Jeremy, sent you a PM.

- Warren

I agree with Bruce. After seeing the untouched photos it’s legit imho. But I also am not an expert.

From what I see those stampings look legit to me.

If you have "the" stamps maybe you should destroy or alter them so no one can ever correctly restamp an engine again.

Otherwise you just have "a" set of original stamps and there are many more out there.

Just the block stamps, or also the trans ?


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I see that VIN as a Canadian car. Does the owner have the GM of Canada documents to go with the car?

Car is not Canadian. I don't know the difference between Canadian VINs and U.S. VINs but I'm thinking maybe you're misinterpreting something? The VIN is 124379N619394 was built at the Norwood plant, shipped to Mac's in Crete, NE and sold new in Lincoln, NE. Unfortunately, there is no paper documentation other than the NCRS shipping data, and an old registration.

Despite the obvious troll I will reply.

I am not in to destroying historical objects of any type and to suggest doing so is patiently absurd.

I have written two books on the Norwood Plant, assisted with a pending documentary work, interviewed (on the record) literally hundreds of workers.

Finally the artifacts. I have been blessed with a number of significant artifacts over the years including the stamps. After receiving them I took the initiative to interview the guys who used them, the workers who managed the motor line, other workers who issued the stamps, and explored other issues routinely presented by ARO's on the line.

This information does give me significant knowledge to share specifically with the hobby when a so called "anomaly" appears.

Several years ago I issued a $10K charity challenge to a gentleman on Team Camaro who said I did not "really" have the stampers and tooling.

JamesinHBCA--You want to take me up on it? I have a charity all selected and ready just let me know.

And JohnZ's picture of the stamper. :)

Kurt,

You said that exact same thing the last time I posted a picture of the stamper here on this site.

Just so you know I checked with GM due to your previous comment. GM legal stated that If the photo was taken in a GM plant there is no valid claim creation possible, unlike the images GM provided for my research which was contractually stipulated for usage- and extent of usage - which means I have an enforceable copyright.

There's been a lot of good informative information shared. Could we please keep the tone civil, and not get into personal conflicts.

Im not being uncivil when I say thats a pic of my trans stamping from my 74 z28 thats XX'd out.
So I guess I have a part of that display :headbang:

Im fine with it, dont get me wrong.

Both look good to me goggles

Just pointing out. That's the only know vintage stamper picture so you didn't have many options. You could just say - yup and thanks John for the picture. But instead....

Helpful images:

That's not how copyright works. If the picture was taken with GM's permission, then the photographer owns the copyright. It's that simple. GM can restrict picture taking, and often do.
Else Hot Rod, the AP, Motor Trend, the local newspapers, etc would not have the copyright to all of the pictures they took at GM facilities.
You have a copyright for your book, but GM still maintains the copyright to all the GM pictures in it.

Why do I feel like I'm in a sandbox?


Jason

----I see the name M Hanson on these pics. Is that Mike Hanson? We used to have a very compitent mechanic at Classic Motors by that name. Same one? I know he moved to Florida a long time ago but haven't talked to him in years.....Bill S

Bill I am pretty sure it is a different guy... BUT he is the same guy who is apparently taking credit for also placing this image on the internet tho...

Indeed the same image that Kurt is droning on here about, and the same image that M. Hanson has openly taken credit for, and the same image that GM Legal says that if taken by a GM employee no valid claim can be made because the photo was taken during an employment context.

So to keep the peace: Credit to M. Hanson AND John Z, Kurt Sonen and the entire CRG, the Corvette people The NCRS and finally -General Motors Company.

There EVERYBODY should be happy now.:worship:

Oh one more thing.. Now that we are finally looking at the Hi Resolution image - this stamper is clearly loaded with 1980's GM vin script stamps.

Images are all posted here: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...s-stamped.html

Also posted here: http://www.camaros.org/enginedress.shtml

Is this COPO yours or anothers? Are there any restoration photos? Better yet more "as found" photos of the car that can be shared?

Outside of this thread.

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthre...=167013&page=3

There are many pictures of the car before disassembly and during -all the way up to it's current state. I would guess 1000 photos minimum. I will try to post more next week.

I am not asking anyone here to authenticate this car. There has been a man who specializes in 69 Camaros that has been tasked with writing a "report" on it. Wether his report will state that the block is original or not is entirely up to him. I was merely looking for other VIN numbers that were stamped with these same style/font characters in an effort to provide as many examples as possible to make my case that it is, in fact a "known" stamping font. If anyone here has a Norwood block with these same style characters (the way I understand it, the 6's and 9's are the ones being called into question more so than the others) and wouldn't mind taking and/or sending me pics of them it would be greatly appreciated. We have already found several examples, but the more examples we can find, the better. Thanks, everyone.

Not a troll and my suggestion to alter the stamps is just a joke because although you may have a real set of stamps, there are plenty more out there.

BTW it's the engine assembly stamps that are more closely scrutinized and you did not get those from the Norwood plant.

I am aware of your publications and the research you have done for the hobby. It just sounded like you where claiming to have the one and only set of stamps and tools used at the factory and that is just wrong.

Thank you for your clarification. This is a thread on Norwood. I have no concern for other plants or tooling that may or may not have survived.

To be clear, I have the only known Norwood VIN derivative Gang stamper known to exist along with the stamps that were used. I also have the repair stamper that was used.

The fact that this tooling was saved was not by chance, It was saved on purpose by several workers BECAUSE of the specific production period history associated with the tooling.

I was chosen to be the caretaker was because I cared enough to invest myself in telling the story of these men - nothing more, nothing less.

Can’t believe that knucklehead is stamping blocks/Trans with a mushroomed tool & not wearing safety glasses. If that’s Norwood - their enforcement of safety equipment rules was pretty lax!

The photos credited to Hanson are described as originating at St Louis Assembly and the black valve cover L-82 being stamped supports that description.

----I do know that Mike H spent time in the St.Louis plant and the dating of the valve cover would support that they might have been his pics.....Bill S

Yes and I looked... the guy who posted them IS located in the state of Florida.

Critter1 = Mike Hanson?

----Mike was a hell of a mechanic and knew early fuel injection inside and out. He was a big valued part of Classic Motors shop and taught a lot of us stuff we knew nothig about.....Bill S

Mike shared a lot of great information with me on crossrams and other Chevrolet high performance parts a number of years ago. He sent me some neat GM blueprints as well. A great guy and a wealth of knowledge. He also drag raced a '68 Z with a crossram on it back in the old days. Mike told me the car is still around.

This is a little off topic but I thought it was a good place to share. About 10 or 12 years ago I did as set of horns for a guy who was a Quality control engineer for Oldsmobile in the 70s. He said the quality control was bad nothing like today and it was not uncommon for 20 or 30 % of the cars coming off the line needing some type of repair. Any major repairs were taken and parked in a repair lot, sometimes 500 or more cars. Cars that were "Customer Order" got priority and they would rob cars on the repair lot of whatever they needed to get those repaired. He said even engines , carbs , anything because it was faster than going through the request procedure. Some cars got robbed so bad they were almost shells. When those cars were finally repaired they could have parts dated after the build of the car.

I admit confusion at this point. :)

Maybe at BOP - St Louis assembly was nothing like that!

More than happy to help you out. The Norwood workers can accurately inform you about the complete operations of the following areas:

Salvage-Repair and Reuse operations.

Repair in the OK Lot.

Repair and rebuild operations in AGR.


More than Happy to help you BUT that would kinda require you to lift the ban over at the CRG. SO - that's entirely up to you.

off topic but I'm wondering if they took pictures of that Corvette engine because it was the last carbureted Corvette engine? Last carbureted Corvette was 1981.
Or the last Corvette that rolled off the St. Louis assembly line on July 31, 1981?

Unknown. I contacted GM years ago about the images due to the claims being made that John Z (CRG) was due credit for one image I used in the stamper display,-despite the fact that M Hanson had already taken credit for the entire series of images, including the image contested here multiple times by Kurt.

I tend to agree with this - that looks like an L81 on the Corvette line.