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Lets see some pics of this thing [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Your welcome Matt, just waiting patiently for the pics. http://host.threadshosting.com/~yenk...s/headbang.gif

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just sent them tony,to your email, hopefully I don't suck as bad w/ a digital camera as I do with computers, I can always reshoot any you like http://host.threadshosting.com/~yenk...mlins/cool.gif

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Just sent you an e-mail Matt, there were no pic attachments.

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32% and couting, hang in there, I gotta sign off after transfer and get some sleep for work tomorrow, check out the pic of the copper tubing running from the master cylinder thru proportion valve to linelock (small black cylinder), wiped hard to get last 10 yrs dust off so you could pick up the orange color, we never seen it before. Oh forgot to mention the X66 your about to see also looks like hell because we got one more primer and wetsand to do before final paint and reassembly, I got a busy winter and need a bigger garage. seeya http://host.threadshosting.com/~yenk...ins/3gears.gif

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did this car happen to be Butternut yellow?
Sam

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Looks to be red w/ black interior, about to start taking off white topcoat to see where and what color the stripes are on this thing, they sprayed right over original paint, without sanding it off. Lucked out in digging for orig bill of sale as parts car when I bought it off guy in89' he left me bills of sale from neighbor he bought it off in 85, and his bill of sale from dealer who pulled the motor and tranny in81, looked on internet dealer still there same owner , I'm going to see if we can trace that motor down, also digged out 1980 NY registration showing owner and address, lists as 67 chev. camaro, 8Cyl, sport coupe, but vin is 12337etc. which means six, on back is stamp in 81 from Ny DMV stating registration is invalid when used in conjunction with number plate afixed hereupon, guy caught at this point had to sell it as parts car in Ma, last time driven was 80', gotta start making some calls. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif

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still trying to send those pics tony, we definitely know that its an orig ss/rs 396 4spd out of ny, just trying to see if its an orig 427 or if they blew the 396 between 67 and 70 and put in a 427, all the race options look vintage fo pre 1970, we had a slide we found in the glove box of a red ss/rs camaro at an old car show w/ racing rims, at the time we didn't think it was the car because it was white w/ blu paint codes, know that we're taking the fenders off and paint- She's red- I gotta keep digging for that slide now too. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Sounds like you are getting more and more information all the time Matt! No problem on the pics, get them to me when you can. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Hey Tony let me try sending them again. I sure would like to find out about the blue straight six camaro in new york that's got my tags, if someone like motion were to take out your whole L78 drivetrain for a race application 427 what would they do with it , sell it or give back to the owner who could then put it in -say a straight six- maybe switch tags when he got tired of them and sell the six as a numbers matching L78 and the 427 as is since the factory 427s he installed had no vins- probably wouldn't lose any value on resale, and a big profit on the six. Maybe?? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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That would be great if you could find out about that other 67 Camaro, and see if your tags are on it. As for the L78's that were taken out of converted 427 Camaro's, etc, I don't think they were given to the owners of the car, unless they wanted them.
If the owner did take the L78 engine with him and put it in a 6 cyclinder Camaro, then he would have to take the vin plate and cowl tag off the 427 camaro in order to make it an orginal and numbers matching car, then that would leave the B/M 427 with no identification. I don't think it was to common for an owner to take the pulled L78, since this was the 60's and they weren't concerned about a numbers matching car back then, only power and racing mostly. JMO

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When the owner sold the B/M 427 car, he would have to come up with a 8 cylinder cowltag and vin# plate, since the 6 cylinder tags wouldn't work on a 427 Camaro, etc.

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What's the complete cowl tag show? Depending on the date and option codes it will help to identify what it was originally. Sounds like the VIN tag and title are not legit for the car. The hidden VIN will tell you what the car really is. Then you could try to get a title issued with that VIN.

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Hi Jeff, Matt Murphy helped me with cowl and vin they are both off the same straight six, the ss hood was switched for the six's flat other than that they left everything else, From that we were able to confirm she was a ss/rs/bb 4spd, who finally got caught w/ the wrong tags and was lastdriven in80', I'm contacting the dealer who popped her 427 and tranny( the way she set up w/ this monster rear I'm guessing its probably going to involve some sneider race options mated up to the motor, just trying to see if she's an orig 396 or 427. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Partial VIN will only tell the make, Year, Build plant and the cars sequence number which will allow you do determine the model It will not say if it was a V8 or 6 cylinder car
Example: 19N555555 1= Chevy 9= 1969 N= Norwood and 555555= Camaro since the 69 model year started with 5xxxxx. You will have to have the complete VIN to determine if it was a V8 car along with the orginal Cowl Tag to determine if the car was a BB car ( if after Dec Build date for Norwood) If the Partial VIN is 19L555555 you will not be able to tell what the car was in regards to it being a big block car due to Los Angeles having no "X" codes on the Cowl Tag.

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67 would only be a 396 BB car if it turns out to be a BB SS Car. No Factory 427 67's How many coils do the hood springs have?

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Boy, that makes it tough then. What's the partial VIN? You should be able to look at that and determine what time frame the car was actually built. Then you will know if it's a late enough car to be a big block or too early.

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Well if the number 7N227311 holds up then its a Yenko (go figure) she's on the 107 nhra list between two others that are also on the yenko list of 54, but we been wire brushing so long we guessed the last number off what we cleaned up all the others are clearly legible the last has a straight part to but could be 5 or 9 can't get top and bottom clean yet to see where and if she bends, could end up both lists if it changes from a 1, We're gonna have to pull the heater box to get a good look at the number- almost there https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Great find if it turns out to be real Yenko. Just like the 69 that popped up on Ebay recently. It's great to find some of these lost cars.

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Thanks how much did the 69 go for, any idea what a 67 red RS yenko 427, 4 spd with line lock and ladder bars would go for, found the dealer who pulled the motor and tranny in 81 he's out till Monday but said he either has it in one of his old drag vetts or knows with paperwork who he sold it too, keepin' my fingers crossed. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Still waiting to see pics... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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its 229711 on cowl & box not224711 its late and a lot of ozs. later

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Well if the number 7N227311 holds up then its a Yenko (go figure) she's on the 107 nhra list between two others that are also on the yenko list of 54, but we been wire brushing so long we guessed the last number off what we cleaned up all the others are clearly legible the last has a straight part to but could be 5 or 9 can't get top and bottom clean yet to see where and if she bends, could end up both lists if it changes from a 1, We're gonna have to pull the heater box to get a good look at the number- almost there


[/ QUOTE ] Were you able to get the heater box off and come up with the final VIN ?

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Sent pics to MrT It's 227311(Same # under heaterbox cover)
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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What a find! congrats https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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227305 is Yenko # YS719 sold at Jay Kline Chevrolet..227311 is pretty close.

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Thanks copo, what do you think do I dare restore it myself or should I send it down the street to Hyannis Restoration. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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Wow that is awsum...Mr.T....don't hold out on us...post those VIN pics...

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Ed C says shes from central chevrolet on his list, thanks to all who helped in id'n her. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

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Guys, I have tried to post Matt's (berger's) pics of his 67 Camaro, but the files are too big. Tried to reduce the size of the pictures, but didn't work. Matt might try and post them.

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Too big gotta go through a server or homepage, sent them to 454 maybe he swing it tomorrow, got alot more. Sent Vin , front end w/ 4 pistons on rotors w/extended studs for race rims, copper tubed linelock off master cyl. and proportion valve, gotta reshoot ladder bars on monoleafs (too dark) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Berger,
Can I ask a question please, I thinks it is great that the numbers point towards it being a Real car,

but I dont understand where there is no concern that it has the wrong Vin tag and Cowl tag on the car??? Unless I misunderstood how the posts went??? someone changed those for a reason and I doubt it was because they had paperwork on two cars and felt the need, Next question so if it is a stolen car from many moons ago, who is the real owner of the car?? the Bank, Ins Co., Former owner that lost it or you.

How does one go about clearing up the tags without loseing the car to local law enforcement???.

Bud.

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First off you had better check the NCIC records for stolen for a start. I would also check each nearby states stolen list and if it is then that car doesn't belong to you... Period.... !!!! Sorry but it is just that simple. You may try to find out who the person that it was stolen from and if they received money from a Insurance Co. and if that is the case you might have a chance of purchacing it from the Insurance Co. They are not hard to work with! Remember $$$$ Talks... Other wise you could loose it two years from now when it is at a car show and the feds walkin and take it as a stolen car or altered Vin. You loose everything you did to it --- PERIOD...!!! If I were you I would recomend that you do your research first before you ever start to spend much $$$ on it.

Years ago, I had a '61 315 hp big gas tank SCCA vette that i sold ('66) and the guy later stripped it of the injector and such and put it in a strip pit somewhere. The worse part is he won't tell me where. It now belongs to some Insurance Co. but he still won't tell me where it went. Boy do I wish I had never got rid of that one. I got a bad case of 396 fever and traded it to him for a 66 SS396 supersport chevelle. Stupidest thing I think I ever did back then. But if I could find it I would have to be very careful as the Insurance co. could come in and claim it after it was all fixed up again and not have to repay me for all my work.

The point that I am trying to make is be very carefull if the Vin tag is off some other car as that is a Federal crime for you to do anything with it..!!!! even if it is the wrong one. In fact it could cause you some trouble just for having it in your possession with the wrong vin plate or one that is altered and not notify the proper authorities.

If they find out, you can loose that car very easy to the feds or some insurance co. Also the original owner that it was stolen from if no insurance co paid off on it may still be the righfull owner and you could loose it two or three years from now and you will loose everything ($$$) you put in it.

Trust me that happened to me on a '69 Z-28 and a '65 Vette in the past. They will walk in and take it from you.... PERIOD...!!!! If you protest you will go too..!!!!

You also have a real problem with it since the original Vin is missing you will not be allowed to reproduce it back to original - legally. Then it will have a state assigned # plate which has no resemblense to the original # and that will kill some of the higher value that the car has.

I just wanted to share some of the things I have ran into over the years with collector vettes that I have bought innocentely when I had a car lot. In fact you could go to jail for hiding it and not reporting it.

So Please be carefull .... I am not so sure that you should post too much on it in a public forum till you find out if you are the rightfull owner... ?? You may be innocent of anything to do with the cars past but you just never know. No mater what? I want to wish you "Good Luck" with it and trust me I am jealious....

Wish it was mine.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif Camaro's are my second love next to a Vette. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Feel free to call me if you want to chat more about this.

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Mr Berger, mighty quiet, are ya locked up on the Rock??? do we need to send James Bond to bust ya out????.

Bud.

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All vins on car came back clean in national registry database, Car is clean, they must of beat the bag out of it for 13 yrs and blew her up, then parted her out, I bought her as parts for my 327 coupe resto, whew!!!!!!!! Just got confimation 5 mins ago, so sorry , do you like apples? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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WELL HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Great I will call Bond and tell him you are just fine, glad to here it came back clean, still dont understand why someone went to the trouble to trade tags around??? I dont know who your source was but I would make darn sure its clean before selling or restoring it.

Bud.

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Would like to thank all in ID'n this ghost, got alot of accurate and quick info from alot of different sources, thanks to Matt Murphy, Joe C, Marlin , Copo, Chvy454, Mr.t (way to hang in for those pics), Charlie L, Hawaii , and any I may have missed, VINS clean thru registry check(family friend) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif Looks like she was unclaimed and sold at police auction in 80, probably insured, bounced around collecting dust since we dug her up out of the grave, Hope I can lean on you guys for more great advice in restoring her, we'll keep you posted and continue to send pics, will probably have to go to Yenko forum I guess, YS 722, SWEET. Thanks again

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Mr T.. Send me those pics and I'll get them up here. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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Ed,

I sent you an e-mail containing pictures of Matt's (bergers) 67 Camaro.

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Just as long as you are sure that the clean bill of health came throught a real policeman that used the NCIC crime database you should be safe. You do understand that you still have a big problem don't you? You do not have the original vin number plate. There is a federal law that you are in big trouble if you remove the vin off a car and put it on another. I sure hope you ran both Vin's. You didn't hear this from me but if there are someone out there that is making a real good copy of the factory vin # then you just might want to explore trying to get the proper one or one that looks good enough to fool someone in law enforcment into thinking it is the original Vin plate. Just remember that the NCIC may not have been working back when this car may have been first stolen and I would do a manual search of any states old records that may predate the NCIC or you may regrette it. There has got to be a "REASON" why the vin # is missing and has one from another car on it.

What ever state that the records you were refering about is a good place to start. You don't want someone that used to own the car to come up and claim it out from under you. If it was ever stolen befor the NCIC came into use and it didnot get updated to those files that person still has legal right to that car and all your hard work. Be totally sure of any of your sources that you are relying on and be sure to get it in writing and keep it in a file on the car and never throw it away no mater how many years later it is.