William does the vin stamp on the block match other orig. ones you have seen ?

William and Charlie
 

Thanks for clearing up a few things but still a few unknowns on #61.

I was bidder #2 on this car and took it up to $675k. I spent over a month digging into its history and was comfortable enough to pay up to $750k for it. With the 10% buyer's premium, the $700k bid knocked me out. A couple members on this site went out of their way to help me and and I cannot say enough how thankful I am for their assistance. The car has its faults as it was rode hard and put up wet back in the day, but it is still 1 of the 69 ZL1 Camaros. Congratulations to the new buyer as it is a beautiful car and was the star at Barrett Jackson! If the buyer happens to be on this site, please send me a private message as I have some documentation on the car I found that I would like to share with you. If there are any ZL1 owners out there looking to part ways with their car, let me know as my ZL1 search continues...

This car is Not one of the first 50, só How is it possible to know the body Number? Since They have little correlation to the VIN.

BtW, Without checking fonts or spacing of individual numbers, The Block VIN stamp posted looks very similar to my old #34 ZL-1 original Block VIN stamp. I have in my database photos of original blocks stamped with the VIN on the deck,( no gang stamp) but mine and others are by the oil filter , similar to this one.

That is actually the dealer order confirmation number. It is not possible to determine the number based on a cars' build configuration. When the reproduction body tag was ordered they simply used the next highest number. I recall being asked about it when the car went into restoration; I may have advised they do that.

Odd ZL-1 fact: the lowest body number is Berger ZL-1 #3 #211785. A Berger L72 COPO is #211786.

Had two lengthy phone conversations with Jerry Huffman a few years ago. They were a high-performance dealership in Farmington, IL. For years we have thought it was a wonderful coincidence that Chevy built 69 1969 ZL-1 Camaros but it was not. Jerry told me Central Office contacted their dealership to see if they were interested in ordering a ZL-1 Camaro. They had decided to end the program at 69 units and needed to build 17 additional cars, possibly to consume engine production. So, they [foolishly] ordered two cars [#66 & #67] without knowing the option MSRP. The cars were a headache for the dealership; that's a story for another day.

Last ZL-1 was built June 3, 1969.

That's interesting. #34 [N610899] was final-assembled March 7, 1969. It's fairly common knowledge the VIN stamp dies and possibly the holder were changed in production at Norwood April '69. The con VIN on the block for #34 would be clearly different than the block stamping on a car built May 14, 1969.

In an 2011 article, Craig Jackson talked about buying his ZL-1 #68 in 1988

This article said the ZL-1 is a $1M car

$1M in 2011 is about $1.3M in 2023

changed it

2030......I have lost a lot of time.

Your old ZL1 #34 is here in a collection in Chicago Land. Let me know if your ever in our neighbor hood and want to reunite. No it is not for sale.

Thanks for the offer.. I sure will let you know whenever I am in the área só I can take her for a spin !!

No clue of originality on the car in this thread, and no clue of date of VIN change of ZL-1s.

But, one thing I know for certain. The 100% ORIGINAL VIN on my block #34 is by the oil filter.

Orig. trim tag & Documentation of VIN 124379N642927
 

According to the info contained in image 123 on page 1 of this thread it states:
Trim Plate data: Build Date: 05A, Paint Code: 57-57 [Fathom Green], Option Codes: X44, NOR # 292794, Trim Code: 711.
However that doesn't mean it has it's orig. trim tag.
In the info of image 123 it states:
Documentation: ZL1 #61, original ordering and selling dealership: Seltzer Chevrolet Yucon OK. Well that means there must be some documentation with that information existing somewhere - otherwise such 'documentation' is not documentation at all...is it. Real documentation is physical documentation not made up info. For me documentation is paper verification, however for others it could mean photographs...Each to their own interpretation to what documentation is I guess. I really like member 'William's quote: 'Learning more and more about less and less. And I have always rated you Charley Lillard - if anyone here on The Supercar Registry is genuine, authentic, honest, trustworthy, and an encyclopedia on COPO Camaros it is you.

I think #64 was bought new by Bill Turner in Ft Myers FLA,when I saw it had a repaint in Silver,engine had been pulled and stored and the car raced with a dif engine.Dont remember when he sold it.Bill is alive and well in FLA.FWIW,Tom

ZL-1 # 64 was the "Aluminum Rat " Ft Myers FL

ZL-1 #4 NHRA NE Division, 1970.

ZL-1 #4 Hauser Camaro

That’s it,Bill Turner.Tom

Hi all. I would just like to say that I have what is left of a heavily crashed ZL1 that has sat hidden away in a loft, covered with dust and bird crap for many decades. All the good bits were long ago pirated, hence I have zero intention of trying to recreate a 'silk purse out of a sow's ear'. The important part, the body number tag is still riveted on (albeit with a bit of a twist in that area, and it may take some careful work to get it straight again). I intend to restomod the remains, and it will never be put up for sale as some super desirable collector item ZL1. It is a sh-tbox that will be rebuilt with as many new panels as I can throw at it, and also some upgrades to the brakes and suspension. Engine wise, big block aftermarket aluminum blocks can be found, but it will never have a ZL1 number on it. I am still going to use an OEM front clip and not go to some full chassis type restomod. What will it be worth in the end? I do not care, it is a keeper and will be used by me as a regular driver, not locked away in a display cabinet.

Helluva 1st post. Welcome to the site. Your inbox will get lit up in a hurry. Regardless of your intent for restoration, please support the hobby by sharing pics and info so the car can be properly documented. Awesome find, I look forward to more info!
Jim

Sounds unbelievable

At this point, with out pictures, it Probably is.

If you will post pictures of the VIN tag, firewall area around the wiring bulkhead and hidden VIN on the firewall and cowl it will help verify that the car is a ZL1, and it will help the community to document the car and prevent scammers from claiming that they have it.

Motown Madman part 2.

LOL Typhoon...Oh no you didn't.

Same guy goes to all the rare websites username Elvis something,big hat no cattle.

What car #?

#27 As bought from Dick Tutino

I think this story might actually be legit. If his Camaro is the one parked above my friends 1972 427 SOHC Cuda convert with factory bench and three on the tree, purchased new in 1967 by my neighbors father ... well then, it must be true ;)

Is this the same guy that pulled the hemi out of the river with his Zl-1 powered tow truck?

Can anyone find that old thread? I need a good laugh

#9 coming to auction 124379N608879

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...ARO-ZL1-271809

"A GM factory-assembled body shell was used to correct the extensive body modifications performed during this car's long-term drag-race history."

Check out Craig Jackson's "description" of #9 LOL. Starts at 1:50 of the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hieHsQaNbsg
Doc

"... packing the original COPO ZL1 all aluminum 427 engine"


not "an original COPO ZL1 all-aluminum 427 engine"
not "a period-correct COPO ZL1 all-aluminum 427 engine"


but "THE original COPO ZL1 all-aluminum engine"


??

You guys may have thought I was kidding when I asked if this is the same guy that posted about the ZL-1 found in a tow truck ( it was a dually) and the hemi pulled out of the river …. Well I found the thread . If you want a laugh, check this classic out .

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=95224