I saw the video, Charley what do you think of the all glass roof? Surely that would make it hot inside. Pretty cool though

Thanks for posting that article Charley. The fact that they got 500 miles from it at a near constant 70 mph is really impressive. That thing is a game changer for people like me who never wanted to deal with the short range issues.

It has a coating that blocks the heat.

Good video of the different Rivian drive settings.


https://stories.rivian.com/drive-mod...e=owner&mcrid=

I live in Ca. where there are plenty of charging stations so I'm sure there will be more electric cars on the road as time goes on but no idea how people in the rural parts of the country will be able to access the electricity needed. I'm a car guy and thought Tesla was stupid but after driving hipo electric vehicles I would not buy another gas only vehicle except for long trips until they speed up the charge networks...

There are a number of companies deploying charging solutions, a mix of OEMs and 3rd party. For example ChargePoint and EVgo are two national players. VW has Electrify America. From what I've seen the charging players are logically targeting urban areas (big cities) but also look at popular roadways where it can make sense. It's a neat scene, I am a headhunter and we cover power / renewable energy and expanding into EV.

But yeah rural areas will be last.

How long does it take to charge Charley? I have heard anywhere from 20 to 120 minutes depending on how low the battery is and the kW rating of the charger. Can you imagine waiting that long to charge your vehicle if you are in cue waiting to hook up? I would also be interesting to know how much battery capacity drops as a function of the load being towed.

I think right now EV's make sense if you can charge at home all the time and use them around town. For long trips or living out in the sticks you better have a plan.

----Admitedly, I live in the country, but I'm only 50 minutes from Detroit and I have not seen any sign of a charging station anywhere. Have seen a few Tesla's but I,m thinking they are just out for a jaunt up the river sightseeing. Probably from the tonier suburbs......Bill S

Out here you can't burp without seeing a Tesla. You don't want to race a Tesla Plaid. I have no experience yet using charging stations other than charging at home overnight. Plugs into a 220 50 amp 14-50 plug and I'm fully charged in about 8 hours. The charge stations on the road vary in output. Lucid is setup to take up to the new 900 volt charge and can add 300 miles range in 20 minutes.

----Charley,,,I'm sure there have probably been no fire experiences with either of your new rides, but do you have even a hint of worry about charging inside a garage? Not trying to be negative, but I don't know how I would feel after seeing some of those other manufacturers. The ones with problems (GM and I think,Tesla).....Bill S

Most of the Starbucks,Petes Fresh Mkt,Marianos & Whole Foods Grocery stores all have EV charging stations here.
You need your personal device to turn em on,but boy are they always in demand.

Wooden 'coaster in the eighth (three pedals, no waiting!) ...!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgoUeFQrA0g

I charge Sherri's Ionic plug in hybrid in the garage from a 110 outlet. Same thing at the office. I pay 7.1 cents per KWH.

I don't even have a "quick charge" cord, and don't anticipate getting one. Just curious.

I KNOW that the charging stations charge more than they pay; how much more?

And I got my first flat.

Looks like a lot of tread left yet!!

has anyone done a cost analysis to see how much it raises your electric bill to compare it to the amount you would spend on fuel?

what if you run out of battery out somewhere, what do you do?

Pretty easy math. In SE Michigan the residential rate is about $0.18/kWh. Charley's Lucid has a 118kWh pack which probably requires more like 130kWh to charge all the way from dead to 100% state of charge, which is about $23.

That should get about 400 miles. I don't think very many people run out of battery. The car gives you plenty of warning and directions to chargers.

How much does cost to 'fill up' with 15 minutes on the fast charger? I'm guessing under $10, including a Big Gulp and hotdog... :crazy:

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----Just read Car and Driver's road test on the Lucid. Very, very impressive. The engineers and designers seem to have put a lot more thought into their car than Tesla. I think they are ahead of the curve!.....Bill S

So could work out to $50-100 a month depending on usage?

Good video. https://youtu.be/JxuB4H6uCq8

Impressive differential trans, power, control unit all in 1 unit making 670 HP x2 all in 1 small package you can hold in your hands. Looks like they came along way, imagine in the next 3-5 years. On aside note (At 4:58 minute mark of video.) looks like he drove by L A,s Disney hall building ( where there ended being a problem when drivers were blinded by the sun). I remember hearing they had to sand most of the metal or bronze on the building to a dull gloss.

Great video, love the rear tag!! (Tesla 2.0)
Makes sense to improve on what works (Lucid),and not throw it all, just to be different (Tesla). I get it now! - Bill W

I'm like alot of you that thought electric cars are stupid but after a few weeks of driving these two I am convinced that I really really prefer them over gas or diesel. Musk has stated he is going to build a nationwide network of stations similar to the Buckees with a boatload of really fast chargers. You plug in and go inside to get whatever it is you want and in a few minutes you are charged. I'm convinced that these things are so good it will drive advancements in batteries, charging etc. I just wasted over two hours at the Porsche dealer getting it's first service. Driving it home I was thinking how much better the Lucid drove. I have made the decision to sell my Raptor and probably the Porsche. You guys know I'm a car guy. This is the next level in advancement. Musk is saying he will Have a Tesla 2 door sports car that will run 7's in the 1/4, go 250 mph and get 500 miles to a charge. Maybe we end up with enough electric cars and trucks that the cost of oil drops and gas will get cheaper. Competition is always good. That 670 hp unit that the guy is holding in the video is basically engine, trans and rear all rolled into one.

Not surprised at all.

Charley, I feel the same way. The infrastructure definitely needs to catch up. Today's EVs are low-compromise, but infrastructure improvements and improving battery technology will help close the gap to ICE.

Full disclosure...EV development is also what I do to earn a living.

My only desire is that gasoline continues to be available to enjoy my old cars. I have zero desire to convert a muscle era car to electric.

This morning Lucid just released a 1050 hp version.


https://www.lucidmotors.com/air/configure

Mate Rimac's an interesting feller ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CSiIfwC5DI&t=121s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUB1z5wr5p8

Giga Sandy (kept the Rivian instead of taking it apart!) ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLmIBO5Apz0

Anti-Tesla ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYQr1QfUPa4

So you're keeping the Rivian?

Yes. It and the Lucid are great. Tried the rock crawl setting on the Rivian out on the remains or our motocross track the other day. It is fairly steep with grass over a foot tall. My Raptor or GMC would have been spinning the tires. This thing just went over it. You could feel each wheel doing different stuff as needed, Really neat.

When we were growing up, we were taught that oil and petroleum related natural resources were finite, and that someday we would run out. However, I read this article earlier today and it states some really interesting information that I wanted to share. If this is accurate, the race to end ICE vehicles and replace them with EVs may have been falsely promoted. I need to research this more but it's interesting reading.

https://www.investors.com/politics/c...roduces-crude/

I'm fine with the growth of EVs in new car and light truck sales, just to put it in perspective usually ~16M new vehicles are sold every year. EVs currently are small percentage of those, but it's probably going to grow pretty fast. A former neighbor of mine who is a German guy with VW said that the VW mass produced vehicles will be a mix of ICE, hybrid and EV but he does not foresee VW going full EV anytime soom.

On a side note I'm impressed to have a truck that gets 18mph city.

I am not educated from this thread on what these vehicles are I have been seeing around the Chicago area. Looks like a good fun buy!

On EV front, I am pro a hybrid approach. After seeing what can happen if a grid is taken out, having gas around is a good thing. The control of the materials that make up batteries is another topic I am sure we will all learn the pros and cons of later when EVs ramp up.

Interesting blue tone in the wheel color vs the body color. That caught my eye.
Also wonder if there is a 'kit mode' for the light bar in the front, scrolling back and forth while it decides when to beat anything that challenges it ;) red lighting of course

I am now educated from this thread on what these vehicles are I have been seeing around the Chicago area. Looks like a good fun buy!

On EV front, I am pro a hybrid approach. After seeing what can happen if a grid is taken out, having gas around is a good thing. The control of the materials that make up batteries is another topic I am sure we will all learn the pros and cons of later when EVs ramp up.

Interesting blue tone in the wheel color vs the body color. That caught my eye.

Pic of the optional slide out stove for camping. No I didn’t order that option.

Probably fast as you know what but Only a mother could love the front end look of that truck. Cartoon like. Sorry bud