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Here is a shot of a 67 trim tag with the "hole" .....This was a pretty neat car! Long gone and will stay that way....


Steve

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"The 11 small block Canadian pacecars (out of 22 built, plus the AJ Foyt replacement Pacecar with A/C) weren't even SS'es. They were all LF7 327/210HP Rally sports. Just a little tidbit of little known info.

Don't qoute me the old USCC article that says they were L48 RS/SS'es, because its wrong, I've seen the GM of Canada paperwork on these. None of the SB cars are SS'es."

I can vouch for what Mark is saying...since I am Canadian and my first Camaro at 17 was a Canadian Pace Car - and it was an RS - I've got the GM paperwork on the car to boot. Also, I was contacted by a fellow in Grimsby, Ontario 2 weeks ago who has one also. I can email you his trim tag for proof if you need it https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif BTW, it has the - code after the 5BY also and 0-1 paint.

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JoeC,

Great info . . . I don't think the 0-1 was a clear coat paint. I thought at first it was, but did they even have clear coat paint then and if so, what would it do for the cars. I believe it could have been a different, brighter, GM White, maybe from a Cadillac, Buick, etc. I was told they did that because it helped the decals stand out on the car better for public viewing from the grand stand or watching them on TV or in the parades.

If the - (dash) is not a stripe delete for the bumblebee and pin stripe, then my second guess is that maybe it is for different shocks or springs for these cars as they were used for parade purposes and they knew these cars would be carrying heavy loads. I have had a few guys say that their pace cars didnt have the right springs or shocks in them and they just replaced them with correct ones.

My guess though is that the - (dash) still had something to do with a paint delete . . . Didn't the '68's have a - (dash) as a paint delete ?? What about some '67 Yenkos with no stripes on them ?? Are there any like that ?? I think it was a paint delete item that just ended up in the 4th or 5th group in '67.

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Yes, at least 2 of the LF7 Canadian pacers have been found.

I agree - at this point I think the - is just 'Special Instructions'.

And no, Chevy never looked at the trim tag. It was for Fisher only.

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Kurt,

Any chance someone was at the end of the line (who may have been employed by Fisher Body, or even a plant worker) checking that cars were built like they should have been in reference to the trim tags. With no computers then, humans would need to check for these things. My '67 Pace Car has the white paint on the tag. It is also like Charlies in that it has a 4P code but is a documented 375HP car. Weird stuff happened to those cars and some of it happened for a reason. Why do some of the Festival and Dealer Pace Cars have the 050A, 060A, 061A, and 070A fleet codes and why do some of them not, and why did those codes end up in the 4th or 5th group if they were part of the Pace Car RPO option code. I have a friend that has a '67 Pace car, C-1, with a 061A in the 5th group and her body broadcast sheet has at the bottom . . . FN061A Pace Car Option. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif I guess if one of the 070A owners had their broadcast copy it might say FN070A Pace Car Option. Why different fleet codes? I have always found these cars to be fascinating because of the challenging facts that should be simple to find out, but aren't. One day, I will be able to sleep at night when these codes are figured out. Someone has to know what these mean, it shouldn't be that difficult. The more we talk about these items together, the better chance we have of figuring them out.

Thanks for your input and Keep It Coming . . . https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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The 0-1 paint code is for the show finish white paint with clear coat over the decals on the door. The dash is anther special instruction that has been rumored to be associated with the blue nose stripe as that was not a standard color. Don't know whay there are different fleet numbers unless they are associated with specific GM sales zones.

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Just found a guy with a 327 Canadian Pacer bidding on Ebay...TALK ABOUT COINCIDENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!,Will get his info for the crowd...I was under the impression the Festival decals were installed at the track..Cannot clear coat over stickers that were not even on the car..The truths of the past are dropping like flies on this thread..I love it..Keep it coming..Tom https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I believe all the festival cars (0-1 code)in 67 left the factory with the decals already on the car. I've seen the preparation instructions for the 67's somewhere that indicated the decals were cleared over to keep the shine up on the cars. Maybe in Donna Crispino's pace car book?

Charley L. has one or the original pace cars he should know for sure.

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Matt..Original owner of my festival car has story of rear axle replacement after dealer torched off iron bar stock that was welded to the axle tubes..Dealer claimed the car was used in the parade and sat embarrassingly low with a trailer on the back in the parade. They welded the iron in as bumpstops and subsequently damaged the rear axle taking them off. I'd love to see a picture of the bottom of that broadcast copy with "pace car option" on it..please. Mine has white paint on trim tag 04A car. In the 80's we had a ton of mercury cougars around here that had emblems that said Bostonian Edition on them..maybe along the same lines with the dealers getting together for a mass puchase with special stuff?..The springs in my pacer are original and seemingly normal.

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The docs I am looking at are in The Hooper 67-68 Camaro ref book. It has about 15 pages of docs from Chevy and Campbell-Ewald (GM ad agency)on 67 Pace cars. The dates go back to March 1967. Does anyone have vin numbers and build dates of early 67 Pace car's with L78? They look like very early L78's and I am looking for early L78 vin numbers and trim tag dates.

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I have a photo of a https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gifcowl tag from 67 Canadian pace car, but it's too big. Can anyone reduce the size of the image so that I can post it here?

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Sorry, FestivalL78 couldn't make it smaller!

M https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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I can do it. Send it to me.

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Mark,

Thanks!!! It's on the way....dial up sucks!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif

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At 802K I guess it would. Have cable connection, on 24/7 mail is checked every 5 minute, so my mailbox never fills and takes about 20 seconds to retreive 1 Meg.

Anyway heres the image attaced reduced to about 50K bytes.

Re: 1967 Camaro Pace Car
 

1 = Chevrolet
2 = Camaro
4 = 8-cylinder engine
67 = convertible body
7 = 1967 model year
N = Norwood, OH assembly plant

Decode for body number: 136897

06C = Built the Third week of June.
67-12667 = Custom Interior Convertible.
NOR = Built in Norwood Ohio.
732 = Custom Bright Blue Bucket Seats.
Z = (A50) Strato Bucket Seats.
O-1 = Lower Color is SPECIAL PAINT and the Convertible Top Color is White.
R = Interior paint is Bright Blue
Options:
1D = (C06) Power top convertible
2M = (M35) Powerglide Transmission
2G = (D55) Console front compartment
3S = (Z23) Interior Decor group
3L = (Z22) Rally Sport Package
5B = (V31 & V32) Front and Rear Large Bumper Guards
5Y = (A39) Belts All Deluxe
- = Special Order/Fleet Code

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Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

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HEERREEEE'S the photo!!!!

Mike

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Here's one of the -061 Fleet code body broadcast sheets. I removed the identifying VIN, BODY NO and Keycodes numbers cause the owner (assuming this car still exists) may not want the info displayed.

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Some things I thought you all might find interesting for the 67 pace cars from my collection.
· The ad proof for the centerfold Camaro ad in the 1967 Indy 500 program
· Pace setter proof ad
· Docs from my 67 pace car, window sticker, protecto plate, Dealer invoice and original finance contract.
67 Indy Camaro

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I have to say that I'm amazed about the small block Canadian Pace Cars being without the SS350 package, but I would bet big bucks that someone messed up entering the orders, since they were all human entered back then. Also, by the time someone found out, it was probably too late to build more '67s. Someone at the plant probably thought it was strange, but they were special ordered for Canada and someone probably thought it was for a special run.

Has anyone seen Sear's '67 Pace Car give away car from back then ?? It was a base V-8 Camaro with the Pace Car decals on it . . . A Chevy dealer told me that back then it wasn't a big deal to add those decals and sell it as a Pace Car and get in on the Pace Car hype. No one thought of them as collector editions like we do today . . .

I still say that someone screwed up on those Canadian small block pacers . . . https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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There was an article in Muscle Car Review I think about 10 years ago on the Sears give away car. I beleive it was somewhere in the Carolinas at the time. It was a pacesetter originally but now (then) was sporting the Pace Car decal set. I'll see if I can dig the article out tonight after work.

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Speaking of 67 Pace Cars....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2455837813

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A seemingly legit HOT ROD Pacecar..Oh boy..You know at the rate these pop up ( At least two new ones per year)I wonder how many there really are? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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I have VIN's for almost 100 '67 Pace Cars from the Norwood Ohio plant, built between 03C and 04D. About 1/3 being 0-1 festival cars. I also have 34 Van Nuys Pace cars and all of them being C-1 cars. Add the 20 Canadian cars and I would guess that some 300 Pace cars were built in 1967.

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I have a black and white picture about 8 1/2 x 11 inches in size of ten 67 Camaro Pace cars on the track at Mosport in Toronto for the Centennial Grand Prix . I took this picture myself. I will see if any markings are visible. It rained most of the day.
Tony

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Ok, all this Pace Car talk has me wanting to get my first Camaro back https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif So, what is a one owner '67 Canadian BB (L35) Pace Car worth - "driver" quality now with all numbers, 100,000 miles and had a good deal of previous rust that needs to be properly repaired - floor/trunk? The car needs to be totally restored but it is all there. Also, what is the going rate for Pace Cars these days? Thanks,

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See that's the dilema I'm in. I want a car I am not afraid to drive on weekends and sunny days. I really only have room for one classic car in my garage. My dream Camaro is in fact the 67 Pace Car, but I also want a 67 Z/28. Heck I'd even settle for an L35 or L78 4spd convertible SS... as long as it has the RS trim package. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif But if I would ever buy a pace car or Z/28, I would probably want a "driver" rather than a restored show car, correct?

Oh well... I can keep dreaming for now I guess. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Pace cars are as bad if not worse than Z28's. Driver quality 69 Small blocks are going for mid to upper 20's. Big blocks are in the mid 30's. Drivers in my book are better than 5 footers, nice paint and mechanicals, everything works, no visible rust, etc. Really nice versions or either with matching number drive trains can add another 7500 to 10K to those prices. Add more for odd options like Fiberoptics, 8 track, gauges etc.

I would give mine a value in the upper 20's (non matching number motor and trans) (28K probably) as an example. I've seen a few Z11's that look like they came from the bottom of the Atlantic ocean with no drivetrains going for 10K plus on Ebay in the last month.

67's don't come up anywhere as often as the 69's and there are a whole lot less of them so I would assume a driver small block is in the 30K range, big block in the 40K range and nicely restored matching numbers are another 10K. The skys the limit for documented Festival and the real pace cars in either year.

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Thanks Mark - I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I'll have to give that fellow a call later today and see what it would take to buy the car https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Mark,

What happened did you hit the lottery????

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After watching the Bar_Jac auction the MOD Pace car on E-Bay would have to bring at least 200,000??

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No, I wish! Actually, I have really been out of cars for the past 3.5 years doing my MBA - but now that I am finished...watch out! I have enough money in my "car fund" for 2 cars - so I am going to buy the first two that I like. I made a "short list" of cars that I hope to own some day and am looking for any of these cars - '67 Z-28, '70 LS6 Chevelle, '67 BB Corvette, '70 LT-1 Corvette...and maybe a '67 Pace Car now https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif It looks like my '67 Z deal isn't dead, so that car may taken off the list in a day or two https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif The Pace Car I know of could have been bought for about $20K 5 years ago, but I thought it was too much at the time. I'm quite sure he still owns it, but will find out today for sure.

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Mark,

Good luck!!! What colors and options does the Z have?

Mike

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Mike,

Can't tell you that until the deal is done since people reading have attempted to scoop me before, but it is very well optioned and has the best documentation that I have seen yet. I'll post a pic once we finalize the deal.

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Mark,

Best of luck! 2 questions.

Did you sell the L78?

What has happened to Rich McCabe? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

Mike

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Thanks Mike.

The Z deal is done, we're just trying to figure out how to structure payment etc. It's kind of a convoluted deal to be sure.

Yes, the L78 sold in about 10 hours! Troy did the interior and I put red lines on the car. It turned out really nice. The new owner has a bunch of Camaros including 3 '67 Z-28's!

I haven't heard from Rich in a long time. I heard he started up a new business and is tied up with that. I don't think he gets too involved with the Internet and Camaros any longer. Hopefully, he'll be back again in the future - he's a nice guy.

Take care,

Mark

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Mr Motion...PLEASE post the pix of the 67 Pacecars that you have!!!!!!!!!Thanks. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

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Mark, does that mean your L-78 went to colorado? Roger

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No, Washington.