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The Yenko run starting 06A show up as D80 on the trim tag. I have not seen any Yenko's earlier than that with the code on the tag. I am not sure about D80 on the trim tags prior. Check the trunk rods for two different size rods for factory spoilers...BKH

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Sounds like a good restoration project. If the car was done well it would and should bring the right money. I have yet to see a real High-Performance by Scunzio COPO. The build date on the car seems likley it would not be the first COPO in that area, but who really knows. As for the color it is very rare. It would be a dynamic package with the rally wheels and D80. An enduro bumper would really set it off in that color with the silver grill. Overall I would think it will make someone a very rare and attractive Camaro. I am looking through my old magazines, but have yet to make the DEB connection. The upside on this car is very good. Who will pull the trigger on this one?..BKH

[Edited by bkhpah (01-29-2002 at 12:26 PM).]

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The GM of Canada papersork does document weather or not the cars came with spoilers!
Peter

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This car only has one torsion spring in the trunk. I guess I have to bring my micrometer to see if it is the larger of the two. Even if both springs were missing, I should still be able to figure out if it came with spoilers.
Cars with the build date of 05D is the earliest I have seen with D80 on the trim tag. Warren

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Ther should be a hole in the frame for the front spoiler center brace...BKH

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Warren,
My Douglass Yenko is an X11 D80 with O5D date also.
So it seems that prior to the mentioned dates, COPOs had spoilers but without trim tag designation.

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BKH, in my second posting on this car, I mentioned I was going to check for hole in frame. The underside of trunklid has been painted brown, but still has original jacking instructions attached. I'll see if I can peel it back a little to see if original burgundy paint is underneath. Then if the lid is original to car I will see if Camaro emblem holes are present for a spoiler car.

Stefano, Factory spoiler cars whether a COPO, Z/28, SS, or just a plain Jane prior to 05D, wouldn't be coded on tag with D80, that I am aware of.

William, what surprises can you bring to light on this D80 subject? Warren

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What took place, internally at GM to make this specific trim tag change?

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RESERVE MET! Bidder has 0 feedback, anyone know who it is?


Jason

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In an earlier posting, the original owner was said to be the former owner of DEB speed shop(s) in Connecticut.
Karl Debian, Retired, living in Florida

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Very interesting bidder history (a lot of "0"'s) Come on somebody here tell me this is worth that kind of $'s. Looks like a $40k-$50K resto project!!

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For those in the New England area post a reply if anyone know of the history of "DEB"..

Wacky


[Edited by Wacky174 (01-30-2002 at 09:06 PM).]

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We have the advantage of professional restorers as members and I know that estimates are just approximations.

So does anyone else care to provide a qualified cost estimate ,to include parts and labor, to bring this COPO up to current maximum show standards?

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To bring things back into perspective....What we appear to be looking at is a COPO with no paperwork and the wrong engine..... I hope it gets better.

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b/j question?
kind of odd that one of reggies old cars(the black copo) with supposedly 40k original miles and all matching numbers would have an a/c dash. was that some kind of special option? a one of one copo? i guess i wasn't the only one wondering what the deal was, could that be why it only brought $45k?
anyone know any details on this car?

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Reserve met and Sold $30,000 !!!!

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Warren,
Did you get at chance to see it again?

Kurt

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Yes, I went back and checked it out again. The car doesn't retain its original tranny. Original shifter and bracket gone. Had the correct crossmember. It didn't come equipped with D80. Remember I said the best part of the car was the rear, well there is a problem. Because the car was hammered, the pass axle tube developed a crack by the leaf spring perch weld. It had been fixed a one point. Must have been seeping still as the rear, and back half of undercarriage is all oily. On the positive side it did preserve the metal. The heads and possibly the intake is original. The block is a JE with an A stamped over, and askew to the E. The radiator still has its original core, also still had the tag attached. Ducted hood relay was still on the firewall. Tow tabs welded to front subframe. No silver grill, had a newer all black one. The car overall is a very restorable, and has good integrity
Bill now has a LS6 convertible on ebay unrestored, (other than a paint job), and needing restoration. He said he bought the COPO and LS6 off the same guy. Warren

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Hi folks...nice forum you have here. I have something to add to the 69 e-bay copo saga. I am the person who has the option of purchasing this vehicle. Myself (age 40), my two sons (age 9 and 11 - and needing to do a great deal more wrench turning than they have to date) and, on behalf of my father (age 67) have been looking for a replacement for the copo my father sold (in 1979) to pay my last two years tuition at the University of Louisville engineering school (go Cards!). Anyway, I do not believe the seller is a crook in that he has specifically told me that if I do not want to purchase the car then that is fine with him and he will provide no negative feedback. I GREATLY appreciate the info I have found on this site as it will help in making a decision on purchase. So....here are the two questions: (1) The 30K is in my budget (and I know that it is about 8K to much to pay) but I do not know if this vehicle is worth it (again, have just started looking and do not know the frequency a project becomes available), and (2) if the recommendation from this forum is to not purchase does anyone have anything similar to sell or can give me some insight into where to look?

I have just started looking for a car (my mother knows of the search, my father does not). Any help in securing a family project would be great.

Info on my company can be found at ics-gsg.com. Again, thanks very much for the help.

Eli

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Brian, This is a good question for you to answer.

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Eli, are you looking for a project or a completed or unrestored car? Does it matter if it is matching #'s or not? I know of a Black #'s matching COPO in AZ priced in the $60's, but he may up his price after seeing what happened at the Barrett Jackson auction. Sounds like your looking to replace your father's car, but #'s may not be a big factor.

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Wow-
This really is an excellent forum. I am glad I was referred to it. In answer to the questions asked, I would greatly prefer a project instead of a finished vehicle. Numbers matching would (as always) be nice, but 'correct' is acceptable to my family.

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Eli, I agree with Marlin, especially if you and your family are going to do much of the work together.

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Actually, it is Ken. Eli the Iceman is a phrase used by electrical engineers...and..as my last name is Ice I have had the nickname of Eli since college (or since 20+ years ago). I will wait and read the next couple of days posts before I decide on traveling up and seeing the car in person. I do not have the ability to restore the body. However, my father and I do have the ability to restore the mechanicals (and would greatly enjoy this with my sons).

Lastly, I have not seen the car in person, but the current owner said he believed the car was an RS option car. I asked for photo's from the original owner to document this. I will keep all posted and greatly appreciate the time taken to date. If I go forward with the purchase I feel good about the assistance I can look forward to via this forum.

Eli

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Welcome to the site. Sounds like a neat car. My only concern is no paperwork. Hopefully some will turn up in the future. I would print this thread as a kind of start for your documentation. Warrens visual inspection of the car in a unrestored condition lends credibility to the car. I would also printout the Ebay item. If you want to really have fun just leave it Belair62's house and see if he can leave it alone... Come back when it's done. :-)

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Eli;
Not sure that an X44 car could be an RS, I think the RS option required the gingerbread of the X11 trim group. There were no pics on the auction site of under the hood, so couldn't see which side the windshield washer jar was on, ect... Also no pics of rear of car to see if backup lights are in the rollpan, ect...
M

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If I understand Ebay correcctly, and I think that I do, Eli has already entered into an agreement to buy the car, that's what he agreed to when he bid on it. Am I missing something? Doesn't anyone else think that it would be wrong to back out now?

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One at a time Charley......winter is almost over so I have to stop soon ! I'm still trying to get up the courage to tackle the darn heater core....

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I recently paid way to much for a 1955 Chevy ex-hot rod. It hadn't run for over 6 years.
My nine year old son and I recently brought it back to life (just got it running).
The value of this shared experience and time with my son is priceless.

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I have to agree with Marlin on the RS thing. I believe all the RS COPO's were X11 cars. Any of you RS boys out there have an X44 car or are they X11 cars. X11 I would bet.
Peter

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X-44 would NOT be a factory RS car. X-11 COULD be an RS car, but most were not.

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It depends on the seller. If I sell a car on Ebay I will give the buyer a chance to look at the car. If the car is as described then the seller should buy it. However, if I buy a car off Ebay and it is different than described I would be quite upset.


Jason

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Is it Kevin or Eli??

You ask some interesting questions that are difficult to answer. If you feel you paid approx. $8k too much, are you asking if $30k or $22k is a fair price? If you have sentimental reasons for the purchase, then the final price paid is not as relevant.

I know of many COPO projects that have been sold within the last few years, but they usually do so via word-of-mouth.

Bottom line, if you want a COPO car, you have just bought a nice solid project, in a rare color, without common options (D80), that will look awesome if you restore it correctly, and hey, it might just turn out to be a bargain a few years from now https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif
Marlin

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The X44 COPO is a base car without style trim. If you are doing this as a family project go for it. You can take your time as you look for parts. Engine items, trim , body panels etc are getting harder to find all the time and the repo parts they sell for the most part are junk. It's hard to believe they can even sell this stuff. The car you have bought will be a stunning combination when finished. I have yet to see a Scunzio COPO car in person. The car is super low miles. As far as paper is concerned. It seems well documented and has all the things you would look for in a COPO. X44 big blocks are COPO's. As for price payed, who cares but you. Any board member would want at least that for it if it were theirs. You may find a project that costs less, but you will get less most of the time. As time goes buy it will seem like you did very well, and I think you did well at this point. Choose your parts venders wisely. Ask questions to this board. Many members do restorations all the time. It will be an excellent project with a high upside when done...BKH

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Just a note to the person who questioned my possibly "backing-out" of this purchase. FYI - This would be the first item I have purchased from eBay. I spoke (via e-mail) with eBay and directly with the seller of this car. From both the eBay and seller's perspectives it is simply a matter of meeting the stated terms of the sale. Regularly, eBay terms will say things like '50% deposit required within 5 days', 'payment in full due within 48 hours', or lots of other variations.

As it was my belief this car would sell for quite a bit, I contacted the seller and asked what the terms would be. He told me that he did not want any money (assuming I would be the successful bidder) unless I saw the car and that it was exactly as described. He repeated the same statement previously noted here that he would repay any monies given to him on a 3 to one ratio if the car was not genuine. After I was listed as the winning bidder I called to see how much of a deposit I needed to send FEDEX. I proposed $15,000. Seller declined, stating he did not want any money unless I was totally satisfied. I guess what I am saying is that both the purchaser and the seller are satisfied at this time...so that seems to be all that is required.

On another note, I will try tomorrow to contact an individual about authentication of this car (and will keep all posted). I spoke with the seller tonight and he agrees that the tranny is not the original one (though he had originally told me it was). Seller added that he checked with the original owner (who apparently owned three and raced at least two copo cars) who said this was not the RS copo car. Seller has begun to negotiate price down based on all of the excellent info I have found out in this forum. Again, MANY thanks. The comments on possibly working on this family project have not been lost on me.

Eli