.

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anybody remember what happened to that '69 Judge Wangers had some guy drive out on Woodward,and got fenderred by a hemi GTX?

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I believe Mr. Wangers still owns this car.

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Can I have it ?

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I ran that one Kibbles 'n Bits-style 'til Joe finally handed 'er over!

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Quick update ... the '64 has a brief cameo in the GM employee discount commercial airing currently - so it's still doing its part for the GM cause after 44 years ...!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVVANPaH5SE

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That's just too cool!

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That's just too cool!

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Thanks, Bruce.

Brief caption for the pics Carl so kindly posted ... Scott Tiemann finished the car early this month (big credit for the 'cool' due this fellow!), went to Meadow Brook, the GM shoot, and then its original stomping grounds - Woodward (slicks for the occasion).

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Thanks, Sam … (not that I have much to do with the car's beauty or its history!).

One of the cool things about having the ‘64 at Meadow Brook and Woodward are the stories about it you hear from the folks who were there - and how many of those folks there actually are! They’re all grown-ups these days, but you get the impression that - in addition to the impact made by the Car and Driver test - Jim Wangers’ “hands-on marketing” on Woodward Avenue was no small success on a local level.

A fellow at Meadow Brook told me he was in engineering when the car was done. I asked if he did any of the work and he said no, but remembered it well – and mentioned he was “sworn to secrecy”. I got the sense he was pleased it was still around and doing okay.

Had Scott Tiemann do a bit of (er, lot of?) a clean-up on the car. I’d wanted a small dose or two of rust repaired (rust isn’t patina for me). Turned out pretty much every panel had been touched up here and there, and the underside had been painted black – no major damage of any sort, an old warrior for sure, but not so much a time capsule, per se.

Was tempted to retain the cool hot rod stuff that Milt had done to the car over the years for Bill Sherman - I did, it’s just packed away for now – but it seemed the car’s most unique history is as it left Pontiac Engineering and then Royal for Florida. Jim Wangers pitched this direction - and rightfully so, I think.

Hypothetically, if the factory only made one ZL-1 powered Vette, and it was used by GM for some notable publicity – and then later sent to Baldwin-Motion for a hit of mountain-motored Phase III, what do you do if/when it comes time to clean it up?

Today the ’64 has a new driver’s side quarter panel, a new floor pan piece near the driver’s foot well and a new windshield. It has two new front fender wells - as the originals were cut away to accommodate the headers - and a correctly dated 421 HO block. The heads and intake pre-date the build by a few months, may be the originals, and so were retained – plus Milt had done some nice work on those heads! It has an M-21 as installed by engineering, and the original 10-bolt is back in its place. 3.91’s would be engineering-correct, though retained the 4.33’s that were in there as they’re ’64 dated, I’ve a Royal service receipt for their install – and they’re pretty fun. Aside from these items and the new carpet and headliner, it’s all the old stuff - meticulously restored. Scott even cleans and/or re-plates the hardware!

Really would’ve liked to have dropped by the SCR, as well, and checked in w/some old friends, recent ones and scored some fresh ones - sounds (and looks!) like a blast.

Had Scott hauling the car around all month, figured it was time to quit asking - though bet he'd have had some fun, too!

Cheers. And thanks again to those who shared all the cool SCR pics and flicks ...

Wangers Pilots Tennys GTO

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"Total fraud" (but in a good way?) ...

http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicl...batmobile.html

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Not only was it not tweaked - it was not there ...!

The 250 Goat was a no-show in Florida, Sam, so Car and Driver said they referred to #'s from a previous test.

What's not to like about the General Lee?! That thing doled out some championship-level lawn jobs in its day!

btw, the 2nd dose 'o Woodward pics Carl posted (the better ones!) were shot by Keith Seymore.

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Came across this brief clip featuring a quick shot or two during Joe's reign with a pretty nice 250 Goat ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4smXEFijfXc

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How in the world does a Baldwin Motion https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif or Yenko car not make that list? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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-------On the list of most famous musclecars, this GTO ranks way up within probably the top five, IMHO!!!! Im not sure Wangers wasnt right with his price evaluation.......Bill S

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Congrats (Again!) Tenney. MCE's latest (April edition, I think, with a red '69 goat 'vert on the cover) has a nice one pager with his car and Jim Wangers standing next to it. I believe it is a promotional advertisement for Jim W's books. I'll get it out tonight and scan the page and post it.

Very special car you have there Tenney! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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And thanks again, Sam!

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I'm w/ you on that statement!.

Always great to see more details of this amazing Post car!.

Is there any known history to the cowl intake hole the pics show being patched up?.

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~ Pete

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Nice stuff Tenney. She looks real good! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif