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Very Very Nice!
Love the original cars as well.

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Very nice https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

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nice car,good to see that there are still some nice cars out there to find.enjoy it and drive it.Ron https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Rick--it looks great. Enjoy your new find. Forrest Green LS6 Survivors Rule!!!!!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

Morris

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Hmmmmm...looks like we may be finding out "What's it Worth"....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...930182&rd=1

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WOW, already. Wonder what the previous owner thinks, not that it matters - just curious...

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I saw this car several weeks ago at the Sams Club parking lot get-together and it was very nice. That solid lifter cam sounded sweet and the paint looked flawless. The owner was looking for 150-160K for the car I believe.

Paul
69 SS Camaro L78

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I saw this car several weeks ago at the Sams Club parking lot .... The owner was looking for 150-160K

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Was that the discounted Sams Club price?? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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It is a really nice car, but if he gets 160k for it I think it will cause a lot of people (certainly myself) to rethink LS6's...

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A car is worth what someone is willing to pay. This is an original unrestored rare low mile musclecar, I wish I had the money to buy it. There are a lot of big time invertors out there looking for a place to put their money, unfortunately, musclecars seem to be a popular place these days.

Paul

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i like the car aswell and its a special peice but not worth 150-175 to me, but neither was that black 19k mile 4spd car and i think it got around 150k nor is that red car also on ebay with a bid at 225k just my 2cents

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"A car is worth what someone is willing to pay. This is an original unrestored rare low mile musclecar, I wish I had the money to buy it. There are a lot of big time invertors out there looking for a place to put their money, unfortunately, musclecars seem to be a popular place these days."

Affirmative,no different that stocks and just as manipulated.I love the internet for the info gleaned,hate it for what it's contributed to the valuation of these cars..double edged sword no doubt.Wish I was financially solvent twenty years ago when these were traded amongst true collectors,now they're just trinkets for microsoft trust fund babies.

I can respect those who's income is dependent on flipping these,but admire people like Greg who's selective about the future of his historic car-and chooses not to diminish it's pedigree and add to it's owner total on the ebay shell game.

JMHO

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I dont feel the LS6 cars are up there yet they are cool and I have had a few but the mopar stuff is way ahead and the LS6 cars are not a copo or a yenko but in the previous post he is right that someone will pay for what they want I know I have. Kind of strange he finds a great deal and asks all kinds of questions and now its worth 160K??? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gif sean

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Appears to be a very rare offering and as previously noted some interesting items including those rocker moldings. No disrespect intended but some of the pictures make some of the stripes look like decals especially on the deck.

What's it worth is being redefined daily in this market at least for the time being. Speaking of Chevelles, check out ebay item #4553464263 (auction ending soon). Reserve not yet met and car has no documentation.

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Here it is...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=4553464263

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I dont think you can really consider ebay a market indicator there is alot of up bidding on those auctions. Most of the "real" cars are sold in private. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gifSean

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Agree Sean...

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No offense taken but just to set the record straight on couple of items.

Know one has heard me say this car is worth 150 or 160 or 170K. Because I don't know what the car is worth. There was a lot of discussion that night at Sam's and on this site as to what the car may be worth. I've been asking more questions about it's value than answering questions about it's value. I appreciate all the input I've received from members of this site and feel I have a better understanding now than I did three weeks ago. But, the reserve set on this car is nowhere near 160K. I put a lot of thought into what would be a fair price for this car and I think I'm close. But, the only way to know is to put it out there and find out.

Late BrakeU2 I can assure you my motives for selling the car have nothing to do with income dependency or Microsoft trust fund babies. The fact is I'm just not the right collector for this car. I knew that soon after I bought it. It's just to original, to nice and to low a mileage for me to enjoy driving and I like to drive my cars. But, I wasn't going to let it sit in a barn for another 6 years. I paid the previous owner his asking price with no negotiation. If there's money to be made I make no apologies. I don't know any member of this site that feels they should sell a car for less than fair market value to be considered a legitimate collector. That's all I expect for this car. Also, suggesting that putting a car on ebay somehow diminish it's pedigree I think gives ebay more importance then it deserves. Ebays just a tool to get 10,000 people in 7 days to look at a car you have for sale. I doubt this car will sell on ebay. But I bet it sells to someone that saw it on ebay or this site.

No big deal just wanted to clarify a couple of things and put in my .02 https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

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Actually it does deminish its pedigree on ebay. Especially when no reserve has been meant for a car that has been put up reaptedly over and over. It makes alot of the bidders wonder why it will not sell. I know I have been through it. There have been several that have been for sale on ebay and "I" think it is just to pump the cars up like I said most of the real cars are sold in private. The best thing to do is come up with a number and post it makes things alot more simple. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gifSean

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Actually it does deminish its pedigree on ebay. Especially when no reserve has been meant for a car that has been put up reaptedly over and over. It makes alot of the bidders wonder why it will not sell. I know I have been through it. There have been several that have been for sale on ebay and "I" think it is just to pump the cars up like I said most of the real cars are sold in private. The best thing to do is come up with a number and post it makes things alot more simple. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gifSean

[/ QUOTE ] Ebay is one place where I will not buy a car. I just don't trust the bidding system. If theirs bidding for a car, I want to see the hands being raised. This is a very nice car. However, I just don't understand why some (not the seller in the case), refer to these cars as "Rare Muscle Cars". Theirs really nothing rare about LS6 Chevelles, as nice as they are. However this one does qualify as "Rare". Just my 2 pennies. Patrick

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Ebays just a tool to get 10,000 people in 7 days to look at a car you have for sale.

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This is how I view cars on E Bay...good advertising is all.

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Ebays just a tool to get 10,000 people in 7 days to look at a car you have for sale.

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This is how I view cars on E Bay...good advertising is all.

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Manipulation is a better word. Its almost like the old stock market pump and dump. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif Very easy for dealers to create an inflated market with artificial bidding. If you watch you will see the same cars over and over again. Id like to know how many really get sold. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

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Is it unusual to have an LS6 motor not match the protect-o-plate on original cars? It appears that the motor on this car is --12CRR but the protect-o-plate is T0210CRR. I've heard this is not unusual on some cars. Mis-typed protect-o-plates?
Mark

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Sean

Just curious, how does putting a car on ebay that has never been offered for sale on the internet diminish it's value? I don't see it any different than Hemmings, Autotrader or any venue for selling a car. I agree If a car lives on any venue for months and month and months it brings a lot of questions to mind. But being listed one time, I don't see it having any more neg. effect than having it on any other site or in any other publication. Plus, I don't know of anything that happens on ebay that forces a potential buyer to pay more for a car than they are willing to pay. People just need to take ebay with a grain of salt and for what it is a medium for displaying cars for sale nothing more. JMO

Rick

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Just curious, how does putting a car on ebay that has never been offered for sale on the internet diminish it's value? I don't see it any different than Hemmings, Autotrader or any venue for selling a car. I agree If a car lives on any venue for months and month and months it brings a lot of questions to mind. But being listed one time, I don't see it having any more neg. effect than having it on any other site or in any other publication. Plus, I don't know of anything that happens on ebay that forces a potential buyer to pay more for a car than they are willing to pay. People just need to take ebay with a grain of salt and for what it is a medium for displaying cars for sale nothing more. JMO

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"People just need to take ebay with a grain of salt and for what it is a medium for displaying cars for sale nothing more."

nicely said Rick, there are many buyers that do not know there way around the net but they know how to type in "e bay", car may not sell at auction but it will put serious buyers in touch with a seller then they can go from there if they like.

Bud

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Mark

Actually the protect-o-plate has the data for a CRE 350/300hp TH-350 El Camino, the next car in line. It's weird. But this is the POP that came with this car. As you can see it's stamped into the LS6's build sheet.

Rick

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Rick..........that 70 BB Nova was just beautiful.......your Chevelle is fantastic......I can't wait to see what's next...!!!!
WOW.........
ktownkid

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This is how I view cars on E Bay...good advertising is all.

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Manipulation is a better word. Its almost like the old stock market pump and dump. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif Very easy for dealers to create an inflated market with artificial bidding. If you watch you will see the same cars over and over again. Id like to know how many really get sold. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

[/ QUOTE ] My thoughts exactly Sam. Lets get the friends and relatives to bid just below the set reserve. That being said. It doesn't change the fact that this is one of the most interesting LS6 Chevelles on the market today. I just feel with other venues their is a price listed. Transperancy works for me. Patrick

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Rick, To answer your question my post was not directed at you or your car. It was at ebay I "feel" it can hurt a car when it has been advertised over and over which "your" car has not been. I hope you get a million bucks for it!!! Is what I am saying I have known of cars that have been bid on and they never come near there market value so it diminshes the value in alot peoples mind because it did not hit reserve. I tell you what send me your cash price and I might buy it!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gifSean

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Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Including me, so here's mine:

1. Rick bought the car. He can sell it any time and in way he wishes. Can't imagine why anyone would give a rat's a$$ that he decided to sell it, regardless of the reason, which may be personal. Although, no one came out and said it, the underlying current of some of the posts seems to be that he is some kind of whore for deciding to sell the car, and even more so for using ebay.

2. Ebay is a great place to get the car "out there". It may also sell on ebay, in which case, Rick saved a lot of marketing expenses.

3. 1970 LS6 cars are awesome. Highest advertised HP ever offered by GM, which makes it a benchmark car. No, it is not a COPO. However, the LS6 is what I would consider the continuation of the L72 in 1969. My guess is, that without the 69 L72 COPO cars, the LS6 would have never made it to market. Who cares if you could get it as a RPO? Would an 1969 L72 Camaro or Chevelle be any less of a car if it had become available RPO before the end of the year? While it may have affected the "collectiblity" aspect, the car would be the same.

4. Great score Rick. Good luck with the sale.

JMO. Don't mean to offend anyone.

Lynn Bilodeau

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I've heard this is not unusual on some cars. Mis-typed protect-o-plates?

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True. They misspelled my last name! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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Patrick

Thanks for your comments about the Chevelle.

It doesn't matter to me if a seller bids up his car or not. I already know what I'm willing to pay and if the seller bids it up above that price the jokes on them. I consider ebay bids as a "floating asking price" always subject to change.

In this case my goal is to sell the car. So, any serious buyer who has/is willing to simply pick up the phone and call me, engage in minimal conversation about the car and is willing to exchange names and Tel numbers can find out my reserve by just asking. There's no reason to play some guessing game about the reserve price of the car. However, I do ask them to agree not to post it on the internet as that would negate any benefits a true auction has. IMO there are some benefits. It's those guys that send you an email that says "how much" I don't even respond to. They're just doing research. I've had 5 emails asking if I'd take in the 30's, 11 from people asking if the car has A/C and one from a guy asking if I'd repaint it red. Some ebayers just don't need to know what my asking price is.

Thanks again
Rick

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I don't know why I'm doing this, I usually like to sit on the side and watch a good ol "wrastlin match" but you Boys have drawn me offsides.

I've purchased 17 cars in the last 8 months.

5 of the cars were on E-bay. 4 of those were bought before the auction ended. The other was bought with a high bid of $ 222,100 sniped in at the last second after the car had reached the reserve. I'm dang happy about E-bay and the exposure it brings to cars. I've seen the same car on there many times, some I've even had deals on only to have the seller crawfish on me.

I've bought 6 cars at auction. All of those cars were "Hammer Sold. Some of those cars and others I didn't buy, I've had the owner or a friend of his bid against me.

I've bought 6 six cars from individuals with some of those represented by dealers. 2 of those individuals raised the selling price after comparison shopping even with deals already agreed to, one already had the funds deposited in his account.

The long and short of it is: You are all right! You can be manipulated many ways and by many means! Your choice is to sit on the sidelines because the rules aren't fair or to get in the game and show others how to play fair.

Lynn, You got it right! Especially about the underlying tone of some of the post.

The open exchange of opinions is great! Lets try and think about the other guy and the real reason we make the post!

Sorry about my rant. Sermon Over!

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These are the type of jackasses you have to walk away from...worst kind. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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These are the type of jackasses you have to walk away from...worst kind. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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Got that right, A deal is a deal.

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Lynn:
The L-72 didn't have anything to do with the LS-6's introduction. It was part of GM's pecking order. The LS-7 was scheduled to be the 1970 replacement for the L-88 of the previous year. This would have put the Corvettes engine line-up as follows LS-7 465hp, LS-6 450hp, LS-5 390hp. At the last minute because of the deproliferation program to weed out costly low volume options, the LS-7 option was cancelled. This left the engineers with little time to emission certify the LS-6 combinations for the y-body (Corvette) and so for the 1ST time in Corvette history, this model was not the "king of the hill". This is why the '70 Chevelle SS LS-6 came with the special low rise intake manifold. This manifold was necessary for hood clearance in the 1970 Corvette, as 'marketing and styling' did not like the unsightly previous cowl inducted hood styling that was necessary for the high rise manifold used on the L-88's and ZL-1's of the previous year. They felt it ruined the lines of the car. That is why the LS-6 has that particular intake manifold. With the L-72 style intake on this engine, it would certainly be thee strongest street engine EVER!

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I've purchased 17 cars in the last 8 months.

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Howard, would you like to adopt me?

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Lynn

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Lynn:
The L-72 didn't have anything to do with the LS-6's introduction. It was part of GM's pecking order. The LS-7 was scheduled to be the 1970 replacement for the L-88 of the previous year. This would have put the Corvettes engine line-up as follows LS-7 465hp, LS-6 450hp, LS-5 390hp. At the last minute because of the deproliferation program to weed out costly low volume options, the LS-7 option was cancelled. This left the engineers with little time to emission certify the LS-6 combinations for the y-body (Corvette) and so for the 1ST time in Corvette history, this model was not the "king of the hill". This is why the '70 Chevelle SS LS-6 came with the special low rise intake manifold. This manifold was necessary for hood clearance in the 1970 Corvette, as 'marketing and styling' did not like the unsightly previous cowl inducted hood styling that was necessary for the high rise manifold used on the L-88's and ZL-1's of the previous year. They felt it ruined the lines of the car. That is why the LS-6 has that particular intake manifold. With the L-72 style intake on this engine, it would certainly be thee strongest street engine EVER!

[/ QUOTE ] What do you mean when you say "Strongest Street Engine Ever"? Horsepower, Torque or what. Just curious. Patrick