Oh by the way Lordstown Motors just declared Bankruptcy YESTERDAY.

FUN TIMES!

Did anyone know electricity can be "Virtual"??

The DOE says so: https://www.energy.gov/lpo/virtual-power-plants

So let me translate this for you: DOE is discussing "Virtual Power Plants", which is simply the ability to shut your HVAC system off, turn your hot water heater off, and even drain the battery on your EV through load shifting and grid balancing.

On the coldest days of the winter, when the grid does not have enough power, first they will take the liberty of draining the power out of your EV battery. NOW because you no longer have a gas car-- Guess what---you are now stuck at home.

Then, because your house is all electric and "smart" they can next remotely turn off your heat and hot water.

It is a great discussion... and this is simply the TIP of the iceberg.:biggthumpup:

Lets discuss further shall we?

Back on the topic of banning gas cars:

A World Economic Forum white paper published just last month supports a vision where three in every four vehicles is removed from the road by 2050.

And the center for advanced manufacturing gets funding from.....the state of Michigan.

Article published on this topic just yesterday raises concerns:

https://www.michigancapitolconfident...-car-ownership

But wait.. There's more... New York City is ready to hit residents and visitors alike with a “congestion charge” after federal approval was granted this past Monday for its first-in-the-nation plan to impose big tolls to drive into the most visited parts of Manhattan. $23 dollars a day... .

The program in projected to begin as soon as the spring of 2024, bringing New York City into line with places like London, Singapore, and Stockholm that have implemented similar tax impositions on drivers simply going about their everyday business.

And Los Angeles is going to be next....Kind of sounds like the domestic implementation of the strict regulation of cars that the WEF is calling for to accomplish the overall goals of the "PLAN".

The back story on the sudden "congestion" that needs to be addressed.

In many areas of Manhattan there used to be 4 lane roads.

Then one lane was restricted for mass transit only and more recently another lane restricted for bicycle's and scooters leaving only two lanes for cars.

Presto... create a problem that did not exist previously THEN enact a TAX to generate revenue.

Finally, Oregon will let you pump your own gas

What is the name of the guy in Texas that owns 2.6 million acres of farmland?

As reported in the UK DAILY MAIL:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...000-acres.html

The largest land owner in the US is The Emmerson family. They own 2,330,000 acres of land. That's almost 10X more than Bill Gates.

That's bigger than the state of Delaware by over 1000 sq. miles: 2,488.72 versus 3,640

I was wrong on that. I was thinking of the Emerson landholdings somone posted above

Here is the #1 owner in Texas -privately owned. 1. King Ranch - 825,000 acres

Toll Brothers said 35% of new home construction incorporates solar power and that figure is growing each year.

Black and Decker just built a 280,000 sq ft factory in Kentucky 100% solar powered and they are selling excess power back to the ,local grid.

Six Flags in Ca is going 100% solar,

Home Depot is making all their stores 100% solar-the stores they already did are 100% off the grid. Chase bank regional office , 13k employees in Columbus went solar and is 85% powered by solar soon to be 100%

The Grid and Ev's will be fine. I just drove up Rt 23 from Columbus to Michigan and solar panels on factories and office building are going up everywhere.

As for "15 minute towns" the US is not Denmark where you can drive across the country in a an hour. The biggest real estate trend in the US is people moving from large cities out to the country.

No one is going to take away cars or homes. The US has a million gov't programs and incentives to get first time buyers into homes.

Love it or hate it EV's are here for good.I'm not really worried about it.

I am thinking this is headed nowhere as it is getting too political.
JMHO.

True. It is embarrassing to have to inform participants of why things are happening that have the potential to be detrimental. However making everything "Political" is just another form of viewpoint discrimination.

One liner talking points claiming everything's going to be just fine just isn't comprehensive enough to satisfy the experts......not buying any of that.

It not political, its about freedom.

I don’t have any solar power but love my electric cars. My “engine” has one moving part. They are not for long trips yet but for 99% of daily driving they are the best. They get better every day.

You boys are a little late to the game . Rush made this song about it in 1981 and it was based on an article written about banning gas cars in 1971
This has been in the works by the left for a very very long time. Ever read a news paper from the early 70s today it’ll read just like it reads now about climate change agendas. It’s amazing .

Even in about 76 they said we had 10 years to live. .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LXKZq0fYDw

This song is all about gas cars being illegal and the new cars are made to withstand a 50 mph crash without damage so they are paid by the government to find anyone driving a gas car illegally and smash into it. That’s why he has to run from them they will sustain no damage but he’ll be wrecked. Enjoy the song.

Charlie I agree my Tesla plaid is insane! Crushes all my other stuff except my dedicated turbocharged drag car, at 1020 HP this was my cost at the pump , umm charger. 😂

I like talking about cars with folks like yourself but some of you really are just misguided and uninformed about electricity generation, EVs, the modern auto sector etc.

I work in the power sector and on occasion the auto sector. Well right now I'm working in the auto sector as one of my projects. I'm talking to a lot of tier 1 leadership folks. This EV revolution will take a long time to get to over 50%.

Charlie I agree my Tesla plaid is insane! Crushes all my other stuff except my dedicated turbocharged drag car, at 1020 HP this was my cost at the pump , umm charger. ��


My buddy said my wife’s Kia is comparable to that I said is your wife’s Kia 1000 HP and runs 10 flat as an SUV?

Such a great song! Saw them perform it a few times!!

Yessir....but most of us just want to separate the push of evs and suppression and taxation on ice vehicles from the political lies. This thread has avoided direct politics, and I'm certainly respectful of that, but much like other major events in the recent past, get the discussion out there on center stage from all points of view, shake it out, and inform and let us decide. Anything less is going to get extreme pushback.

It was incremental. The main target in the 60's was to make cars highly regulated and thus more expensive to reduce consumption.

The book "unsafe at any speed" and the coordinated media pile on was a direct attack on GM's overwhelming market share, all while ignoring the other cars that had the exact same risk as the Corvair.

They started going after Tetraethyl lead in the late 30's and finally got the scalp through regulation in the early 1970's. We got the Malaise era and a 55 MPH national speed limit in exchange while multiple FAKE energy crisis's were played up in the media... "running out of oil"..."Peak oil".. All BS, while the population was treated to video loops of lines stretching around the block for a couple of gallons of gas... THEN the simultaneous push for the adoption/acceptance of mass transit.

The media next attacked the PINTO and then went after the Silverado's side saddle tanks setting up a rigged test to cause an explosion.

The theory: The more we regulate the more expensive the vehicle will become the less of them will be on the road.... .

Of course the banking market replied with ever increasing auto loan repayment durations.

What we are about to experience is way different. If we fail to resist this now on multiple levels within a generation all cars both ICE and EV will be restricted as to who can own/operate.

The key to compliance is a Central Digital Currency they get that and you just walked into a form of slavery for which there is a slim margin for any return.

I'm for cutting out Opec, dealership repair costs, (Edison) solar energy...

The question I have: will gas prices go up or down when 50% of cars on the road are electric?

That's definitely a step in the right direction: One single charging standard.

11 is a reorganization. 7 is a liquidation

I’m all for electrics but there’s not much room for all the manufacturers we have making them. Tesla is KING of EVs And there’s no way for everyone to get a EVs on the grid just not gonna be able to happen.

Nor should it people should have choices , people should be able to buy and use what they want.

On the note of politics idk why people can’t talk politics that’s just foolish it is involved in every single part of your life. There’s really NOTHING that touches every part of your life other than politics. Censorship annoys the hell out of me . ( remember when people could have spirited debates? Sometimes people even changed their mind on things)


That being said , EVs are run on a number of things and it isn’t electricity ⚡️ it’s coal, it’s the sun (pretty much it’s harnessing the energy of a nuclear blast ) , it’s natural gas, it’s in some cases a diesel generator at times or nuclear fission.

We have .004 carbon in the atmosphere up from .003 . At .002 plants die. It’s a real big issue, That’s why they fly private jets all over the place . Anyone ever seen what a private jet burns for fuel? It’s ain’t green.

Ever seen how rare earth minerals are mined? It ain’t green. Uyghers in China? Not exactly well paid labor? There’s lots wrong with EVs

But they are an amazing car. And some day we’ll have induction charging on the highways and there will be very little reason to ever charge anywhere .
Some day maybe it will be viable for all, but for right now there’s too many issues to take over and not screw up the grid .
Not to mention no one should have anything forced on them I’m a form believer of this…I shouldn’t force my will on you and you shouldn’t on me. Maybe I can plead my case for something but if you choose not to buy into it. Oh well .

This is a good thread and it’s good that people discuss in an uncensored state free to make honest. Points for or against. . There’s nothing wrong with that, But people, Also need to learn to be civil w each other and not EXPECT everyone to have to do as we do or say.
. Debate is good. Information is good, you don’t have to listen to it.
Just my .02 and it’s probably worth .01 �� let’s not take it too seriously, I don’t.

These 7 States Are Banning New Gas-Powered Cars

If we do not stop this:

As the decline really starts cutting into quality of life-- the plan is to use market forces to further push people increasingly desperate to maintain standard of living.

As the older people die off the kids are going to be forced to liquidate tangible goods. This will accelerate as we are already seeing kids burning through generational wealth.

Blackrock and Vanguard are saying that AI and automation are planned to take take most jobs as 3d printed new construction is projected to replace renovating existing buildings as it will be "cheaper and faster".

THEN:

Local governments will have no choice raise taxes to cover losses. Heavier electric Vehicles will destroy paved roads at a faster rate.

Home ownership declines resulting in seizures of the homes of people affected by job loss to AI.

The domino effect then accelerates as vehicle registration costs -- to maintain the roads-- skyrocket as less people own cars.

These assets will then be bought up and recycled by stakeholders like Blackrock and vanguard using printed money-- all at discounts from desperate people trying to survive.

These assets will be used by these same stakeholders to form the "gilded cell" the AI displaced unemployable will live out their lives in.

Nobody in authority has ever floated a plan for how they are going to keep people going once AI and automation breaks the relationship between the value of labor (to people that have the money) and the means of production.

Universal Basic Income (UBI) is the only solution offered...this will be attached to a social credit score. Say the wrong thing on the internet and your score goes down and you get less UBI. Buy the wrong thing (Like Gasoline or an old car) your score goes down.

Attach purchase authority to an integrated Central Digital Currency and your ability to buy and sell is subject to the rules established by the "stakeholders" here is where ESG fully takes over.

In other words what they have planned for us is a world of dystopian economic zones where borders don't matter, and sovereign governments are owned by the stakeholders.

To me this looks exactly like the future world as depicted in the movie "Rollerball" starring James Cann.

And they will most likely release more viruses to create lockdowns, and try to force people to get more mRNA jabs. I'm glad to see people like "70 copo" see things the way I do. The globalists are working hard on their Agenda 2030, so we need to wake people up before America is too far gone. Guard your freedoms well, cause it's hell getting them back!

"they"

The electric car ‘revolution’ is a disaster before it’s begun

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...a70ca3cf&ei=56

Glad you asked. Lets tie this all together shall we? OK first off:

If you are easily "scared" please do not click.

If you plan to complain to the administrators/ Moderators Please do not click.

If you want to see Pro Stock John's question answered then this simple 18 minute video will get it done 100%

https://odysee.com/@GrandJury:f/4-RF-Grand-Jury-1-EN:6

Additionally all of the supporting testimony to support the statements made in the opener above can be found here:

https://www.grand-jury.net/

In summary this is kind of old news. Much of this is currently being used to sue everybody involved because the prosecutorial functions of nearly all of the sovereign governments worldwide are blackmailed, bought off, or internally silenced by mandate or through coordinated censorship.

When I said the "tip of the iceberg" I was not kidding. But please, AGAIN If you are going to complain in order to trigger viewpoint discrimination PLEASE don't just ignore this post and ignore me.

That's all I ask.

Well I was just at a conference (Edison Electric Institute) and saw the CEO of SoCal Edison interview Elon Musk to talk about electrification.

I think I must be a 'they' since I'm working in the industry.

Musk’s interviews are literally all over YouTube. Musk is a world wide player in EV’s and as of now nobody is catching him.

Your “they” comment looked rhetorical and i took it as you seeking additional information as to what OP was contending.

No harm. No fowl.

I watched some of the commentary in that interview, interesting stuff.

"But please, AGAIN If you are going to complain in order to trigger viewpoint discrimination PLEASE don't just ignore this post and ignore me."

I assume you meant "..... PLEASE don't; just ignore this post and ignore me."

In other words: "Only respond if you agree with me."

You aren't wanting to guard against "viewpoint discrimination". You are only wanting to censor any response that does not agree with yours.

Would be nice to have the site focus on cars.

Lynn,

Absolutely! Feel free to ask me literally anything you want about this topic. I just don’t want to trigger the favorite tactic of some -it’s the Hecklers veto .

Because Agenda 2030 and the forces driving its implementation want to ban cars and that’s the topic of this thread.