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Do you have a pic of this car you can post?

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I seriously doubt a stripe delete would entail dashes in the paint code.

Personally, my head hurts. While I have not been a poster boy for eloquence and clarity, I am unsure what is so difficult to understand. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

On a related note, check out this auction: 1970 GTO [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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IF YOU WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THE PHS REAL CLOSELY ON THAT YELLOW GOAT ON EBAY,YOU WOULD NOTICE THE Y2 IN THE COLOR BOX [ TOP LEFT CORNER] THAT COLOR IS SIERRA YELLOW,WHICH IS A PALE YELLOW COMMONLY USED IN 70. GOLDENROD YELLOW HAS A W CODE [51] FIREBIRD ONLY COLOR! I CAN SCAN THAT INFO IF ANYBODY CARES. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]

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This is a long long and popular story - - [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

GoldenRod Yellow



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My eyesight is not good enough to see the color code. Thanks for clearing it up. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img]

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If you look at the known Chevrolet information, the -- is known as a stripe delete paint code. But the -- is also a non-standard color which might be from another division of GM or even a custom color like the Carolina Blue. The -- paint code is not an obvious designation for "special paint". Please go to www.camaros.org and read up on it and you will understand what I'm referring to. Maybe on a Judge it meant a non-standard color as well. Nothing is obvious about it so why make a statement like that.

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Jeff, while it is much appreciated and very interesting to hear that a stripe delete Camaro would have its paint code deleted from the data plate, I hope you understand I am not the first person to get something wrong, obvious or otherwise. Like Judgeragtop, I am here to learn.

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HI, The camaro does not belong to me saw it @ some local shows. I did see the 2 dashes on plate. I'll try to get some pics after we get back into show weather. we now have 12 inches of snow on ground. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

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I'm not trying to pound it in the ground, I just like to see what were talking about. I never did get over that picture thing as a kid.

One picture is better than a thousand words, or something like that.

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HI, I agree, I was lucky my car was never painted. Where ever I look- under carpet in tunk hinges etc is the yellow.I know w/the - - could could really paint it any color & be "ok", unless you know for sure the orig. color. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

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Hi, you seem to be quite aware of this paint saga. Would you agree my car has the - - because of the Daytona Yellow(non Judge paint) My build sheet shows an * for paint color.I thought it was interesting, the door jam had a written message of this"special" paint. I can't believe how much interest the Judges have got lately. I really look forward to some day getting my (1 of 12)70 RAIV/4spd judge convt done. It is #75 Cardinal Red &amp; has white top. I guess that is same as chev <font color="yellow"> </font> [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]y.

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Don is correct. The sierra yellow looks like a tan. The Gto on ebay is not originally the yellow it wears now. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

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I think Sierra Yellow is the same as Gobi Beige. Don?

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yes i believe that is what chevrolet called it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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Oops . . . I meant Mr. Copo above, as he posted the color chips, but it's all good! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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I was wondering if any new 70 RAIV Judge converts have come to surface? It seems as 4 sticks &amp; 6 autos accounted for. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif <font color="red"> </font>

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Just checking to see if any more of the 12 1970 RAIV Judge converts have come to the surface? Counting mine there have only been 4 documented. thanks https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Did anyone see the 70 black RAIII Judge convt. do 180k!!!!@ Mecham auction. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif WOW!!!

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Yep...sure did...Colin brushed his teeth with ultra white to smilr after that auction... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/laugh.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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I'm sure he could buy a toothpaste factory. It was an OK car, orig. had sandalwood top &amp; inter. I'm sure he had nice paint on it! Wonder what a raiv would now do? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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It was a nice car....yesterday was a perfect day to own it around here too !

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Today is Even better.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Hey, even in "PITTS"burgh the sun is shinning! Wish my my raiv Judge convert. could shine too! Well, maybe when I hit lottery, I can restore it to the level it deserves!!!!!
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There is a 1970 RAIV convert for sale recently.

There were only 5 RAIV 1969 Judge convertibles.
I have one of them.
I am bringing it to the www.musclecarrace.com July 24th Englishtown.

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Nice, should be a fun time!
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Hey Gonzo: have you had the RAIV down the track yet? Care to share some ET/MPH info?? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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Eric,
I am glad you can call the car I sold an "OK" car, without ever having seen the car since it was restored. Yes, it did originaly have Sandalwood interior and top. That fact was clearly mentioned by me in the auction catalog and to every prospective buyer that looked at it.It didn't bother me , or the buyer. I actually prefered it being a black interior and top.

I respect your opinion, and those of other members of this group. However , I respectfully ask that before passing judgement (no pun intended) on any of my cars , how much they are worth or are not worth, or my personal financial standing that you please get some first hand knowledge of anything you care to comment on.

Value (percieved or real) of ANYTHING in life only matters in the owner's eye when you really get down to it. On the day I sold my car , the new owner felt it was worth what he bid , and I felt I was getting a fair value for all of my efforts in making the car what it was , so we had a deal.

If you are truly interested in seeing what your RAIV Judge convertible is worth for real, take it to a first rate restoration shop , have it restored to #1 condition , and then enter it in an auction and let it "sit on the money" as they say. There are plenty of fine restorers such as Aloha/Imagine , Tiemann , Gary Thurlow, etc.. that would all be happy to take $100k give or take to get your car done to the level that I had mine done to.

At that point, we can compare prices on a hard loaded, good color , 4 spd w/ A/C RAIII Convert to a RAIV convert and see what the difference really is in the real world.

I will promise you this, for both your benifit and the buyer's , if this day should ever come I will reserve any comment on the condition of your car unless I have personally inspected it at the time of the sale.

As always, you are more than welcome to come here and look at any of my cars in person at any time. I'll even give you a tour of the toothpaste factory.

Regards,
Colin

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I agree Colin..I witnessed both the car and the auction......when the car rolled in there was quite a stir and the bidding got hot...beautiful car and restoration...and honestly described...

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Hey Rob, I haven't driven the RAIV convert down the track yet. I have 2 other RAIV hardtop cars.One a Judge hardtop.
Both automatic cars.
The Judge RAIV hardtop runs about 13.30's consistently, although in cool air last year it ran a 13.06@105 mph. However this is with drag radials in an otherwise pure stock configuration. It seems consistent with what RAIV cars are running at the pure stock drags. 3.90 gears

The other hardtop GTO RAIV car, ran exactly the same as the Judge above, so I got bored with it. And I put headers on it, just to see how much better they were than the RAIV manifolds. It picked up 4 tenths!! I was surprised, it ran a 12.68@107 in cool October air here last year. Not bad for a motor I have yet to even take apart yet. Didn't even re-jet the carb! But that was under exceptional conditions.

Again the RAIV convert hasn't been down the track yet, (don't want to break anything) but I am assuming it will run 13.40-60's maybe? I am tempted actually to take it once before the July 24th race just to see if it will run well http://www.musclecarrace.com/Sept 03-steveP and Me.jpg .

Thats my Judge and my previous car and LS6 Chevelle , which I sold.

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Those are some pretty good times there, Gonzo! And 4 tenths just from bolting up headers...WOW!! Kinda makes ya wish ya didn't know how bad those manifolds were hurtin' ya, huh?!?

I envy you and the rest of the FS/FAST cars that make it out to the July 24th event. I've heard for years that E-town is arguably the best ET/MPH track around, as well as a nice a facility...but it's a rediculously long haul from here! Good luck to you and the rest of the guys going, though! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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Thanks Again Rob, I'll try to do my best, just actually just wanna see all the other cool cars that will be there.

As far as Judge Convertibles go. I just sold my 69' Judge Convertible RAIII 4spd car. I did very well. So I know what they go for. This was the car I just sold. At one time I had 4 69' Judges. I have 2 now. Both RAIV cars. SO MUCH faster than RAIII's and standard GTO motors. Although I love all Pontiacs. &lt;BR&gt;
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Your Yenko is an awesome car itself.

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OK, it´s not a Judge. But I was reading a Swedish magazine tonight, Power magazine, and they had an article about a -70 RAM AIR IV GTO. Lars Sundeborn, a Swedish guy living in Santa Ana saw an ad in the Los Angeles Times back in -79 and bought the car. It´s a silver fourspeed convertible.

There is also a -70 RAM AIR IV GTO hardtop in Sweden. This one is gold. I´ve seen it on several meetings.It´s been restored to perfect condition.
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Anders

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Ram Air IV AD------------ https://www.yenko.net/attachments/86075-judge.jpg

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Colin, I see my crumb illicts a full course meal from you. Someone said something about your bright teeth after the sale, harmless, but jump on him if you want.
Price, it was an auction, sale price disclosed to anyone. Alot of people discuss cars @ these high profile sales, as do I. OK,short for Oklahoma, as I had looked @ that car back in 1996, think that is where it was then. I'm intouch w/prev. owner who inspected it, &amp; told me what he thought. I'm sure it was a great car.
Not taking anything away from any RAIII cars, but you're a car salesman, so what ever engine, option etc your car has, it's the best @ that time. I'm sure all the people on this site would agree, a RAIII&lt;RAIV. Would you say a Z-28 is =to ZL1? Or an SS 396=LS6
100k resto?, that's some resto, out of my league.

No raiv judge convert= to a RAIII in value, your a good salesman, but that's a tough sale! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Wow what color of 70 raiv? I saw a black auto convert in Phili, was that it?
Mine is a 70 red raiv 4spd.
Yours looks great!, Is the convert done? Saw one came out of Ariz. in 87, but never saw the PHS. Have fun racing! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Eric,
Again, with all due respect, my post was not an attack on you, nor was it in any way trying to convey that a RAIII car is worth anything near a RAIV car! My point, which I feel you have missed, was that in response to YOUR question of basically "If Colin's RAIII car is worth this, what is my RAIV convert worth NOW". My comment was that it would be quite interesting to compare the difference in values IF you could find a RAIV convert restored to the same level as my RAIII car,and offer it for sale in a similar venue.

Also, I had made the point that your comment of the car being "OK" was perhaps unfair , as YOU have not seen the car since its restoration - a quite exhaustive and expensive one I might add. If there was a previous owner of the car at the auction, he did not introduce himself to me. I would have loved to talked to him. However, that still does not change the fact that you did not see it - unless, of course, you guys share eyeballs https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

Finally, as far as what I veiw as being derragatory remarks as to my being a "car salesman" , yes , I do sell cars. I also collect and keep more than I sell. I have sold a good number of cars to members of this site , and I am sure that they would agree that I am a lousy "salesperson". I let the cars sell themselves, and some cars I could have sold dozens of times over, but I keep them. Why is that? Because I am as much as a car nut as anybody on this board. I simply have to sell some cars to make money to keep some, simple as that!

I have to say that all appearances aside, you seem to be a better salesman than me. Haven't I been reading posts (this thread included) about your cars and how much they are worth for a long time? I don't think I ever made a post about my black Judge convertible.I also recall speaking to you on the phone a few times when you were selling ME cars - or at least brokering them.

And yes, $100k is what it takes to do a good resto these days with real parts and show paint. I'd love to see your cars done like this at some point, they deserve it.

My invitation still stands, you are more than welcome to come to my place at any time and poke around.I think you'd enjoy it.

Best regards,
Colin

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There is currently a 70 RA IV conv undergoing a complete frame off and I believe that the current asking price is $699,000. With the price going up as per current trends. Here is the link 70 RA IV conv. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif

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Colin, really nothing wrong w/selling cars, it's how you make a living. As far as value, that is really subjective, my thought is something worth what someone else will pay for it. Your Judge, must of been worth what you got for it, as two people had to bid it to that level. I'm sure it was nice, I saw pics awhile back in unrestored. Not sure if it was a frame off or on now. There was a guy there, who had the car from early 80s, I just went on his opinion.
Yes I did turn you to a deal, not offered any of my personal cars. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif
I've had 1 car done to a concourse level. My 69 raiv TA, is really standout, as I've been told by some very noteworthy collectors. Guess I have good deal w/shop I use.
I will say I'm glad too see these pontiacs finaly receive the recognition they deserve, should I ever decide to part w/any,real prices are being set now! I did see a 70 black RAIV auto car @ 699k!! It will be interesting to see what it really sells for. Not to take anything away from Hemi Cuda converts, but I believe w/production figures close, a raiv convert Judge should be valued atleast 1/2! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Judgeragtop.."It was an OK car, orig. had sandalwood top &amp; inter. I'm sure he had nice paint on it!" When I read that statement I took it a a kind of slam. Yet you made it without even seeing but just going on someone elses opinion. I have seen cars that Colin has put up for sale and everyone I have seen I would be proud to own. I am not a expert on every nut and bolt of all the brands but his efforts on fit and finish are second to none when he gets done with them. You may have restored your 69 TA for alot less than the 100K talked about but I bet it was done with Friends, a few years ago and it took awhile. You cannot run a business , restore a # of cars and get them done in a timely manner by relying on Friends. You would quickly run out of Friends. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/Charley.gif

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Charley Lillard... Thanks for comming to the"rescue" of Colin. Colin is a car salesman, nothing wrong w/that, that is his profession, but collectors &amp; sellers sometimes differ in descriptions.
Wow, I just said car had nice paint, as that was info relayed to me. I would not call that a slam. I'm sure the car was nice, not perfect that's my opinion. None are really perfect.
I don't reply to your responses to posts, &amp; don't recall asking for your critique of mine.
My 69 RAIV TA is a highly done total resto, Phil will attest to it's quality. Not perfect, but I try to always fine tune it. I did farm out all mechanics/plating/ &amp; found all nos myself, &amp; did total diassembly. I have a new shop I deal with, $35 per hr, excell paint, best I've seen. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif