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Too bad it doesn't have "aluminum heads"...that would really spice things this up [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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I have a special Snap-on buffer that will fix all the rough spots! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]
A gallon of Armor All on the inside...look 10 years newer. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] Don is right in so many ways...needs a ton of work... getting it running is slim but possible. Buy it and put it away till the funds or parts catch up to restore it the way it was back in the day. This car could be a great Big Block Camaro. Leave the hood at least get it in Black primer. So many options with this car but not at 30,000 half would be more gooder! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/drool.gif[/img] Dave 67 Nova Boy |
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Lots of energy on this thread, but then again, everyone is entitled to their opinions and everyone can spend their own money the way they want to.
Personally, I really like L78 Camaro's, Nova's and Chevelle's. I am about 30% through my own frame-off restoration on a '69 L78 Nova bought from a member here. I paid $20k for a project L78 Nova. Maybe I could have found one cheaper, bargained harder or held out for the best deal, but to me it was a fair deal for a restorable car with original drivetrain. I love doing the work myself, all I can except the body work and paint and a few little things I farm out. But hours upon hours upon hours spent in my shop after wife and kid have gone to bed are pure heaven to me and allow me to forget work stress, economy stress and everything else. It will probably cost me all in $45k to restore my Nova, so I'll be in it for $65k. I don't care, as I plan on keeping the car and adding another one to my collection when its done by seeking out another L78 Camaro, Z-28 Camaro or LS6 Chevelle to do. Its what I enjoy doing and when my 4 year old is a bit older, he'll hopefully join me out there before bed time. I don't think we have to look at every car out there as something we'd be underwater on or as a POS, etc. To each his own. If I'm dumb enough to pay $20k for a restorable L78 Nova, I'd surely pay $30k for this Camaro. And, if my Nova were 90% done right now, I'd end this debate by buying this Camaro. At any rate, we all enjoy the hobby for different reasons, as it should be. |
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Just give it time. I'm sure it will have aluminum heads, JL8 brakes and God knows what else.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's why there's vanilla and chocolate Dan or blondes and brunettes if you will. If you want to drive a piece of shit around that's your right. And what badass story we talking about because it was picked up at Baldwin chevy??? Big deal! What's that mean anyway? Maybe seems cool to you because your from up that way. I guess I would think it's cool if it came from Reedman chevy but you have to call a spade a spade at some point. </div></div>
The car is loaded up on day-2 parts. The story might be untold at the moment but the parts clearly indicate such. A hi-performance dealer is cool regardless of location. The NCRS paperwork maybe able to support claims. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If you can't see that body needs work then I'm sorry but it looks like it hit everything but the lottery to me. Those quarters are cut pretty high to me. And again I'm sorry and not trying to piss you off really I'm not but cars without paper docs and good owner history never sell for big money! </div></div> Don, you're not pissing me off. You're looking at this Camaro through the lens of a business. I'm not. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> That's the way of the world. I didn't make the rules, that's just the way it is. You guys know that. I really wish you would buy it. Then get back to me when you want to sell it after you spent all the money it needs to get back of running and driving. Then you'll know what I'm talking about. I am not attacking you in any way but you always seem to get really pissed off when I make a point about a certain car. I've been in this hobby/Business longer than you've been alive and have owned and restored some very rare cars which I drive and beat the shit out of no matter how much they are worth so I think I know what I'm talking about and have a right to an opinion but remember it's just my opinion. No big deal. Let's be friends . Now I'm going back to shovel some MORE snow.You will have to shovel later I'm sure. </div></div> Again, I am not pissed off. You have the wrong impression. What frustrates me is your underlying theme. If you continue to stifle the next generation of enthusiasts who adore the day lights out of these "pieces of shit" you're ultimately going to hurt your own investment. Who my age is buying these cars? Fads and popular theme change - day 2, street freak, etc happened throughout time as tastes changed and generations came and went. As I've said before, enjoy the individualism of these cars and respect tastes. Its unbecoming to strong arm someone in an online debate with the sentiment of age, experience, and generation when ultimately its a flip-flopped argument. Dan |
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I hope someone buys this car, gets docs and sells for a home run. Like that has never happened before. Then see what people have to say, just total silence. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif[/img]
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I like my olds blue jeans and T-shirts [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]
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I've been into/obsessed with factory-built American high-performance cars since the late '70s - early 80s... 12 years old.
During that time we've seen the restoration trend where a pretty good used car became a shiny show car (think Musclecar Review's resto of that LeMans Blue '69 Z28 in '82 or'83), accompanied by the boom in the re-pop parts biz. The same magazine spawned the term "restification" where subtle mods made your show car a nice driver with better brakes, better steering and a few more ponies, but nobody could see any of it just looking under the hood - the current F.A.S.T. race cars can trace their existence to that same term first coined in MCR. Then we started to see crazy, over-the-top restorations, e.g., guys like Roger Gibson where original paint runs and phosphate finishes on the heads of bolts were/are duplicated in almost obsessive compulsive detail, turning their nose up at the use of ANY re-pop parts. Then the term 'Survivor' was taken from the Corvette folks and applied to any muscle car retaining most of its original personality and identity under a sheen of "patina". Then, hot on the heels of that, discovering a "Barn Find" became all the rage...everything now has spent time in a GD barn, "comes with original rat poop in the glove box". Now this "rat muscle" trend has taken hold: a barn find hauled from a shed or a backyard that looks like with a week's work it could actually run around the block - and that's what this Camaro represents to some people - Rat Muscle. (though I think a week's work for this particular Rod is a bit optimistic) Now, that's four or five evolutions of stock musclecar (not including G-machines here) enjoyment, usage and associated terminology in just over 30 years. Trends are trends, you can't ignore them. Some people like a new trend, some people don't. There are definitely people who will salivate over this car because it looks crusty. And some who think it's a POS. But if we all liked the same thing... |
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Looks like my Deuce when I bought it back in '96! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/eek.gif[/img] Just like my Deuce, you have to simply 'want it' because it's the car for you, regardless as to whether you are upside down in the end. However, I couldn't drive it like that, how embarrassing would that be?!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's why there's vanilla and chocolate Dan or blondes and brunettes if you will. If you want to drive a piece of shit around that's your right. And what badass story we talking about because it was picked up at Baldwin chevy??? Big deal! What's that mean anyway? Maybe seems cool to you because your from up that way. I guess I would think it's cool if it came from Reedman chevy but you have to call a spade a spade at some point. </div></div>
The car is loaded up on day-2 parts. The story might be untold at the moment but the parts clearly indicate such. A hi-performance dealer is cool regardless of location. The NCRS paperwork maybe able to support claims. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If you can't see that body needs work then I'm sorry but it looks like it hit everything but the lottery to me. Those quarters are cut pretty high to me. And again I'm sorry and not trying to piss you off really I'm not but cars without paper docs and good owner history never sell for big money! </div></div> Don, you're not pissing me off. You're looking at this Camaro through the lens of a business. I'm not. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> That's the way of the world. I didn't make the rules, that's just the way it is. You guys know that. I really wish you would buy it. Then get back to me when you want to sell it after you spent all the money it needs to get back of running and driving. Then you'll know what I'm talking about. I am not attacking you in any way but you always seem to get really pissed off when I make a point about a certain car. I've been in this hobby/Business longer than you've been alive and have owned and restored some very rare cars which I drive and beat the shit out of no matter how much they are worth so I think I know what I'm talking about and have a right to an opinion but remember it's just my opinion. No big deal. Let's be friends . Now I'm going back to shovel some MORE snow.You will have to shovel later I'm sure. </div></div> Again, I am not pissed off. You have the wrong impression. What frustrates me is your underlying theme. If you continue to stifle the next generation of enthusiasts who adore the day lights out of these "pieces of shit" you're ultimately going to hurt your own investment. Who my age is buying these cars? Fads and popular theme change - day 2, street freak, etc happened throughout time as tastes changed and generations came and went. As I've said before, enjoy the individualism of these cars and respect tastes. Its unbecoming to strong arm someone in an online debate with the sentiment of age, experience, and generation when ultimately its a flip-flopped argument. Dan </div></div>That's where we differ Dan. You don't know anything about me and you couldn't be more wrong about me. We should talk this spring at the show and then you will understand where I'm coming from. I am not looking at this from a businessman point of view at all. Anyone close to me will tell you I buy most of my cars with my heart and lots of times lose money on them because I want them right more than I want to line my pockets. There's been times when I could have made money on a car just flipping it but I always have to put my touch on it and sometimes I make less for working on it but I get a feeling of accomplishment when I see a car come full circle and that's much more important to me in the end. I hate when I have to sell one of my cars because they mean a lot to me but my family has to eat and I'm not rich except in personality..(just see if your listening) Believe me when I tell you I truly want a younger generation to love these cars like me. Hell,I brought my son home from the Hospital in a 69 Ram air GTO JUDGE and the very first picture I took of him was on the hood in his bassinet next to the hood tach with the ram air decals positioned perfectly next to him so believe me NOBODY is a bigger fanatic of cars. I am not driven by the money but I am also a realist and if your smart like a lot of the guys on this site you have to treat these cars like an investment also incase of loss of job,illness or even death so I don't just piss my money away on a whimsical buy. You have to be smarter than that and I'm actually surprised that don't feel that way because Sammy tells me your a very smart well educated kid. And yes age and experience does fall into the equation here. I'm just trying to be the voice of reason for you and don't want to see anyone hurt in the end buying this car. I have no ill Will toward you,I just hate all these overpriced cars and the fact that sellers are taking advantage of this barn find craze where in right now. Now back to the weather!!!! |
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I'm running out of popcorn..... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]
Dicky [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif[/img] |
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That camaros been advertised. It's an overpriced junk pile ....
Off and on for years Porter Chevrolet is now a honda Only dealer it's located in Cambridge Ma ( my friend ran the dealership And when the owner dropped Chevrolet My buddy gave me all of the parts Department parts books.... It was a Chevrolet dealer For many many years 50+ |
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"Now back to the weather!!!!"..
Sleeting here in upstate NY...should be lovely in the morning [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif[/img] |
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Donny has some nice snow tires for that camaro. Period correct!
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<span style="font-size: 14pt">I'll buy someone a beverage of their choice if they bring one of their muscle cars to the next MCACN shod with some vintage snow tires. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]</span>
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Sam, there are usually some at the show, but in the barn find display & probably on the front.
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Having a 900+ point car is a non issue with some or even one with a shiny paint job. Some like to actually drive their cars without worrying about a bug getting on it. Some could care less about having a car with lot's of paper work. There are lots of cars out there with the original drivetrain with no POP that we know are original.
It might have some rust or a dent.....I personally like the car. Is it worth 30k?......beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Hell, Julia Roberts married Lyle Lovett....not for very long, but you I think you get the point. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img] Anyway...I get what's being said and respect all sides but sometimes being upside down on a purchase of a car isn't the only thing in this hobby, enjoying it is and from what a lot of us here see, a little work "might" bring that out in this car. If the car is completely rotted and the motor is trash.....than that's another issue. My glass is half full. Kurt [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]: P.S. Sammy, if this is the only thing we disagree on....we're doing good. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] |
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[quote=mockingbird812]<span style="font-size: 14pt">I'll buy someone a beverage of their choice if they bring one of their muscle cars to the next MCACN shod with some vintage snow tires. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]</span> [/quote. That plan was already in effect. I will be there with them on my car!
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Somebody go look at the car and get more info!!!
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Eddie - you NEED this project. Projects are drying up at your shop these days!!!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img]
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 14pt">I'll buy someone a beverage of their choice if they bring one of their muscle cars to the next MCACN shod with some vintage snow tires. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]</span> </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Studded</span></span> snow tires will get you 2 drinks!!!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] |
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GO EDDIE GO,GO EDDIE GO!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 14pt">I'll buy someone a beverage of their choice if they bring one of their muscle cars to the next MCACN shod with some vintage snow tires. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]</span> </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Studded</span></span> snow tires will get you 2 drinks!!!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] </div></div> I kid you not, there is a driveway just down the street from me that has the studded snow tire grooves that I left there over 40 years ago with my 67 SS Camaro.. My best friend lived there, now deceased, and his dad had a fit when he seen the grooves. I smile everytime I see them. OK, back to topic at hand. |
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Cool. post a photo!!!!
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Now I know where my 1st 2 drinks are coming from....
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Studded snow burnouts.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img]
Sill have a set of grooves in my Dads garage.......Atlas Snow Kings on my Camaro when I bought it! I think he's still pissed.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img] BIG |
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HAAA!
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If you got this Camaro running and carefully cleaned and carefully detailed it, without screwing up the patina and the vibe, you could drive this into any old-guy cruise night or even a Goodguys fairground show and the sniffers would be all over it before you parked, sniffing for the money. You couldn't get the hood open fast enough. Guys would be looking underneath and inside, iPhones snapping pics like crazy, and they'd pepper you with questions as if you were in police custody for murder. The pics would be on the Internet within an hour and the discussion would be off like a moon rocket. Best part is you'd have a cool (mostly) unmolested Day 2 '69 L78 Camaro.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427TJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you got this Camaro running and carefully cleaned and carefully detailed it, without screwing up the patina and the vibe, you could drive this into any old-guy cruise night or even a Goodguys fairground show and the sniffers would be all over it before you parked, sniffing for the money. You couldn't get the hood open fast enough. Guys would be looking underneath and inside, iPhones snapping pics like crazy, and they'd pepper you with questions as if you were in police custody for murder. The pics would be on the Internet within an hour and the discussion would be off like a moon rocket. Best part is you'd have a cool (mostly) unmolested Day 2 '69 L78 Camaro. </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 14pt">I'll buy someone a beverage of their choice if they bring one of their muscle cars to the next MCACN shod with some vintage snow tires. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]</span> </div></div>
<span style="font-size: 20pt"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Studs with</span></span> snow tires will get you 2 drinks!!!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]</span> </div></div> Okay Sam...you have me worried now. I think the midwest is getting to you....LOL |
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Noob here... and a guy who really, really misses his hot rodded (by somebody else earlier in it's life) '69.
My $.02, man, if I had $20k and could show up at this guys door and walk away with it, and had another few bucks to get the drive train back into running order and fix the body... I'm not the guy would would have to have NOS sheet metal or a period correct pulley... Basically, I've seen some really nice local recreation cars for around $30k that are great, but they're not L78 cars with Baldwin style hoods. I could just see it being a fun ass driver. |
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Hey Shane - welcome aboard. Always nice having Picksburg guys around here! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]
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Thank you Sam. I actually grew up in Latrobe and lived there until a few years ago too. I had heard rumors of a garage that I'd passed 1000 times having some "special" Camaros in it, but I didn't know jack schitt about SCW until I registered here. (smacks forehead!) And Joe even grew up next to my grandparents' and I still had no idea!
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well now you do!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: anodyne33</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you Sam. I actually grew up in Latrobe and lived there until a few years ago too. I had heard rumors of a garage that I'd passed 1000 times having some "special" Camaros in it, but I didn't know jack schitt about SCW until I registered here. (smacks forehead!) And Joe even grew up next to my grandparents' and I still had no idea! </div></div>
Ha! Joey flies below the radar..... |
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I do remember back when I was a kid the Cyclone that he dug up and brought home from Ohio and turned into an amazing head turner... but that's for another thread... okay, enough for my threadjack.
Somebody talk some sense into this guy, get this car for a reasonable price, give it some love, and set it loose again on the world! |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: anodyne33</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Somebody talk some sense into this guy, get this car for a reasonable price, give it some love, and set it loose again on the world! </div></div>
Sounds like you are 'that guy'! |
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Went to look at it with a friend of mine (realty
Company owner) friend brought cash very close to what owner Wants now No sale ...... The Camaro owner thinks he got a gold mine There ( more like a golden turd) Good luck on that sale . Car needs full resto.... And then some... |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: daverd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Went to look at it with a friend of mine (realty
Company owner) friend brought cash very close to what owner Wants now No sale ...... The Camaro owner thinks he got a gold mine There ( more like a golden turd) Good luck on that sale . Car needs full resto.... And then some... </div></div>Well said! |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: daverd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Went to look at it with a friend of mine (realty
Company owner) friend brought cash very close to what owner Wants now No sale ...... The Camaro owner thinks he got a gold mine There ( more like a golden turd) Good luck on that sale . Car needs full resto.... And then some... </div></div> Did u guys get some better pix to post? More details please. |
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