Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.
 

I'd be happy to bring detailed photos of the tags and VINs, but the car itself would take up valuable space at the show.

Thanks to everybody who contributed, it is good to hear that there are other oddballs out there. If this discussion proves anything it is that mistakes and anomalies exist throughout these cars.

Going back to the start of this - does anybody have any photos of this car ? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.
 

There are now three different topics being discussed.

This car:
Looking at the tag, it's amazingly straight for having the firewall behind it twisted.
I don't understand how you are saying this is possible - body # or build date.
The Chevrolet Central Data Systems (basically the Central Office) &quot;tele-processed&quot; the orders to the plant. Orders were tracked by the order #.
When the body came through the wall to the body bank, the clerk would pull up the order via the number on the trim tag (which is the same as the order # in 69) and input the VIN (which had just been assigned). The data from the order was used to generate the Chassis and Body Broadcast Sheets that were printed throughout the plant.
Without the correct order #, the order couldn't be pulled up and the broadcast sheets could not be generated.
http://www.camaros.org/assemblyprocess.shtml#chev


Marlin,
That's normal - body # to VIN vary a little. Same with the 69 COPOs.
The build date of this car is a month early and the body # is 50,000 units - months of production - late.

Mark,
Tag and VIN match on that COPO - just looks like it was held (for a repair?) at the plant.

X77,
No. There are no other anomalies like this. 20,000 cars in the database - none have a trim tag a month early nor a body # off like this. That's why the tag caught my eye.

Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.
 

Kurt,

You forgot me... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.
 

Sorry, you are part of the 'This car&quot; discussion. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.
 

Kurt,

As you no doubt are are aware I stand ready to assist the CRG in making it's assembly process document the best it can be.

As it is the process as written today is accurate for the assembly operations managed by General Motors Assembly Division (GMAD) but is lacking in it's technical discussion pertaining to the differences where Fisher Body and Chevrolet worked as separate operating divisions at Norwood.

Let me know how I can be of assistance for the betterment of the hobby.

Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.
 

Kurt,
Yes I understand the Yenko I mentioned has a matching vin # /BDY #. The &quot;Hog Wild&quot; car has a BDY # that does not match the vin # /build date. The Yenko has an actual build date (components/ship date later in April) that does not match the vin/ BDY #. If the Yenko was held for repairs, they repaired/built the entire car later in April.
Mark

Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.
 

What are the sheet metal dates on the body?

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Phil,
Feel free to propose edits.

Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.
 

Sounds good. I have your e mail.

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Sorry, my computer was in the shop for a few days. When I can, I'll dig her out of the back of the shop and get some more info off this thing. Better photos of the tag, VINs, punchings and sheetmetal dates. Wasn't expecting this left turn in things, so I'm unprepared.

Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.
 

All you asked for was info on the race car...I feel for you in this instance.

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I was finally able to get some additional photos of areas that were questioned. Hopefully these will ease some concerns. First was the mention of the crumpled area of the cowl and why wasn't the tag damaged. These show that it may be nothing more than a less than perfect stamping of the panel.

Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.
 

Next are the factory holes for the ZL-2 equipment. This stuff probably hit the dumpster pretty quickly.

Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.
 

Lastly are the remainders of what were holes for the Muncie Speedometer Cable and the Oil Pressure line. You can still see some of the original hole at the top of the Speedo cable hole and the where the retaining clip attached. The oil line hole isn't easy to verify as no evidence of the original hole remains, however the 2nd owner ( since 1970 ) verifies it was a gauge car. He says why drill a new hole when you can punch out the one already there. Makes sense from a hack job standpoint, but makes it harder to fix. Obviously, this old girl was ridden hard, but doesn't deserve a bad rap.

Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.
 

If you pull the LF fender off, you will probably see side cowl damage.

Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.
 

We replaced the 'glass front with steel and there is no damage whatsoever. No evidence of repairs either.

Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.
 

Could this be the original block:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.p...05.0;topicseen

Now to verify those numbers....

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Sounds like we may have a winner!

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That would be pretty amazing. What are the odds that the owner of a clapped out race car and the owner of a long mothballed engine would both decide to seek information on the web simultaneously after so many years? I hope it's a match and that this old race car can now have a proper restoration justified.

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To say I am pretty surprised is an understatement. We do have a match and are working out the final details. I've provided this gentleman with all the proof he desires and he seems satisfied. He didn't have to go to this effort and it impresses me that he did. He could have also really reamed me on the price and isn't. A true car guy who gets it. I truly owe him a huge Thank You ! I've owned the car for about a year now and decided it was time to try and learn some of it's history and that's why I posted it. Better to be lucky than good sometimes I guess.

A full restoration ? Maybe someday. I kinda like the car as a drag car and with an L-88 as it's been since the '70s. I have been collecting the parts in case I decide to but that will be down the road a bit. At MCACN this year I spent some time chatting with Ken Barnhart about his car and it really dawned on me the similarities between the cars. Both were tubbed for S/S at the same time, using the same stuff. His a ZL-1, mine a Z-28. Soon after mine gained an L-88 making things more similar. It was then that the &quot;History&quot; truly sunk in. I will say that the motor and car will never be more than a few yards apart again. Who knows, when I get that 302 in the shop, I might change my mind. Either way, their day will come.

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WOW! Awesome. I love seeing this happen. Now that the original block was found with the assembly stamping, where does that leave the trim tag?

Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.
 

If I read the Craigs list ad right the block was V0310DZ. Cast C-4-9.

Tag was dated 03-A

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Congrats on the find,
Humm? An L88 in a restored '69 Z/28 1970 era vintage race car with history and provenance is a sight to behold. Along with the original born with 302 dZeeing away on an engine stand a few feet away in the show display is well..........a joy to most, a thrill for many and a history lessen to all.
Come on,,,get that shell on a rotisserie
and get rolling...... I'm a top 5 fan !!!