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GotGrunt 07-17-2019 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tracker1 (Post 1455495)
CANADIAN "BUILT" so NOT imported-OSHAWA. That's a waaay different kettle of fish with much better record-keeping in Oshawa.
Oshawa-built GTO Judges actually have WT1 (Judge) and M20 or M21 stamped on the trim tag. Seen L34 on some Oshawa Chevelle trim tags too.

Yes, up through 1970, they coded all the pertinent RPO codes on the trim tag. I’ve bought cars without ordering the paperwork first just by looking at the trim tag. I figured they kept meticulous records of cars crossing the border in either direction, but still great that you can get the VVS report for non-Oshawa built cars, even if it’s missing some production figures.

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And the reason he mentions 1972 specifically is that it wasn't until '72 that you got a VIN letter on GM cars to designate the engine option.

That makes perfect sense.

camarojoe 07-18-2019 01:08 AM

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I remember that car being for sale. No docs unfortunately, but a solid story. As far as Baldwin being unaware of the COPO program, I always call BS on that. More likely they kept it super quiet at Rosen's request - why would a guy who puts 427s in customer cars for a living want anybody to know about a factory-installed 427 program? He wouldn't.

Tiny dealerships in Canada were getting COPOS and a connected east coast (NEW YORK!) dealer doesn't know about it?? Hahahaha! C'mon.

I hope this yellow car turns out to be something special, sure seems like it might be - best of luck!

Totally agree with this.

JoeC 07-18-2019 01:29 PM

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It would be interesting to talk to Joel and Marty about the relationship with the Baldwin Auto Dealership.

They worked together to sell the SS427 cars but at the same time Baldwin sold their own SS350 SS396 and Z/28 cars. Baldwin also had a parts department that sold hi po parts.
They didn't do a lot of national advertising like Motion did.

Baldwin Chevrolet and Motion Performance were both painted on the drag cars as sponsors

Baldwin may have just sold the COPO 427 cars on their own.

Mr70 07-26-2019 12:54 PM

HERE>https://www.camaros.net/forums/29-fo...tion-sale.html

HERE>https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars...rce=ios_social

Carleen 10-24-2019 01:42 PM

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More Baldwin COPOs?

Stefano 10-24-2019 07:22 PM

There are known/found COPOs from Baldwin which spent time at the Motion shop.

Tracker1 10-29-2019 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Carleen (Post 1454409)
https://www.camaros.net/forums/29-fo...tion-sale.html

It wasn't Black. 69-69 and its the 124379N620192

Current Kijiji ad. Paint missing in the same spots. Endura bumper. No mention of Motion lineage.

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars...aro/1462680276

Carleen 02-04-2020 06:50 PM

I can ad one more COPO Motion.
Passionate Persimmon demo Camaro RS is a 01B COPO 9561
Thats the one that was sold to Brooklyn Heavy, Brooklyn Wild Pumpkin.

JoeC 02-05-2020 03:45 PM

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what did you find to say it was a 427 COPO
I believe both of these photos are the Motion demo and Brooklyn Heavy Wild Pumpkin

it has the SS emblems in the photos

Carleen 02-05-2020 06:45 PM

I read what it says on the Firewall.

Carleen 02-05-2020 06:54 PM

I've found the missing puzzle pieces.
Its the Brahms Chevrolet Camaro that Dave Belk had.

PeteLeathersac 02-05-2020 09:31 PM

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Which :hmmm:ne, 9N550532 as this thread?
https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?p=983341
:beers:
~ Pete

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Carleen 02-05-2020 10:12 PM

9n580532

Carleen 02-05-2020 10:23 PM

I cant take the credit that I found out it was the same car.
Dan Palchanes found the pieces before he disappeared

JoeC 02-05-2020 11:49 PM

did they get the NCRS shipping data report on it?

Carleen 02-06-2020 12:06 AM

No luck with NCRS and NICB.
We have talked about this Camaro for 10+ years JoeC.
My user name on Team Camaro is Nikke

JoeC 02-06-2020 05:19 AM

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was this the car that was thought to be the Tiretown Rat?

Carleen 02-06-2020 02:48 PM

I thought it could have been many cars over the years. I didnt think that cars were repainted when they were new. Replaced gearboxes aso. Also, this case with Brahms Chevrolet has been disruptive.
Someone assumed it was written Chevy by Bramhs on the rear Quarter in gold text.

JoeC 02-06-2020 04:12 PM

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here is an old thread on it

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=135926

I think Brooklyn Heavy had two different 69 Camaros

The 1st gen Camaro had a resurgence as a race car in the mid to late 70s
so there were new race cars built using the 1st gen Camaro instead of the 2nd gen


going by the wheels , I think this 69 was a later build then the orange car

do you have a pic of your trim tag?

Carleen 02-06-2020 05:15 PM

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Its the same Camaro.
They removed the Rally Sport stuff and made it Standard Camaro for 71 season. Also on this Picture on the Quarter "Pats Speed Center". Thats what was assumed to be the gold text " Chevy by Brahms".
Later it was Painted in same scheme as the Challenger and Duster

Kurt S 02-12-2020 05:14 AM

I'm confused, maybe.
9N580532 is the Brahms car.
It is an X22 SS396 car.
Carleen is saying that the "Speed Shop" RS and the Brooklyn Heavy (white with red blocks) are the same car?
Is it also the Motion demo and Brooklyn Heavy Wild Pumpkin (J&L) with SS markings?

JoeC 02-15-2020 12:19 PM

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he has something interesting but I'm not sure what it is.

I don't know if the Brooklyn Heavy (white with red blocks) Camaro is the same car as the Motion demo and Brooklyn Heavy Wild Pumpkin

I say this because Brooklyn Heavy had a 2nd gen Camaro race car before the (white with red blocks) Camaro (I think)

also the (white with red blocks) Camaro picture looks like mid 1970s era set up 69 Camaro.

The 69 Camaro body became a popular build in the mid 1970s for some drag classes

an example is the Motion red white blue Camaro from mid 1970s

Brooklyn Heavy had a lot of cars in the 1970's and maybe he saved or bought back his 69 Camaro but maybe he bought another 69 race car

giiiujd 02-20-2020 06:10 PM

appreciate the input. definitely an interesting camaro. i did notice one baldwin listing in the registry and it is in the same vin range but later. i will try to verify the date on the fan motor and provide an update. thanks again

Carleen 03-10-2020 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeC (Post 1483360)
he has something interesting but I'm not sure what it is.

I don't know if the Brooklyn Heavy (white with red blocks) Camaro is the same car as the Motion demo and Brooklyn Heavy Wild Pumpkin

I say this because Brooklyn Heavy had a 2nd gen Camaro race car before the (white with red blocks) Camaro (I think)

also the (white with red blocks) Camaro picture looks like mid 1970s era set up 69 Camaro.

The 69 Camaro body became a popular build in the mid 1970s for some drag classes

an example is the Motion red white blue Camaro from mid 1970s

Brooklyn Heavy had a lot of cars in the 1970's and maybe he saved or bought back his 69 Camaro but maybe he bought another 69 race car


1975 Heavy was put behind bars and Centerline started produce Wheels in 1970

Carleen 03-12-2020 05:40 PM

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I came in contact with a Guy on facebook from Novia Scotia named Leo.
He had some pictures and info about Motion COPOs.
Bob Mcdonalds Chevrolet

RS COPO 69 Camaro in Nova Scotia, Canada...that came of Motion Perf & was delivered by Joel himself & a 69 COPO Chevelle...both cars where delivered to Bob McDonald's Chevrolet Dealership & raced by Gil Trembley from Moncton NB

Carleen 03-12-2020 05:49 PM

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More Bob Mcdolnads Motion COPOs

Ronnie Locke posing with one of his Camaro’s in front Bob McDonald’s speed shop on Kemp’s Rd, 1969
Another special build Motion COPO 427/450 hp , best ET 11.14

That was one of first 69 COPO cars from motion performance that was supposed to be shipped to Europe .
Ronnie didn't like the stinger hood so it got changed to a scooped hood .
It was a Motion Supercar . 427/450 hp and turned 10.91 with Joel Rosen at the wheel at Drag City upon delivery on an open trailer from NY . .
Ronnie turned 11.31 same day same car .

Carleen 03-12-2020 06:35 PM

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Bob Mcdonalds Motion COPO Chevelle

Carleen 03-12-2020 06:42 PM

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Sorry about the size but you get the big Picture

Mr70 03-12-2020 06:52 PM

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Carleen 03-13-2020 02:28 AM

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Found some more about the Chevelle
Has all the documentation Permts , Letter from Joel Rosen / Motion letterhead etc etc
Motion Perf added rear air bags , 50/50 rear 90/10 front shocks , headers , traction bars , MSD ignition , cool can , dyno tuned engine , re- jetted Holley carb , different cam & lifters , roller rockers , etc etc . Arrived in Halifax ready to race same as any Motion car shipped

COPO built in Oshawa , dropped shipped to Motion ,trailered to Halifax by Joel Rosen and Joel Black ( Black Max funny car ) . Gil drove it several weeks sponsored by Bob McDonald Speed Shop but was disgualified due to 300 deluxe interior & SS exterior trim . As Hi Performance manager / Speed Shop manager , I bought the car and Gil's got a 427 COPO / Motion Maroon Camaro to race .

It arrived from Motion like that except the Ss427 grille emblem that came off a full sized Impala SS427 in the new car stock and was cut to fit grille moulding. . It had a blue bow tie crest for 300 deluxe . Gil wanted it changed so it was changed in the yard . . The wheel well mouldings etc and badges were on it from Motion . Possible that they were added in US . To my knowledge the rear SS emblem was factory . The car has been disputed since it arrived in Canada in 1969 ? It was a real hassle to get Reg. Of . Motor Vehicles to register it as non commercial ( passenger) vehicle due to being listed for commercial use only . That's what I recall . Car sat for months without plates and letters flying between GM and Bob McDonald to get it designated for passenger usage . Once we finally got it registered it was mid summer 69 .

Its the one to the left

GotGrunt 03-13-2020 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Carleen (Post 1488207)
Found some more about the Chevelle
Has all the documentation Permts , Letter from Joel Rosen / Motion letterhead etc etc
Motion Perf added rear air bags , 50/50 rear 90/10 front shocks , headers , traction bars , MSD ignition , cool can , dyno tuned engine , re- jetted Holley carb , different cam & lifters , roller rockers , etc etc . Arrived in Halifax ready to race same as any Motion car shipped

COPO built in Oshawa , dropped shipped to Motion ,trailered to Halifax by Joel Rosen and Joel Black ( Black Max funny car ) . Gil drove it several weeks sponsored by Bob McDonald Speed Shop but was disgualified due to 300 deluxe interior & SS exterior trim . As Hi Performance manager / Speed Shop manager , I bought the car and Gil's got a 427 COPO / Motion Maroon Camaro to race .

Its the one to the left

I thought there were no L72 cars built in Oshawa, same goes for L78 & LS6. Does the car have a VVS report?

Carleen 03-13-2020 03:36 AM

I put in some more info earlier post.
GotGrunt PM sent

ZLP955 03-13-2020 03:57 AM

Very cool vintage pictures, thanks for sharing.

Carleen 03-13-2020 04:24 AM

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Passionate Persimmons

Carleen 03-13-2020 04:27 AM

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Auto Show

Carleen 03-13-2020 02:05 PM

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Just show how a correct Hockey Stripe is

Carleen 03-13-2020 02:26 PM

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If you have a laptop and a good Reading glasses, tilt the screen a little back so you can see that something is written under the paint. Note also the numbers below the Quarterside glass.

JoeC 03-13-2020 03:17 PM

interesting cars and pictures

did they get the NCRS Shipping data and/or Canadian VVS report on the cars?

It may not be on the Canadian VVS if it was brought in as a used car?

I have not heard of COPO 427 Chevelles built in Canada but who knows.
At one time it was thought all COPO 427 Chevelles were built in Baltimore but that turned out to be incorrect

JoeC 03-13-2020 03:31 PM

this thread has other cars from Bob McDonald Speed Shop

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=147260

Carleen 03-13-2020 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeC (Post 1488272)
interesting cars and pictures

did they get the NCRS Shipping data and/or Canadian VVS report on the cars?

It may not be on the Canadian VVS if it was brought in as a used car?

I have not heard of COPO 427 Chevelles built in Canada but who knows.
At one time it was thought all COPO 427 Chevelles were built in Baltimore but that turned out to be incorrect

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