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So sorry to hear that.

Scott: Our prayers and condolences are sent to you and your family.

Dad's are precious!!!

Ryan

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Thank you very much guys, my Dad passed away yesterday, I am very blessed to have been able to spend the last 30 days with him almost every day. He went into Hospice 31 days ago, he was in tremendous pain, and the people at Hospice were wonderful to my Father and made sure he was not in pain, and was at peace. I am greatful for the time I had with him and we had great talks and much love. Take care of your health guys and gals, love your family every day like it's thier last ... it just may be. My Father is the person who enpassion my with the love of Muscle Cars and the cars we restore this year will be dedicated to his memory.

Wishing you all a great weekend with your loved ones.

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Sorry to hear about your fathers passing. It's never easy to lose a loved one. My thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family.

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So sorry for your loss. It's wonderful that your father passed his car passion on to you. I'm sure you'll reflect on all the times you shared working on, discussing and driving cars together.

Thoughts and prayers to you and your family.

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Sorry for your loss Scott. Lost my mom a year ago on Dec. 14th. Never easy!

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Scott, so sorry to hear of your fathers passing. My Dad let me help him tune up his car when I was nine years old. My love of cars was born that day, and is going strong to this day over 40 years later! He is gone 22 yeas, and I miss him every day. He made me who I am. My thoughts and prayers to you and your family.
Buddy

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Scott -- our Lord needed another dedicated gearhead at his side ... your Father matched that need. Godspeed to your Dad ... TAZ

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Here is a picture of me and my dad when I was 19 in 1984 [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...4-img_7942.jpg

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So sorry to hear this Scott. He sounded like a real cool car guy.

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Sorry for your loss Scott

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Sorry for your loss Scott, I lost my mom last November and I find myself thinking about her all of the time.
Mark

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Sorry about your loss, your story of picking up the hobby seems to be quite a common thread... my dad has a picture of me at about 3 years old with my blanket in the back of a 1940 Ford 2 Tudor Sedan taking it apart... mom wasn't amused that I learned to use a screwdriver for within the week I had removed every striker plate, door knob, and electrical outlet cover I could reach and apparently they never found all the screws!
Coming from someone who tries to ensure a car I restore exhibits the qualities displayed by survivors which I have been around (dipped parts with runs, light sprayed areas, oozing sealer, painted edges on chrome and or aluminum valve covers, misted over spray on grilles etc...
Would the interior be replaced in your restoration? Probably a huge market for an interior in that condition. I'm still trying to justify the Historic loss of the the production anomalies and variances... Yes the car shows the variances in the current state and they can be photographed, documented, and otherwise noted, however will they be replicated... Such as the light spray(white misted) on the fender apron drops into the engine compartment?

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Firstgenaddict,

We will restore the car as close to our documentation of it as in its original state ...... the interior will be used in restoration, we will replace carpet, restore gauges and restuff front seats, headliner will be replaced as it is damaged. We will post amazing detailed pictures of car now that it is disassembled and the undercarriage is completely clean...... it came out amazing!!!

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.... Sorry to hear of your loss. My prayers are with you and your family.

... He will be with you more then ever now.

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Thank you very much everyone for the nice comments about my Dad, I would also like to thank Mr. Cook personally for his very nice private message, thank you Darrell for your message, meant a lot to me, your a classy guy, much respect!

Merry Christmas everyone [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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[quote=Stefano] I like that SD both ways, the way you bought it as is as long as it is safe and sound to use and I'm confident that I'm going to like it once it's MASCAR restored. My personal preference is an unrestored car to a restored one.......generally and in most cases and for a multitude of reasons.

Many of the so-called &quot;Survivors&quot; which exist today are what I call &quot;Revivors&quot; , which is a Survivor with restoration work. Some of the work is done so well that most would never know anything was ever done, including paint work.

Untouched and pristine original 'bench mark' / 'time capsule' cars are very few and far between.


I agree and that is why I have no problem with a well documented restored car. There are so many &quot;survivor&quot; cars on the circuit that have had the bodies lifted, paint work, parts swapped out from other cars etc. To me, it's just another restored car with the intent to deceive and made to look old instead of new all in the name of $$ I have always wanted a super low mile untouched and well preserved 67 435 Corvette. Been looking for years and have not found any.

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I will defend Scott on this Topic. Almost all of these survivors are old worn out cars that have been puffed. The ones that have be preserved since new, that's a different story. With this SD we know Exactly what we have and so will the future owners. We have taken over 700 detailed teardown pictures. We also have saved over 500 hours of body labor by starting with this clean original car. Compared to most of the restored junk we start with. We just almost got burnt on a restored numbers matching 69 L89 By not knowing the history or bones of the car. P.S. if anyone knows the Whereabouts of my old Silver 69 Z/28 Survivor please contact me. I would love to have it back and do a full Mascar level restoration on her.

Kenny https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-54912-690.jpg

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Scott, I was checking my semi-functional cellphone and it looks like you left a message on it a while back. Please give me a call again and I will be happy to trade SD455 info.

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Scott,

So sorry to hear of your Dad's passing, but sounds like you got his love for muscle cars and that will continue on. Regarding your TA, having visited MASCAR a few years ago, I'm certain you guys will do a terrific job documenting the build and it will be a terrific example upon completion. While I appreciate there are some strong opinions about what to do with this car, ultimately it's YOUR car.

Merry Christmas to you and your family.

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I LOVE EVERYBODY [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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The intent of this forum is to discuss and promote unrestored cars. There is a restoration forum where restorations should be discussed. As the saying goes &quot;you can restore a car over and over but they are only original once&quot;. Some us like them bruises and all.

Please keep restoration discussion in the appropriate forums moving forward.

I love and own both restored and unrestored cars, but when a car like Skip's orange 69 Z, was found it blew my mind. To me there is nothing like a well preserved time capsule. Factory quality, flaws and all, they just get me excited.

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Scott,

So sorry for your loss.....that is great advice you give. I spent all day with my parents yesterday. I taking nothing for granted, cherish these days.

May Dad RIP.

Dan

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KenMaisano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> P.S. if anyone knows the Whereabouts of my old Silver 69 Z/28 Survivor please contact me. I would love to have it back and do a full Mascar level restoration on her.

Kenny https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-54912-690.jpg
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I wouldnt hold my breath on someone selling you the car back knowing itll get restored without you forking over crazy stupid money for the car.. We need a survivor preservation protection act in place.. Time to write the Senate and Representatives.. http://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smi...h/gr_judge.gif

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KenMaisano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">P.S. if anyone knows the Whereabouts of my old Silver 69 Z/28 Survivor please contact me. I would love to have it back and do a full Mascar level restoration on her.

Kenny https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-54912-690.jpg
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if that car is original paint, then i would seriously be interested in purchasing it and NOT restoring it.

dead serious on this one. i'd love to have it just like it is...and keep her that way [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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She's original paint. I had it posted here for sale Forever. A couple of years ago, and No One would write a check for her in the $60K range. I finally sold it with a combo of carsonline and ebay. I believe it traded hands again last year. for the same $60K.

Kenny

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never saw it, but probably before i got on this site. post your for sale link on here, if you don't care, or pm it to me.

depending on the other details on the car, i very well might be interested now, and would have been then.

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Paceme .... I am a bit confused ... the title of this thread is &quot;Survivor or Restored&quot; and we were discussing that ... we will not be posting any restoration photos, or discussing the cars restoration... we will however share original photos of the car to assist anyone that wants to see original documentation that may be helpful.

Cheers.

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Pusher Man ..... Kens Z 28 was a very cool Survivor, however the paint was not very good .... and the interior smelled horrible [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

Mostly rust free though and very cool. It was sold about a year ago ... we are looking for it as it would be a great car to restore and needs it ... lots of spot painting, etc.....

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Silver paint on 69's never did hold up very well. They tend to look like crap.

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thanks for the info guys. i was curious as to other aspects of the car, and didn't want to take up space asking those questions if they were already pointed out on the site in the for sale section.

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What docs does that car have?

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Pusher-man I will look for the original post on the car and send u a pm.

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I PM'ed you the link, Scott

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...ale#Post576658

Thank you Bruce [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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You are welcome!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RST</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Paceme .... I am a bit confused ... the title of this thread is &quot;Survivor or Restored&quot; and we were discussing that ... we will not be posting any restoration photos, or discussing the cars restoration... we will however share original photos of the car to assist anyone that wants to see original documentation that may be helpful.

Cheers. </div></div>

I Guess the rub is we are discussing the preservation of unrestored cars, your comments have been about restoring 11k mile 73 SD (and documenting the disassembly).

Now your partner Ken posts looking for his old unrestored 69 silver Z to restore. It's interesting when he was selling the car Z he echoed my feelings for unrestored cars &quot;I have driven this car, it's amazing, I have lots of fully restored cars and I must say, this is the best driving muscle car I have ever driven! It's fast, fun and solid!&quot;

I understand you're in the restoration business and you want cars to be perfect, in fact I looked at some of your amazing restorations at MCACN.

Unrestored cars are not perfect, but each assembly imperfection and the bruises each owner put there have a story to tell.

Look forward to following the restoration process on another forum...


BTW the Boss Cougar at MCACN really caught my eye....


Best,

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Keep up the great work Scott. Look forward to seeing your progress pictures and description. While I appreciate and respect survivor cars, I too would follow the same path you are taking and for the reasons you mention.

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Hey Steve, understood...... I love your passion. I want to clarify something ...... in the last 5 years we have only taken in 1 costumer car 1. All of the cars we have restored but 1 have been purchased by Mascar Classics and restored for Mascar Classics. We buy the cars we like and .... at the time ..... we fully intend on keeping them ..... however once they are done, we just can't seem to want to drive them ...... so after seeing this 73 SD Survivor car for sale for so long, I decided to buy it and drive the crap out of it ........ well, after we got it, we saw that in order to make it road worthy, it needed a bunch of stuff done ..... then I was worried about the motor so Kenny pulled the engine to check out the internals and guess what we found..... a pinched cam Bering and had I driven the car much, it most likely would have trashed the motor, so we decided to restore this great car.

My advice, if you buy a survivor it should not be driven it should be stored as is or put on display. I gave this 73 SD more than 1.5 years to sell to someone that would do that ...... guess what, nobody did, so, I payed 109K for the privilege of &quot;in my opinion&quot; doing the car justice and restoring it, hopefully it will be the best in the world....... then after MCACN I am going to drive the heck out of it! HARD [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] it won't be for sale .... for any amount of money, it's my private car.

So the moral of this story is .... if you see a rare survivor and it's desirable ..... you better buy it while you can and preserve it, or stick it in a museum ..... don't drive it &quot;could have a bad cam Bering and you could ruin it&quot; and if you don't buy it, and it's for sale for more than a few month .... well me or some A-Hole like me just might buy it and restore it [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

Love all of you, respect you all, have fun, live every day to its fullest, love your life and have fun ... I do [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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Below is a cut and paste from the Musclecars Wanted Forum and this Preservation Forum is kinda new so maybe it's time to start preserving the few survivors that are left vs new paint , chrome , interia ect.





WANTED: Original Paint 1969 Camaro
by JohnC
0
103
01/06/17 05:38 PM
by JohnC



Wtb survivor 1970 chevelle
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
by rrover
58
7103
01/01/17 11:12 PM
by Donnie



Wanted Unrestored 1967 435 HP Corvette
by SBR
0
191
01/01/17 04:17 PM
by SBR



69 L88 Corvette wanted to buy
( 1 2 all )
by 69 L88

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RST</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Steve, understood...... I love your passion. I want to clarify something ...... in the last 5 years we have only taken in 1 costumer car 1. All of the cars we have restored but 1 have been purchased by Mascar Classics and restored for Mascar Classics. We buy the cars we like and .... at the time ..... we fully intend on keeping them ..... however once they are done, we just can't seem to want to drive them ...... so after seeing this 73 SD Survivor car for sale for so long, I decided to buy it and drive the crap out of it ........ well, after we got it, we saw that in order to make it road worthy, it needed a bunch of stuff done ..... then I was worried about the motor so Kenny pulled the engine to check out the internals and guess what we found..... a pinched cam Bering and had I driven the car much, it most likely would have trashed the motor, so we decided to restore this great car.

My advice, if you buy a survivor it should not be driven it should be stored as is or put on display. I gave this 73 SD more than 1.5 years to sell to someone that would do that ...... guess what, nobody did, so, I payed 109K for the privilege of &quot;in my opinion&quot; doing the car justice and restoring it, hopefully it will be the best in the world....... then after MCACN I am going to drive the heck out of it! HARD [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] it won't be for sale .... for any amount of money, it's my private car.

So the moral of this story is .... if you see a rare survivor and it's desirable ..... you better buy it while you can and preserve it, or stick it in a museum ..... don't drive it &quot;could have a bad cam Bering and you could ruin it&quot; and if you don't buy it, and it's for sale for more than a few month .... well me or some A-Hole like me just might buy it and restore it [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

Love all of you, respect you all, have fun, live every day to its fullest, love your life and have fun ... I do [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] </div></div>

Hi Scott I just saw this. There are many segments to the hobby and it's all good. Glad you use your concours cars, too many are just wall art. The same for survivors, I drive both them both. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]