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They call it "tank turn" where two wheels turn in opposite direction.
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And it is built in ..............Illinois.......
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Those are cool. Met the guys at the auto show this year and last and they're confidence inspiring. Neighbor ordered one - not a car dude. Also has Model S Raven.
Interesting, this may be the first time since the advent of hot-rodding that the lion's share of the quickest cars on the road are driven by non-enthusiasts? |
Built in the USA. Nice!
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This is a thread that I started about statements made by the chair and CEO of General Motors Company Mary Barra, and the future direction of General Motors Company. Since Rivian is backed jointly by Ford and Amazon and has no relationship with GM Whatsoever, and since you are now duplicating information within the thread already posted by others- I am wondering If perhaps you can start a discussion concerning its product in a separate thread so this one can stay somewhat on track concerning the topic that I started. Phil |
Here is the critical Mission Statement from GM:
"To achieve global EV adoption, we need to create the most desirable ownership experience possible. This battery electric architecture provides the framework needed to integrate advanced technology, lengthen vehicle range and enable emerging connectivity options. Overcoming range anxiety and curating a personal connection with drivers and their vehicles is key to growing EV ownership" Here: https://www.gm.com/our-stories/techn...ic-future.html |
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This is the best way to deal with Range Anxiety as it stands now:
1. Be ready to plan your trip to take the absolute shortest route to your destination. 2. Be ready to wait for a charger station to become available when you arrive. 3. Be ready to find something to do while you wait for your battery to charge. 4. Repeat. I guess GM will need to retire the "Find New Roads" ad campaign because you will be forced to do the opposite since the GM announcement appears to indicate that there is no technology enhancement coming near term to address the main issue blocking the path to EV ownership for the masses which is the loss of driving freedom and imposed range limitations. |
I think back to how impossible it was going to be to make big flat screen TV's affordable for the masses. Now they are dirt cheap. I have no doubt that America will figure out how to make it work.
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Agreed. Airflow based renewable is the key to charging batteries. Like cold fusion however some claim it works but only on a small scale in a laboratory.
I had hopes GM was planning on a technology revolution but it looks like they are simply chasing better batteries in conjunction with hydrogen technology. |
Charley reminds me of that one dead pixel I can never get to work.
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Do you have an opinion about the claims that GM is making about the Hummer that is coming out in a couple of years? Like 1100 HP and Torque to match? Humor me please as I try to keep the thread on track,- why not contribute something meaningful? |
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The next generation nuclear power plants such as the Fast-neutron reactors may change everything
Expensive to build but can make a lot of electric power with low waste |
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An electric car appeals to me about as much as an electric chair.
It's one thing to claim the numbers based on ideal conditions but when it's cold, raining and dark that electric cars range goes down. If i'm running low on gas I can pull into any gas station. I won't need to get a hotel for the night because there are people ahead of me at the charging station which takes an hour or more each car. What happens when there is a big power outage like a windstorm? Power is out for weeks... Certainly one needs to plan any trip in an electric car... no spur of the moment "Well I have never taken this route before" trips across the vast open plains the way I like to do. This video should be required viewing for those wanting to get an electric car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqEwLle8xKU |
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Insider has further commentary:
Says that GM has basically modeled its future around the ideas found in this article from back in 2018: https://www.greencarcongress.com/201...20-hayden.html And I went back to read the mission statement from GM and sure enough here is the statement: "At General Motors, we are in the midst of a company transformation to win in our core automotive business and the future of personal mobility. Our vision is to create a world with Zero Crashes, Zero Emissions and Zero Congestion. The latest step in this journey is the development of our all-new battery electric vehicle architecture, which will pave the way for General Motors’ all-electric future". Here: https://www.gm.com/our-stories/techn...ic-future.html |
GM unveils 10 future EVs, new batteries and its plan to beat Tesla
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...cid=spartandhp |
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The GM insider decided to comment on today's events: https://www.generalmotors.green/prod...r/0304-ev.html "The recent Fox Business interview was a complete disaster for the company...many Dealers are up in arms telling GM "Stop you are going to put us out of business" especially dealers outside urban areas". "Your commentary on the EPA in the other thread hits close to home on many issues but let me red pill you here": "It is not about the environment but that is the presentation being used, It is about the money, all about the money" "Gas taxes are tough to raise currently, too many political rear ends in the fire and you are messing with the oil companies and the lobbyists that represent them, so know this big oil wants you to drive your car because that is how they make money and that money gets returned politically. So why EV's? The money to be gained through taxation is just huge. You will be taxed by the mile. Think of every road as being a toll road. That is the end game here and there is a curve here through adaptation that is anticipated to do the following in this order: First as more people buy EV's Gas taxes will need to necessarily rise to the point where you will be taxed right out of your ICE car. You will be able to keep it but you will pay so much for fuel EV's will become cheaper to operate. After EV's are mainstreamed then the combination of tax to operate and the infrastructure and convenience limitations will cause most drivers to actually reduce travel. At this stage autonomous vehicles are projected to take hold with the market causing your car of choice to be a rental,- Meaning you no longer own it you call it for a ride. This all happens in a future projected to have effective urban mass transit for those who need to commute with many teleworking from home. So here is the take away-GM is chasing a future where you do not own a car, and you do not actually drive one either. It is fully automated and it will take you where you can afford to pay to go. In other words a futuristic Johnny cab. They do not care about you because you want to drive. If things go to plan GM will not have a product you want to buy - they know that". |
This has been a topic of interest for me because I work a the dealer.
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Or pursue both autonomy as well as driver involvement and give the customer the option to decide the use occasion ...?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoe.../#1400001d22ea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9LS7O7UqZ0 |
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400 miles is not shabby. So what this means on a trip is that you will have to plan to stop to recharge at 6 hours under ideal conditions perhaps 5 hours with hills max. If you are hauling a load or towing even less. As long as you route to hit chargers and you do not mind the wait. Counterpoint: There is zero anxiety anything with ICE. I can go as far as I want all I do is buy a tank of gas.back on the road in under 6 minutes usually the cup of coffee and the restroom break takes longer so we will say 10 minutes to be fair. Lets have some fun with this...so I am gonna hash tag and bold (#) where EV's achieve parity with ICE right now. Travel when I want # Travel where I want Travel the route I want. No anxiety with Hills and mountains No anxiety with Hauling-Towing No anxiety with wilderness Off road trips No anxiety using PC's watching movies, or charging phones in vehicle. No anxiety with a long delay in traffic due to a wreck or traffic jam. No anxiety due to long lines to fuel. No anxiety due to delays while fueling is occurring. No anxiety as to my cost to travel via taxation. No anxiety as to repairs if it breaks down (pretty much anyplace) ____________________________________________ Ok I see only 1 # listed above anyone disagree? The insider warned me that GM likely monitoring this thread because it contains Mary's name in the title. I say good.:biggthumpup: |
Just in cast they're not: #GM #marybarra
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Maybe once every 10 years am I driving 6 hours straight unless it is in a old car on a road trip. How often does everyone drive over 400 miles or say 300 miles to account for the range depleting things you mention. My guess is a 300 mile range will cover 95% of peoples yearly driving.
As to travel cost due to taxation you are paying gasoline taxes every time you fill up. |
Good point. For short trips when there is no time pressure yes.
For most working class people time is money and everyone is is a rush all the time these days. GM comes up with a battery that will recharge in under 10 minutes they will have a winner. |
300 miles is a short trip ? I'm saying most of the time people are not even driving 300 miles per trip. How many miles do you drive to and from work each day ? Do you do that 5 days a week ? My guess is you can drive a electric to and from work each day, run errands etc and simply plug in at night when you are sleeping. My guess is most working class people drive much less than 300-400 miles each day so simply plugging in at night should be fine.
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Zero. Retired.
I consider 300 miles a pretty short trip. That is only 4 about hours in a car. Pretty easy to do actually if you are going to swap meets every weekend here around the east coast. The point I guess I am trying to make here is most families have two vehicles and both of these have to go to work as well as longer trips. It is all about convenience and being time efficient. When you are off and you have to be someplace nobody wants to screw around they want to get there and get back. A guy I used to work with had a Bolt to get to work and he got it only because he had a ton of points on his GM card and his accountant told him to take advantage of the $7500 dollar US Government tax incentives offered towards the purchase. He also had a Hemi Ram, and a CTS for everything else. |
How do we recharge our EV at night when there is no sun to generate solar energy? :grin: I only put 6000 miles on my Tacoma in the last 2 years so an EV regular cab pickup would probably work for me if somebody decides to build one.
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Hey Jeff...My guess is you can add Tesla battery storage to your homes solar power and get the cars charge off of the batteries at night :-)
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I live in the country and have a 550 gallon gas tank here at the house. We really enjoy not having to go to a gas station and deal with the crackheads that seem to be everywhere. Having a electric vehicle that you just plugged in at home would also spare you from having to go to the gas station. Also wouldn't need to worry about oil changes. Maybe a two car family has one of each with the non electric used on those long trips when needed.
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I would run out of range several times a year and think i'd only ever have to do that once to learn never to try again. I make a couple 16 to 18 hours at a stretch drives. No way would I tolerate breaking that up into extra days or being stuck in some remote town twiddling my thumbs for hours and not being a third of the way there yet.
On last summer's trip i'd have been really up the creek if I was in an electric car and was still plenty concerned driving a gas one after a shortcut in northern California ended with a blocked road 100 miles in... and had to backtrack the same way that extra hundred then find a gas station which involved trying several towns and running down to less than 3 miles of range left. The egg under the gas pedal driving style is perfected when you have 34 miles of gas left and the next closest place to get it is 35 miles away. After getting gas I still had to detour to a road that meant an extra 200 miles of driving to get to where I was going 20 miles from the blockade. As it was the long detour meant driving triple digit speeds to get there. My brother used to have a propane powered Dodge van. Not a conversion a Canadian factory built one. He tried to drive to Mexico, he had a list of all the propane stations the whole way. Since there was not enough range on I5 south of Stockton he had to take 99. He had no problems getting propane until then, the next station was open 9 to 5... he gets there after 4pm and it is just a tool rental shop and the pump was in the back through a 3 foot wide door. He had to take the tank out which took him all of Friday night into the next morning. Laying in the dirt using minimal hand tools and the bumper jack to get enough space to get the tank under the rocker panel. Then the guy who fills propane wasn't there Saturday, they weren't open Sunday so it was Monday morning when he got it filled and Monday late afternoon when he had the tank back in the van and turned around for home. |
Tesla V3 Supercharging adds 75 miles in just 5 minutes
the future does not look good for new fossil fuel vehicles "Many countries are now banning new vehicles that run on fossil fuels like gasoline, diesel or liquefied petroleum gas. Germany, India, Ireland, Israel, and the Netherlands have announced plans to ban fossil fuel cars starting in 2030; Britain, France, Taiwan and California will ban them in 2040; and Norway in 2025. Paris, Rome, Madrid, Athens and Mexico City will ban diesel vehicles in 2025." |
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