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Lee Stewart 12-12-2019 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 70 copo (Post 1475205)
OMG.. Good one Lee! that wall Meme looks exactly like the condition of today's NASCAR.

A wall that looks like a wall - but no structural mortar to hold it together in the long term.

Great Meme!

If you REALLY feel that NASCAR has no future . . .

https://i.postimg.cc/N0FdWyy5/90.jpg

I can sell you this one!

70 Forest Green Zee 12-12-2019 04:43 PM

There's no real reason that I can see why NASCAR can't go back to stock bodied cars with todays safety mandates and have a car as safe as todays car. The 2 biggest improvements to safety over the years are the Hans device, and safer barrier walls that all tracks have implemented and that wouldn't and shouldn't change.

Lee...just how much longer do you think FOX and NBC will be able to afford to pay those kind of fees to NASCAR? Major sponsors WILL notice that the stands are more than half empty and also take a good hard look at TV ratings and find that no one is watching any more. Major companies who spend millions in advertising on weekly NASCAR events will find that it's no longer profitable to advertise during a NASCAR event and quit doing it. You know as well as I do the money doesn't come from the TV networks, it comes from sponsorship dollars, and when sponsorship of NASCAR events is no longer profitable, companies will quit doing it. You are right, the writing is on the wall, just not as you describe it bud!

70 Forest Green Zee 12-12-2019 05:01 PM

In conjunction with my post above... keep in mind that the 2020 NASCAR season will be the first season since Winston was the title sponsor for the cup series, that the cup series will not have a single title sponsor. Monster Energy pulled out after only 3 or 4 years and have taken on a much smaller sponsorship role for the 2020 season. Why? Because it's not profitable! 4 individual companies have grouped together and have assumed that role. What does that tell you???

Lee Stewart 12-12-2019 05:05 PM

Actually the TV ratings for 2019 were the same as they were for 2018.

What NASCAR is doing currently is to reduce the cost of running a team. This will pay huge dividends by leveling out the playing field. The 2018 standardization of the Paoli Air Guns are a perfect example.

70 Forest Green Zee 12-12-2019 05:16 PM

You just don't get it do you? Making the teams and the cars equal is what is killing the sport and the more they try to make things equal,the less interesting the racing actually is and the more viewers they will lose.the more viewers thy lose, the less likely companies will want to advertise their events. It's plain as the nose on your face, just look in the stands each week!

Lee Stewart 12-12-2019 05:32 PM

The next-gen car will enable manufacturers to design bodies that will better represent the production cars they are inspired by and will also allow for more tech transfer between the track and the street thanks to things like larger wheels with lower-profile tires.

Burd 12-12-2019 07:14 PM

Maybe just go back to running shine.

Late BrakeU2 12-12-2019 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 70 Forest Green Zee (Post 1475184)

NASCAR better take a good hard look in the stands and see how the popularity is falling

They know Randy, that's why they instruct camera operators to keep the shots as tight as possible to avoid grandstands, and why they paint the seats different colors so when they pan at speed it creates the illusion of a packed crowds. All tracks can't be Bristol, maybe in the end they will go back to being a regional sport. The big ad money is looking elsewhere these days. How many decades was R.J. Reynolds the series sponsor? How many title sponsors have they had since? The ratings are at historic lows..They are out of creative bullets,young people just aren't in to cars at the levels necessary to sustain interest like our gen is/was. JMHO

earntaz 12-12-2019 11:49 PM

Just my opinion -- when Bill France let Toyota into NASCAR and Chrysler quit, that was the first nail in that coffin ...

RALLY 12-13-2019 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by earntaz (Post 1474776)
This may be a reality seeing as how GM will kill the Camaro in 2023. NASCAR will need to get another foreign manufacture to fill the gap. It was reported Honda was looking at the feasibility of entering ... Just another nail in that coffin ... TAZ

I have not found anything official Chevy is getting out of Nascar? Can you post a copy where this states Chevy is leaving? Or are you assuming down the road Chevy might exit this racing series?

70 Forest Green Zee 12-13-2019 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Burd (Post 1475221)
Maybe just go back to running shine.


Burd....I don't mean to be rude but most of your posts I've read on this site have been unintelligent and irrelevant. This post was no different. Why don't you just refrain from posting at all until such a time when you actually have something intelligent and relevant to say.

BJCHEV396 12-13-2019 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by earntaz (Post 1475274)
Just my opinion -- when Bill France let Toyota into NASCAR and Chrysler quit, that was the first nail in that coffin ...

Right on! I put up with it cause Toyota wasn't winning at first and to be honest I was enjoying it.Toyota and K.B.is making me lose interest big time.

SuperNovaSS 12-13-2019 02:41 AM

I thought Burd’s comment was funny.


Jason

roadster 12-13-2019 04:10 AM

And historically significant .

earntaz 12-13-2019 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RALLY (Post 1475277)
I have not found anything official Chevy is getting out of Nascar? Can you post a copy where this states Chevy is leaving? Or are you assuming down the road Chevy might exit this racing series?

Sorry, I don't remember where I got a wiff of that as I read many articles in a day (I'm retired). But I do remember seeing at least twice. As a follower of different modes of racing, the old saying was "win on Sunday - sell on Monday". Well we all know that isn't working anymore and GM dumped the Camaro/Firebird before for low sales. The other thing to think about is the new Corvette -- yes the 2020s are all sold but my point is for the cost of a high end Camaro just add about $15-20K and you can have a mid-engined screamer. Again -- JMHO

rsinor 12-13-2019 06:44 PM

Seems like I read, or heard somewhere that NASCAR was going to a spec chassis very soon and that all race teams would be required to buy the spec chassis from the supplier, then hang their components on them.

Currently there is very little on these cars that is manufacturer related, the engine block, heck Toyota does not even build a V8 car, I think currently most engines that run in the cup series maybe even the xfinity also, are built by one of three engine shops.

Burd 12-14-2019 02:29 AM

https://www.juniorsmidnightmoon.com/legacy

Burd 12-14-2019 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 70 Forest Green Zee (Post 1475282)
Burd....I don't mean to be rude but most of your posts I've read on this site have been unintelligent and irrelevant. This post was no different. Why don't you just refrain from posting at all until such a time when you actually have something intelligent and relevant to say.

NASCAR came from running shine. Maybe look at its history. Ya, you are being rude.

Burd 12-14-2019 02:50 AM

Here you go Green Mean-z

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSW3WBoEkWc

Burd 12-15-2019 01:33 AM

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This was given to me from, well, let’s not mention names, it’s from the south. You can her the engines roar if you put your ear to it. Lol.

Lee Stewart 12-17-2019 08:24 PM

2021 “Next Gen” will bring NASCAR’s first-ever independent rear suspension, sequential gearbox

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...ear-suspension

Salvatore 12-17-2019 08:58 PM

I see it happening to the NHRA too. Bottom line in my opinion is not enough of the younger crowd is interested in NASCAR, NHRA or even muscle cars as we know them.

RALLY 12-17-2019 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Salvatore (Post 1475930)
I see it happening to the NHRA too. Bottom line in my opinion is not enough of the younger crowd is interested in NASCAR, NHRA or even muscle cars as we know them.

Agree i believe all of these you mentioned have peaked. The younger generation doesn't have the interest and money to support these. Its a sad change we are seeing.

Burd 12-17-2019 10:27 PM

I spoke to a collector, he’s selling his car collection off in the next few years, and keeping just a few. Thinking these are going to drop in value as time goes on, the younger generation isn’t into these cars. You like what you grew up with.
We used to get some nascar cars into our booths at the auto show, it’s just a shell with decals for everything. It change along time ago and I’m surprised it kept up.

markinnaples 12-17-2019 11:18 PM

Eh, eventually everything changes and things go away, but I've heard it too many times that we'll see the end of interest in brass era cars, hot rods, muscle cars, and cars in general. I think as long as man has the desire to move and to see new things, the love affair with the car will last. I do, however, acknowledge that it won't remain the same as it is now and changes will occur, but I don't think it will end. Everything, and I mean everything, is cyclical, and I think that kids/people are going to eventually get tired of sitting around looking at these stupid little screens and get out there and do stuff. Could be wrong, but that's OK, I was wrong once before.

CamarosRus 01-01-2020 10:03 PM

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Will John Force Racing still have Chevrolet as a sponsor moving fwd ???

My friends at Hancock & (Jeff) Lane Racing built the eCOPO (All Electric) Camaro
for GM as a advertising publicity tool. Lane and company are currently wanting to
sell the one off eCOPO.

Hotrodpaul 01-02-2020 12:14 PM

I would love to see NASCAR go back to the era of stock bodied cars running the original engines, modified of course, just like the old days. Imagine the sound of screaming LS7's, Coyote's, and Hemi's battling it out. The cubic inch displacements would need to be adjusted to be fair but this would be entertaining. These non production, purpose built engines should not be allowed and racing the production engines would also help improve durability overall.

Paul


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