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LT1vette 12-28-2020 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by olredalert (Post 1528908)
----There's a Monaco Orange convert ZL1 that's been talked about on this sight. Some question it, but personally I don't! I've been up close and personal with that one as I had a Monaco Orange L88 convert a long time ago. The original owner sold it to me to finance a disk jockey party set-up. Talk about a mistake!.....Bill S


Not the one I was thinking about. BUT a convert, I don't think so. Never heard the "talk" on NCRS website when I was there about ""more"" ZL1's hiding in the weeds.
Haven't had the interest in Corvettes in the last 6-7 years, moved to full sized Chev restorations....

William 12-28-2020 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mrays (Post 1528039)
I thought I had a picture of the trim tag on the silver 69 but I don't. All I have is this photo from the Super Chevy Show at Gateway in 2012. The information I have from the tag is NOR104398, 711 69 69, 08C X44.

Looks a bit flaky to me.

Lynn 12-28-2020 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by William (Post 1528985)
Looks a bit flaky to me.

Agree. That's a fake tag, as well as the one on the 69 Azure Turquoise L-78 car.

A really impressive collection, but as has been stated, not a lot of attention to correctness or realness of many of the cars.

Would like to see pics of all the numbers on the 67 Z/28.

Jonesy 12-28-2020 02:58 AM

That for sure is a fake tag. One of the obvious ones!

bergy 12-30-2020 04:00 PM

Anybody have any info on car A13? 1970 Z28, black/black. Lots of little details to fix & a bit tired looking, but anybody here know drivetrain details?

Thanks

Lynn 12-30-2020 08:15 PM

Don't know a thing about it. 3 pics. That's it. Not much more in the description. Some odd things stick out; looks like a spray painted booster, someone chromed the fender braces, and a really odd GM sticker on the upper alt bracket. I am guessing a few more minutes of "where's waldo" would yield some other issues.


It is a shame these cars weren't vetted in advance of the auction. They should just be represented for what they are. I have already commented on two fake tags on pretty high end cars. Hope no one gets burned. Museum is still open to the public between now and the auction, but I don't know how closely one would be able to inspect. I fear that there will be no bargains given the publicity and the notariety of the current owner. I mean no disrespect to the owner. Just the fact that he acquired all these cars is impressive. Just wish it were handled differently. One day is set aside for pre-auction inspection.

Having said that, given the description below, I would take it to mean this car does not have its original engine, but does have a CTB suffix motor, either a real one or a restamp. Just can't tell.

I would also take "Re-finished in Tuxedo Black with white sport stripes" to mean it is a color change.

Also don't know if "rally sport split bumper" means it is a true rally sport, or if it just got the split bumper.

Anyone going to be there? I have only seen one post from a member here indicating he is going; and I know he would like some help vetting two or three cars he may be interested in.

This is it for description:


350/360 HP "CTB" suffix engine
4-speed manual transmission
Power brakes
Power steering
Bucket seats
Center console
Rally Sport split bumper
Re-finished in Tuxedo Black with white sport stripes
Dual exhaust with headers
Original Protect-O-Plate
Original vehicle invoice

Lynn 12-30-2020 08:31 PM

BTW, I know this sounds crazy, but my favorite vehicle in the auction:

The 57 Cameo in tropical turquoise.

Billohio 12-30-2020 09:23 PM

I really like that Cameo too. Sharp truck.
You cant see it good but is the wiper motor on A13 for a non RS car?

bergy 12-31-2020 01:20 AM

Thanks Lynn. I’m going to the auction. I live 60 miles south of there in the winter. Hopefully they will let me inspect the cars closely.

Lynn 12-31-2020 04:47 PM

I am sure it will be a lot of fun. Post pics when you can.
Would like to go, but I am not in a position to buy anything right now.

Too Many Projects 12-31-2020 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bergy (Post 1529518)
Thanks Lynn. I’m going to the auction. I live 60 miles south of there in the winter. Hopefully they will let me inspect the cars closely.


It IS winter, what you doin' still here ...:smile:
We have a vrbo reserved in Homosassa in Feb. Can't wait to get out of the snow and cold for a couple weeks. Way too late for the auction, but I'm in Lynn's place anyway. Dumped all our disposable cash in a move and new pole building last year.

mrays 01-01-2021 06:13 PM

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It looks like there are now more pictures and information on the cars on Mecum's website. Some of the cars even have documentation posted.

Here is a picture of the 66 GTO convertible and it's PHS documentation. It looks like this one wasn't originally black.

mrays 01-01-2021 06:21 PM

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Here's the window sticker for the 1 of 1 known "L89" 68 Chevelle SS.

mrays 01-01-2021 06:35 PM

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The silver 69 Camaro is the one I saw at the Goodguys in Columbus in '06 and the Super Chevy Show in St. Louis in '12. Here is all the "documentation" for it being a Berger sold COPO Camaro. The last Berger COPO Camaro is N649339.

mrays 01-01-2021 06:42 PM

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Here is a picture of the 69 Impala SS L72 along with its window sticker and build sheet.

Lynn 01-01-2021 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mrays (Post 1529761)
The silver 69 Camaro is the one I saw at the Goodguys in Columbus in '06 and the Super Chevy Show in St. Louis in '12. Here is all the "documentation" for it being a Berger sold COPO Camaro. The last Berger COPO Camaro is N649339.

That's a shame. Trim tag is an obvious fake. Would like some input from Paul re: the window sticker. Are the rest of the docs also fake?

bergy 01-01-2021 09:01 PM

[QUOTE=Too Many Projects;1529595]It IS winter, what you doin' still here ...

LOL - Up north with the fam for the holidays. Driving back down to FL soon. Stopping on the way to check in with James on the Pace Car resto progress.

Looks like a lot of fake/incorrect stuff going through the Musclecar City sale. Owner is probably keeping the best cars for his personal collection.

427425 01-02-2021 03:40 PM

Berger Camaro POP
 
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Originally Posted by mrays (Post 1529761)
The silver 69 Camaro is the one I saw at the Goodguys in Columbus in '06 and the Super Chevy Show in St. Louis in '12. Here is all the "documentation" for it being a Berger sold COPO Camaro. The last Berger COPO Camaro is N649339.


The POP has the current Grand Rapids zip code, this is not the 1969 Berger zip code.

William 01-02-2021 07:56 PM

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All of the documents shown for the alleged Berger COPO are reproduction. Poorly done, to say the least.

N672561 was final-assembled on or about August 19, not September 23. The body number on the w/s is for ZL1 #3. For '69 options were listed in alphabetical order, by ECL. Floor mats [B37] are listed after D55; U63, PL5 and N40 are also out of order. The destination charge is incorrect; most likely was $26.45 as seen on real Berger docs for a Z/28 and COPO.

The w/s and shippers copy were part of a multi-layer carbon paper form. All the system-generated info was identical. These two don't match. The w/s is missing the dealer order number seen on the shipper; the body numbers differ.

Many of the errors appear to have been copied from the really bad repro w/s that was displayed with ZL1 #3 many years ago. Photo on page 200 of John Hooper's 1969 Camaro book. At least they had the decency to label it a replica.

Bill Pritchard 01-03-2021 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mrays (Post 1529757)
Here's the window sticker for the 1 of 1 known "L89" 68 Chevelle SS.

:haha::haha::haha:

Also 1 of 1 with "Powder" steering :haha:

mrays 01-03-2021 11:26 PM

That helps you drive in the snow!

x77-69z28 01-12-2021 04:22 PM

I’m in Sarasota right now. Gonna try to get to the museum before it closes. Not in the market to buy anything right now.
Buddy

Xplantdad 01-12-2021 05:37 PM

Have fun, Buddy! Be safe...

cruiserofland 01-13-2021 09:03 PM

Here is the inventory: https://www.mecum.com/auctions/punta-gorda-2021/lots/

x77-69z28 01-14-2021 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bergy (Post 1529407)
Anybody have any info on car A13? 1970 Z28, black/black. Lots of little details to fix & a bit tired looking, but anybody here know drivetrain details?

Thanks

Bergy, I’m doing my best to get down there Sunday before the museum closes. No info on the black 70, but the pics don’t show the trim tag or any stampings.
Let me know if you will be there before the auction!
Buddy

x77-69z28 01-14-2021 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Xplantdad (Post 1531601)
Have fun, Buddy! Be safe...

Thanks Bruce! Hope you and the family are back to 100%
Buddy

Drew Papsun 01-15-2021 04:17 PM

Help
 
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Originally Posted by x77-69z28 (Post 1531587)
I’m in Sarasota right now. Gonna try to get to the museum before it closes. Not in the market to buy anything right now.
Buddy

Hello Buddy,
Please contact me at 203-286-6024 or email : [email protected]
Thank you,
Drew Papsun

Drew Papsun 01-15-2021 04:21 PM

Help
 
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Originally Posted by x77-69z28 (Post 1531587)
I’m in Sarasota right now. Gonna try to get to the museum before it closes. Not in the market to buy anything right now.
Buddy

Hello Buddy,
Please contact me at 203-286-6024 or email : [email protected]
Thank you,
Drew Papsun

MosportGreen66 01-16-2021 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by x77-69z28 (Post 1531918)
Bergy, I’m doing my best to get down there Sunday before the museum closes. No info on the black 70, but the pics don’t show the trim tag or any stampings.
Let me know if you will be there before the auction!
Buddy

My friend was loosely into it and I believe it’s a factory gold car

bergy 01-16-2021 02:36 PM

Inspection day for this auction is Thursday. I’ll be there then.

x77-69z28 01-18-2021 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Drew Papsun (Post 1532001)
Hello Buddy,
Please contact me at 203-286-6024 or email : [email protected]
Thank you,
Drew Papsun

Drew, I emailed you the vin numbers. One car was missing, was told it was up in Kissimee, and no one had the vin!
Buddy

Billohio 01-18-2021 02:38 PM

Seen a post on a facebook page today and a guy said he restored the A18 Tahoe L78 camaro. I didnt ask what he knew about the tag. Hate to stir the pot!! Several guys were all excited thinking these were correct cars

Too Many Projects 01-18-2021 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Billohio (Post 1532467)
Seen a post on a facebook page today and a guy said he restored the A18 Tahoe L78 camaro. I didnt ask what he knew about the tag. Hate to stir the pot!! Several guys were all excited thinking these were correct cars


Oh, go ahead, you may save someone from an expensive disappointment... https://www.yenko.net/forum/data:ima...HVs6F6EQAAOw==https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...unds&crop=fill

Drew Papsun 01-18-2021 07:25 PM

Thank you for your support
 
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Originally Posted by x77-69z28 (Post 1532420)
Drew, I emailed you the vin numbers. One car was missing, was told it was up in Kissimee, and no one had the vin!
Buddy

Hello Buddy,
I got your emails.
What cars there did you want to take home?
Best Regards,
Drew

x77-69z28 01-18-2021 08:11 PM

The 67 Z, if it was real! There was an L78 camaro I wouldn’t mind having either! Strangely, there were no 3rd gen Camaro’s. I need a 3rd gen Z to complete my collection! I guess they weren’t muscle cars!
Buddy

John 01-21-2021 04:30 PM

...

... This should be an interesting auction.

... There are some very neat cars there.

... :flag:

...

Too Many Projects 01-21-2021 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by x77-69z28 (Post 1532539)
The 67 Z, if it was real! There was an L78 camaro I wouldn’t mind having either! Strangely, there were no 3rd gen Camaro’s. I need a 3rd gen Z to complete my collection! I guess they weren’t muscle cars!
Buddy


I had an '88 IROC with the HO LB9 305, 5 speed and G92 high performance rear axle. I was always under the impression this was a dog engine, but that changed when I ran it thru the gears and it was still barking the 8" wide Gaterback tires slamming 3rd. That little car was a lot faster than I ever expected.

Billohio 01-22-2021 06:32 PM

Silver COPO sold for $297,000. Someone will be upset

Bill Pritchard 01-22-2021 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mrays (Post 1527993)
Rick's collection .....has some nice cars, but most of them are driver quality with incorrect details.

If that's the case, then people are spending some crazy $$$ on them :shocked:

seventieshow 01-22-2021 08:18 PM

Everything seems to be going for top dollar. Reminds me of the stock market.


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