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O.K., Let's all hug now, and, respect that we ALL have our areas of expertise. No matter what this car NEEDS, it is a really neat & rare piece. It's certainly one that I would be proud to own. Peace!!
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I AGREE! LETS MOVE ON! The car in muscle car review is awesome! I would push my 70 LS5 Chevelle into Lake Michigan for that one! I have personally met both reduce and Mr70. They are BOTH very knowledgeable car guys. Both went out of their way to help me with inspecting or questions about my Chevelle with no gain other than helping another car guy.
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Redeuce...Thanks for the clarification. The no smog part or heat shields doesn't bother me. I know what it takes to replace it. I would prefer a Good set of Headers anyway. Even a Crummy set come to think of it. Debated doing that to a ZL1 but I might get hanged.
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You'd get a big "atta boy" from me Charley. We all know the ZL1 heads couldn't breath with those stock manifolds. Go for it!!
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Well, we sure made a long thread here, and as always, information was exchanged that was maybe not known by everyone. Seriously, I found out today that he is selling the car. Call or email me and I'll pass his phone number along. If you can strike a deal, great. OK Now that's over, are you kicking me out or can I visit once in the while?
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You can stay but you have to buy my 1980 Motion Camaro . [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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I'll tell you what-go to www.nofearmotorsports.com and look at my '56. I wouldn't mind doing some trading for either a good Z or something interesting. Any trade would have to be an even or me getting money back. I don't have any money. On Saturdays and Sundays I take my wife to stranger's weddings for the free dinners.
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I don't think this car is a mystery car anymore!!Now I see how some of you guys can afford all the nice cars,going to strangers weddings to eat! I am looking in the paper now for this weekends weddings.Maybe I can save a buck or 2 and get my car finished.Of course its not a SUPER CAR,just a plain ole SS so I shouldn't have to save much to finish it.Some of you other guys post some money saving secrets like reduece,it might help some others out [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]
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Hey Charley, I heard somewhere that GM didn't even bother trying to design new exhaust manifolds for the ZL1 as no one could possibly ever consider running one that way.
I think it was in a Kum-by-ya verse lead by SixtiesMuscle [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] I just lost my desire to keep the smog set up and stock manifolds when a Hugger Orange 1969 Camaro with ZL1 emblems on the fenders and a Blue small block stoker Nova humiliated me during a stop light confrontation just recently. I did however take out my frustration on a late Model 5.0 Mustang and 396 Chevelle on the way back home. |
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I also have considered when my LS6 is finally framed off (when ever I can find the $, and Rick Nelson can find the time...) doing a "day two" type retoration (headers, maybe a set of Cragers, an actual oil pressure gauge, etc). I really wonder why we don't see more cars done this way. It allows you to enjoy your car, get better performance, and still keep the value, since you hang onto the original dated parts. I get kinda tired of going to car shows and seeing people argue over what is technically correct anyway.
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Pete's ZL-1 seems to do very well through the stock, untouched manifolds! I would call low 12s on Polyglass and through manifolds doing "pretty damn well"[img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]! Heck, his yellow COPO Chevelle ran 12.80s(?) with the stock manifolds and working smog setup!
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Rob,your right about Pete's car.I have some video of it at Norwalk ( in the box lighting the tires ) and the sound is incredible......
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You Pure Stock Drag Super Car guys are the exception which proves the rule.
What COPO Pete and a few others have been able to accomplish is truely inspiring [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] |
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And why is he running Polyglas on a 69 ZL1 ? I have yet to find a orig. Polyglas tire on a 69 Camaro. 12's are pretty neat with exhaust manifolds but I hate to think about the time spent getting the car to the point where it does that.
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[img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img] I really don't understand why people think it takes a lot of time to get a car in the 12's. Anycar that goes 108 mph is capable of 12's. My Chevelle, which still had the spiral shocks on it, original drivtrain, was in the 12's by the third time to the track. My orange Camaro was in the 12's by the second time to the track, and my white Camaro has seen nothing but 12's. Good exhaust and gearing is the ticket, but valve lash, timing and carb adjustments are very important. Driving is half the battle. I would do John Force burnouts all the way down the track if not careful. Your ass has to feel the rear tires, and learn to lift the foot ever so slightly and get back in it at the right time! When Jimmy and I were at a track once with a gentleman that was having troubles getting his ZL-1 to do the #'s, we dicked with it for 40 minutes for him..... picked up 8 mph and half a second. Not much time spent there!
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I would agree....I know from personal experience that really any of the solid lifter cars are legitimate 12 sec rides off the showroom floor. The problems I think tend to be most people don't keep their cars properly tuned (let's face it a lot of these cars are rarely driven), and a lack of 1/4 mile driving skills. Also gearing and carb jetting are important as well...
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Well said, Pete. Our Camaro has been flirting with 108 mph for a while now, and we just can't seem to get over the hump. A couple of high 107s at Stanton, but nothing better. Maybe the new exhaust will help. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
Believe me, fellas. If I can get a car in the 12s, then anyone can do it! Our Camaro went consistent 13.20s (and I mean bracket car consistent) with the tired engine the first year at Stanton, but the mph was down at around 104. With a decent exhaust, and a clue as to what we were doing, I think 12s would have happened. |
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Hello Greg
You will be seeing more of the "Day Two" trend in the future. The Mopar Nationals has a nostalgia class for cars with period correct speed equipment and participation has been just about doubling every year. People are tired of having their red Chevelle next to 12 identical ones at a show. I buy and sell old speed parts and the stuff from the late '60's and early '70's is being gobbled up. People restored their cars 4-8 years ago and do not want to sell them but want something new. However, they don't want to put 17" polished torq thrust on them. Day Two gives them a challenge of hunting for the old parts just like looking for an OEM date coded part. Plus it's how most of them remember how the cars ACTUALLY looked from their youth. Dave |
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Dave,
I could not agree more. I have seen a big increase in requests to "add" on a few items to the restoration such as Cragers, headers and Sun Tachs. I think restorations have excelled over the years and have gotten to a point where one car doesn't really stand out from the rest anymore. This has given people a new opportunity to venture down another avenue such as "day 2" cars. I recently located an old drag car that was still wearing all it's original '70's racing garb from the cool can to the welded on ladder bars and axel tubes. Rather that restore the car to original, I felt this would make a great day 2 car but in it's drag clothes instead of street clothes and possibly even racing the car complete with original sponsor decals. I too must admit that searching out these old racing parts has put a lot of the "fun" back into the project somewhat like the good ole days walking through bone yards and locating that elusive part. Rick |
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I agree 100%..I think the hunting up of these older speed parts can be just as rewarding as finding a dated set of manifolds. I remember back in the late '80's talking to guys that were spending ridiculous amounts of money restoring some of the old race cars back to showroom condition, and thinking it really didn't take that much effort in some cases to open a catalog and order a complete car (especially in the case of the Camaro...). I applaud guys like Bill Porterfield that in my mind made it cool to have a rare car that wasn't showroom original. I think the "day 2" trend will grow, especially as more people realize how fun it is, and how much more the cars can be driven. I would suspect that shows will start to include the catagory as well.
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You are correct citing the popularity of the day 2. And kudos to all for recognizing the importance of these cars in the hobby. Don't forget that many restos that were done in the late 80's and early 90's were limited in availability of nos and oem parts. There was no Ebay and most catalogues were limited. A perfect example-Mopars have realized the biggest jump in value over the last five years- 12,000 B Bodies are now 20,000 and E Bodies are through the roof.
The primary reason for this is the 3 inch thick Year One catalogue, Legendary Interiors, and Just Dashes. Also, the typical buying public is now looking for a turn key car in the 15,000 to 20,000 bracket. Unfortunately, that rules out a concourse correct car in most cases. As an interesting side note, after examining the receipts, we discovered the Orange LS6 in the mid 70's had a hang on AC unit put on by the owner. We almost hung one back on just because that was how the original owner had the car set up. |
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I to think "day two" cars are going to be the thing. It makes your car a lot more fun to drive and sets it apart from the rest I recently added to my stock appearing Chevelle SS LS5 454 a set of Crager SS's, sun super tach, Richmond 3.73 gear, Headman headers, and vintage speed part decals to the side windows. I probably drive my car harder and a lot more that 90% of most muscle car owners considering I still have the original drive train in my car. Before I would never dream of doing this to thiss type of car. 8,000 miles since 3/01! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]
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Dave, you and I both share the same outlook on the "day two" cars. I was wondering how that was doing at the Mopar Nationals. Sounds like it was a great idea and one that our Camaro club has been kicking around for a while. We had about 5 or 6 cars show up last year that were done exactly that way and we ended up splitting the 67-9 modified class into two categories. Those cars could not compete against a "fully" modified car with aftermarket suspension, brakes, 18" billet wheels, etc. Tim Lopata showed up with a bone stock base 69 Camaro with Cragar S/S wheels and Goodyear Polyglas tires!..................RatPack.................
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Rat Pack
I've talked with 4-5 guys over the last year who are building cars for the Mopar Nats Nostalgia class. Aluminum slots are in big demand, early '70's Direct Connection stuff, finned valve covers, early Edelbrock/Weiand intakes, Sun gauges etc. I plan on going there this year to check it out. The trend within Day Two that I have been noticing lately is the use of more correct parts. In the past guys would be happy with a chrome Autogage tach on the steering column and call it the nostalgic look or non correct Lakewood bars from the Jegs/Summit catalog. Now they are looking for the early style "long tail" Lakewood bars, M/T B/B Valve covers with the 427 script etc. When people are calling they are asking for very specific parts. For you people not sure what parts to use check out the old mags or catalogs. Here is Dave's shortlist of what NOT to use on your Day Two mobile: 1. Fuzzy dice, Halibrand wheels, polished torq thrust, anything Moon (including decals, tachs, valve covers etc Moon was a '50's very early '60's deal and was negated to a "has been" company status by the late '60's), Chrome VDO or Autogage tach on the steering column, Sun Super Tach II, Suntune or Sun Pro gauges, dice valve stems, Clay Smith woodpecker decals, any year NHRA event repo participant decals, weenie size tires on the rear, mismatch of modern day and oldstyle parts, radial tires... espcialy when they say Toyo, Michelin etc on them, anything blue anodized, modern day Grant steering wheels that try to look like the old style Grant wheels but with the "modern touch", lowered cars...grow some balls and put the cars back up where they should be.. a little higher than stock, front and rear is even better yet (Mark Hassett's '69 Chevelle has the right stance), any chrome dress-up item from the latest GM performance parts catalog -especially if it has a chevy bow tie emblem on it. Ratpack, do you have any more to add?? Dave |
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I think if more national clubs and shows accepted the "day 2" car,there would probably be an even greater interest. I sometimes wonder with the increased interest in our hobby, and subsequently the increased cost of it why more people don't look to "day 2" cars as a good alternative. It makes me wonder sometimes about the rational about buying dated parts off the internet or shows, and paying outrageous prices then finding out that they are re-stamps anyway.
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I feel the need to express an opinion here...
Original is only original once, right? If a car has the original motor, tranny, rear end but all new fenders, floor pans, trunk pan, interior, quarters, paint, etc. Is it original? If a car has all the original body parts but a NOM motor is it less valuable? If a person has a heart transplant isn't he the same person? My feeling is that if you have a REAL car it should matter less as to whether all the parts are original but more that it reflects that nostalgia that we bought them for in the first place. I know I was a senior in high school when my car was built and that means more to me than whether it has the original engine or not. I spend hours with this car that I don't even consider spending with my late model Suburban. I sell used cars for a living and bought a brand new 98 C-5 Corvette that was a truly awesome car and sold it six months later for a small profit cause it was a depreciating asset. The endless pursuit of originality is really a fruitless effort cause it still won't be "original". I believe that sometimes we as the enthusiasts create some of the things we complain about. For example... replaced VINS and cowl tags, bogus or reproduced documentation, restamped components, people selling cars as "numbers matching" when they truly aren't, etc. To me a "real" classic car that is restored to bring back the age to those of us that appreciate them is a blessing and should be considered as such. I have no problem with and agree that the best representations of these cars should bring a premium and also realize that the almighty dollar is what drives the fakes and cheats. Bottom line is, I guess, that I, personally, don't care whether that "Mystery Chevelle" has its original smog equipment or heat shields over the spark plugs or whatever, it is an awesome piece of classic machinery that ain't gonna be reproduced! Same way I feel about my Camaro and all you other guys cars. I wish as a prerequisite of registration evryone had to post pictures of their cars. I would love to see them!!!!!! Thanks for letting me vent. |
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Great post 69. That's why there is popularity in all categories- unrestored original, restored original, modified, custom, pro street, and race car. A butt for every seat. Now if the judged shows would adopt a standard class breakdown, it would prevent a lot of disgruntled car owners. My car is a street driven, 785 hp, blown, fully tubbed,rollcage, etc. and sometimes is competing in a "Modified 1900-1960" class that throws in everything that is not stock. A basically stock car with just a transplant engine and chrome wheels, a custom car, race car, and pro street all compete against each other.
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I agree that there needs to be some kind of consistency in the judged car shows and i think Super Chevy is one of the best of doing that, however even they will put you in street class if you have the wrong valve covers. Seems ridiculous for a basically stock car to have to compete with a truly custom car cause it has bright valve covers doesn't it? Or for your car to compete against street rods?
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I also think Super Chevy does a pretty good job at judging, they have certain guide lines that they must follow or there would be chaos when putting cars in classes, when they say stock they mean it, if you have the wrong wheels or even an aftermarket tach you will be in a modified class. There has been much discussion on here about the Yenko cars being put in street class, I don't totally agree with there reasoning, but they do have a point on what and what did not come from the factory. It still boils down to "attention to detail" I have competed in the street class with a Yenko Chevelle and still won first place, so a lot of fancy chrome and wild paint jobs don't always win!
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That's the way I'm having my 69 JL8 restored, with the crossram, Stahl road race headers, radio delete, heater delete, Minilites, Transistor Ignition, fiberglass GM crossram hood. Basically the way you could equip a car in 69 to go raod racing. That's what the JL8 option was all about. I just wish it didn't cost so much to do this project!
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Redeuce,
What kind of shape are those heat shields in? does the owner want to sell them? Let me know. "[email protected]" |
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Dave,great list!My pet peeves are new stereos and aftermarket shifters.How about some period pieces here as well.I hate to see a mint dash hacked for a full face stereo.I remember running a old Mr.Gasket(before Hurst) Verti-Gate shifter on the street.Ouch! I can still feel the pain in my fingers from pulling up to constantly down shift.I know auto shifters were pretty much non existant in the late 60's early 70's..What about those Hi-Jackers?Now those I don't miss either..........
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whitetop, are you going to the Mopar Nat's in a few weeks? Can you check out this Nostalgia class and see if the cars are being "classified" correctly by the judges? The only drawback to having a class like this is whether you could find at least two judges per show that could correctly judge the cars. Most clubs or show promoters do not have anyone that has the knowledge like you to know if an item was available at a certain period in time. What do you think? Maybe only allow cars manufactured up to a certain year say 1974 or 75? There is another aspect also, safety issues with tires, shocks, seat belts, and other items. I would not want to see a guy come rolling into a show on a set of 30 year old tires, because they are not reproduced, and then have a sidewall give way...........................RatPack............. ........
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I happen to own the mystery car you guys seem to be such experts on. It's true the heat sheilds are not correct, and no I did not spend the money on replacing the missing smog equipment, but the car is in new condition mechanically and cosmetically and aside from the minor details you anal retentive concourse types are complaining about the car is mostly correct. I did not buy or restore the car to impress those of you that go to shows and then complain about everyones cars, when 9 out of 10 times the crap in your garage sucks even worse. I bought the car because I appreciated it for what it was and the fact that is wasn't like every other LS6 out there.
The car was never represented as a concours car in the article or otherwise. It is driven reguarly and as far as I can tell, nobody out there has one that is like it. The docs to back up the history of the car are impecable and undisputable. As far as the "mystery" part of the magazine article, you guys need to lighten up. Tom Shaw asked me to be in the magazine because of a last minute no show of a different car and needed something out of the ordinary to fill in for a factory freaks theme. As far as the true color, the notes on the build sheet say 926-99616 Orange acrylic Laquer so you tell me. As far as the price I am asking for the car, if you saw the documentation, the amount of new parts on the car the spotless undercarage and engine compartment,the new wiring , interior, dash etc. and put it next to a lot of the junk that I see out there for sale everyday,I don't think I'm to far out of line. Before you start running down someones car based on it's condition you should really know all the facts. Randy and NICAB have sold me multiple cars and they have been great to deal with. As for the condition of the car as it "drifted around" until it was pawned off on me, you are right that it was a ratty restoration, but if you reread the article it clearly does state that when I got it from NICAB it needed some work. Finally, just to let you know, I'm not some lightweight idiot that Tony and Randy took for a ride. I have owned dozens of cars over the years and currently have a Alpine White 70 Hemi Superbird 4 speed console car with 16k miles that has a complete matching numbers drivetrain, carbs, starter, both jacks etc.and is 99.9% original restored and has complete paperwork. So you concours guys that will be at the Mopar Nats in columbus in a couple of weeks can come see it under the tent. If it makes you feel better, you can tell me how bad my Chevelle is to my face and I'll be happy to show you my Superbird and pictures of my MSO Earnhart Camaro with 77 miles and a signed dash when your done. For those of you that were defending my car or apreciating it for what it is, and you know who you are... thanks. Doug Young |
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Well said, Doug! Glad you came to speak for yourself and your car!
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Good to hear from you Doug! If I had the money I'd buy it. I have learned that in here it either has to be absolutely correct or what they SAY is correct. I hate to step in the poop again gentleman, but to the uninformed person that is already calling Moon parts off because Moon was a has been since the early sixties obviously hasn't gone to www.mooneyes.com or ordered from their 76 page catalog. I have one if you want to borrow it. There have been changes in the hierarchy of the company over the years, but they are alive and kicking. If you have a question, email Dean Moon at [email protected]. By the way, they have developed a new custom wheel specifically for the '69 Camaro. Boys, boys, please research a little more before stepping up to the pulpit. We just talked about how nice a day 2 car would be, and you are already getting the "correct" list going-and again knocking a person or company without fact. Hey, you regular guys, call Dean- he'll tell you what is correct or not and what was available in the sixties or seventies. That might be a more accurate way to do it. Moon made valve covers, guages, etc. in that era.
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Touchª on the response Doug! Enjoying these cars it paramount to none. It's a small miracle that there are so many examples that eluded molestation. Enjoy your cars and revell in the attention that they bring. After all, isn't that why we all wanted them in the 1st place (chicks dig 'em...high school mentality)???. With the exception that I've been a gearhead since like age 9.....the attention to my hobby has kept me trying to build/acquire better.
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I guess the factory correct restoration guys wouldn't be impressed with me either. Our '69 300 Deluxe SS396 L78 Chevelle has a Hurst 4 speed shifter, Headers, Stewart-Warner tach and gauges and T/A radials. This is the way the original owner set the car up in '69 and that's the way it will stay. The car won a people's choice award at a show a couple of weeks ago. But then what do people know. When finished, our COPO Chevelle, which I bought new in '69, will also have the headers, Hurst shifter and radial tires. The F-70 Uniroyals, smog pump and manifolds can stay on the shelf for the next owner. I guess I've always been a day 2 guy. In 5 years we have put over 14,000 miles on our 396 car. Included in the mileage were trips to Maple Grove and Woodward. I'd say we are getting full enjoyment out of our cars. Everyone does something different and that's what makes the old car business so interesting.
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Redeuce
UNIFORMED? I'm not the one uniformed. I have been into Day Two since the '70's. I have never left. I've read just about every single Hot Rod type car mag from the era and have kept notes on what was correct, when parts were introduced etc. It is my obsession-Hot Rodding from '68-'75. I'm not cutting down Moon I'm just saying by running Moon parts on your musclecarcar you are not correct for the era. That is a fact. Of course people can run what they like. Moon was not it's former self by the late '60's and was not making anything for the musclecar set at that time for the most part-that guys would be interested in. Yes I know they were still makin some fuel tanks, gauges etc. Their parts were already dated in the late '60's/'70's and guys ,just like today, wanted to run the newest/latest parts. The company was for most part stagnet throught the '70's and 1980's with 1-2 employees and producing not much of anything when a young finacier from Japan bought the company and revived it in the late '80's early '90's. The Japanese are big into America's '50's stuff and were the ones credited with reviving the company. They actually have Moon stores throughout Japan. I know they have a 76 page catalog but 99.9% of the stuff in it is geared for a 1950's style Hot Rod ('32 Ford etc) or Customs not a musclecar. The huge trend of building '50's style Hot Rods brought back the popularity of Moon in Japan and the US over the last 10 years or so-hence the 76 page catalog. Also alot of the stuff in today's catalog was not even produced back in the '50's or '60's by Moon. They are slapping the mooneyes decal on everthing even if it was never produced back then-many of the items are new parts developed over the last 5-6 years. The '69 camaro steering wheel you are touting is a prime example. Finally, I went to the website saw nothing but early '60's rails, Ed Roth type stuff, and a bunch of early style '50's Hot Rods and Customs. Dave |
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