Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

he has no clue really and his exact words are "i dont care, i bought the engine for the heads for my other car"..he does know its an L78 after that he could care less..ive know the guy 10 years and he's always been straight and up front...i believe what he says..he justs wants to recoup some money...and believe me..it aint cheap..thats my concern..i actually said.."WOW,it has a w in the VIN for Nova" and he shrugged, and said it came from a Nova..so who knows...he's a car guy, and could care less about codes etc..he just enjoys his cars....and that is exactly how ya stumble onto odd stuff..

head number..
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/p...psadhdlrdm.jpg

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

Where is kwhizz?

I would also be interested in KurtS's opinion at least on the engine assy stamp.

Mark, what I was going to posit earlier is the possibility that this engine was built for a very late L89 Camaro (after they started putting C in front of the two letter designation), but since even the late Camaros apparently got codes CJM (auto) and CJJ (manual), I am guessing that isn't likely. HOWEVER, there were other mix ups during that time period. AND late 69 Camaros and early 70 Nova's shared a subframe, so F and X body stuff was mostly interchangeable up until intro of the 70 (what some guys call the 70 1/2) F body. So, just to be safe, I would take a jeweler's lupe and inspect the area down by the starter very carefully. If there is even a hint of an N stamped any where down there.... well, you know. The engine assy stamp could be legit and the Willow run partial added later.

Personally, I would like to see it confirmed as a true 70 Nova L89. Not sure what the engine block is really worth without a car though.

70 l89 NOVA?
 

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All very interesting and seems a good possibility of being genuine?
Is the broaching consistent across the whole pass' side deck surface?
Again run the Vin through the NCRS service for delivering dealer info, more clues are what's needed and the result may lead to others etc.
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~ Pete

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

yes the broaching goes all the way along both decks and are consistent and straight..first thing i looked at..i have pics, but really whats in already posted is relevant...the rest i have really ads nothing else to the conversation

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

Nobody mentioned the possible &quot;human element&quot; here, did the stamper grab a &quot;P&quot; instead of an &quot;O&quot;.? If the stamping blocks were lined up next to each other alphabetically, the P would be next to the O I would think. Far fetched.? maybe, but not impossible I would think. It was 40+ years ago

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRSully</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nobody mentioned the possible &quot;human element&quot; here, did the stamper grab a &quot;P&quot; instead of an &quot;O&quot;.? If the stamping blocks were lined up next to each other alphabetically, the P would be next to the O I would think. Far fetched.? maybe, but not impossible I would think. It was 40+ years ago </div></div>

Sully has figured it out! August 8th, 1969 was a Friday and the engine guys were probably thinking about the weekend....problem solved! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img]

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where is kwhizz?

I would also be interested in KurtS's opinion at least on the engine assy stamp.

Mark, what I was going to posit earlier is the possibility that this engine was built for a very late L89 Camaro (after they started putting C in front of the two letter designation), but since even the late Camaros apparently got codes CJM (auto) and CJJ (manual), I am guessing that isn't likely. HOWEVER, there were other mix ups during that time period. AND late 69 Camaros and early 70 Nova's shared a subframe, so F and X body stuff was mostly interchangeable up until intro of the 70 (what some guys call the 70 1/2) F body. So, just to be safe, I would take a jeweler's lupe and inspect the area down by the starter very carefully. If there is even a hint of an N stamped any where down there.... well, you know. The engine assy stamp could be legit and the Willow run partial added later.

Personally, I would like to see it confirmed as a true 70 Nova L89. Not sure what the engine block is really worth without a car though.
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Is that even plausible since the the engine assembly plant stamped the engine code and the vehicle plant stamped the partial vin..??.. As for the stamp in question I think its legit but whether it was human error or not... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

Mark, you can always plant the seed - let him know you would be willing to supply another set of heads(whatever he cared for TFS brodix ect) in tyhe future so you could keep this one complete. I know I would!

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zman1969</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mark, you can always plant the seed - let him know you would be willing to supply another set of heads(whatever he cared for TFS brodix ect) in tyhe future so you could keep this one complete. I know I would! </div></div>

The heads don't really matter...they can be sourced, and based on the info supplied the heads are important to the current owner...not worth rocking the boat IMO.

-wilma

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

he wants the &quot;winters snow flake&quot;..the heads are in another chevy thats pretty cool..i'll just let him know i'm interested, but it isnt gonna happen..he did the frame and drive train resto and will never take it back apart, and neither would I..so i will just let him know the &quot;if ever&quot; speech and see whats what..

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...9-100_0571.jpg
Here is a pad stamp from a 1970 LS5 Chevelle. No one sees a problem here?

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

i know you think the C is wrong on the Nova stamp i appreciate the help, i do....and i do see what you are saying.

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

Your C does look more open than others I've seen.
Dale has some nice photographed examples too. http://chevellestuff.net/1970/engines/index.htm

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

Troy says the C should have a straight back and not the curve like this one..as i look around, i see both styles some are called right out re=stamps some are accepted as real????hows a guy to know..

.too bad theres no known/confirmed willow run stamp pics avail to do a side by side..even 325 horse stuff just to compare..the C doesnt bother me too much..its the W..and a friends statement this morning kinda shook me a little...he's seen more BBC stamps than anyone here could ever..he liked it except he said &quot;boy the stamp sure looks fresh&quot;

i see the small block &quot;C&quot; and CE share the same font thats on this block..throws a few questions up....

i am not smart enough to tell..but i did find a willow run 396 and it has the same C as the one i am looking at..close to this on production number too..just a few thousand cars away..

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

CKP stamp is not an original stamp in my opinion. Sorry.

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

The broach lines just don't look parallel on the CKP stamp. Look at the broach lines at the top left of the &quot;P&quot; and top right of the &quot;P&quot; and the lower left of the &quot;O&quot; and lower center of the &quot;O&quot;, they are way off of parallel.

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

It took awhile to find this photo...note the 'C' in CKO. This is from our 22k mile 70 survivor...you can decide.

-wilma

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...n_dscn0968.jpg

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

He said it came out of a Nova, so ask him if the car was restored then totaled, or if it was original, just trashed? If it had been restored, then a restamp is possible. If was a beater, then a restamp is highly unlikely. Did he actually see the car, or was he just told it came out of a Nova?????

Verne

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

Mark,
FWIW, I wouldn't pay a premium for that short block based on that deck stamp. If I were inspecting it for a customer based on issues that I see that others have pointed out I would tell them it's not in my opinion an authentic stamping. Since this motor is already mostly apart I would perform a deck height measurement. That will most likely put this debate to bed.
Chris

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

def a different C...thanks Wilma..appreciate it

i have repeated what i was told Verne, he gave me some contact info of the last 3 owners, he was told it came from a 70SS car where it had been for a long time..i dont know if thats 2 years or 20 I have the machinists/assy guys name and i know who he is, i see him at swap meets from time to time...and i will try to run him down..heck i may see him tonight, we have a weekly swap meet and he's been there a few times...so who knows..he was not the owner, he just assembled the thing..

oh well...it was extremely exciting..and a lot of fun..we will see...

i will update this as i gather more info...i'm stepping back and waiting on some better back story etc..but please..anyone with anything to add..please do so...

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

Like Mark noted,I too was looking @ the uniformity of the parallel lines.
Also looks like there's a character behind the letter P,but that might be the camera lighting.

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

Here's another &quot;C&quot; for comparisons.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps8ghxb6ck.jpg

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

Here's another:

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Ss4...3/image-X3.jpg

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

And yet another &quot;W&quot; to compare. Notice the patina on this pad and how suttle the broach marks are, they look very bright on your's Mark. Keep digging.
Mike

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...ova_ss_196.jpg

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

Adding marxjunk 2 pics under the previous 3 to compare easier.
From here the W in Mikes stamping looks much taller &amp; narrower in the center section,than marxjunk W which looks shorter there &amp; wider too.

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/p...psb5t3hfnz.jpg
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/p...psyklter0f.jpg

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

heres a WR L78 on ebay for sale.....and i just realized is for sale by a member here..
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/p...psgm7xfolt.jpg

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

marxjunk
After all that's been said here,try running the VIN# through George Z. @ Vintage Vehicle Services.
If it doesn't hit,there's no charge.
Reason I suggest this to you is I have some very early 1970 Chevrolet Canadian dealer ordering guides showing the L-89 Aluminum head L-78 Nova mentioned.
I always took it as unrealistic because it was printed August 1969 and it soon vanished within the following months,but your car got me thinking about it again.

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-50469-018.jpg
Here's another example of a &quot;W&quot; from my '69 L78 Nova

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

I think its fair to say that the 'W's are varied, so the issue with the L89 block in question is probably more about the 'C' and the broach marks....

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">marxjunk
After all that's been said here,try running the VIN# through George Z. @ Vintage Vehicle Services.
If it doesn't hit,there's no charge.
Reason I suggest this to you is I have some very early 1970 Chevrolet Canadian dealer ordering guides showing the L-89 Aluminum head L-78 Nova mentioned.
I always took it as unrealistic because it was printed August 1969 and it soon vanished within the following months,but your car got me thinking about it again. </div></div>https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...9-img_1648.jpg

George does charge a minimum fee for running vin#'s. I just got this form on Wednesday morning directly from George.

Thought you may want to know about this.

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

thank you, i appreciate it..

i have a few appointments to see/talk to people this weekend..we will see how it goes..maybe i can weasel some info out..

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

That's understandable to see VVS is charging a minimum fee now,regardless if it hits or not.
I feel fortunate to have been able to run so many cars through them for free in the past,which I imagine many others did too &amp; thus why the fee now.

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

Here is another pad stamp from a documented, original 1970 LS5 Chevelle.

Bill https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...7-img_3352.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...8-img_3353.jpg

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

Nice suttle looking broach marks, with the patina. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]
Mike

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

No question in my mind, that's a restamp.
Those aren't broach marks, but sanding marks.
I have quite a few 70 WR VIN stamps, including several in this VIN range - it matches none.

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

yes, i understand it now...i appreciate you weighing in...

Re: 70 l89 NOVA?
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kurt S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No question in my mind, that's a restamp.
Those aren't broach marks, but sanding marks.
I have quite a few 70 WR VIN stamps, including several in this VIN range - it matches none. </div></div>


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