Re: Motion Nova ???????
 

The car seems to have some typical Motion modifications which were common back in the day and emulated by many enthusiasts at the time. Motion also had a robust mail order business and since the parts were not Motion specific, could have been purchased at a local speed shop or a Chevrolet dealer such as mid-year corvette side exhausts.

Some of the details about the actions of the 18-year owner don't seem very logical, but then again, not too many teenagers are terribly strategic or pragmatic in their thinking. It is often about instant gratification, so if the funds were available anything is possible.

Hopefully with the new ownership, some more concrete details will emerge about the car and a link to the Motion shop will be found. Regardless of the outcome, the car seems to have an interesting history and should be a good project to enjoy.

Best of luck.

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Everywhere I check to decode the cowl tag for this car V-6 on the cowl tag and the broadcast sheet. The V comes up as sequoia green but can't find a number 6 for the vinyl top anywhere. All the decode sites show 1-white vinyl top 2-black vinyl top 3-green vinyl top 4-blue vinyl top. Any help out there on this? 745 interior gold color

Re: Motion Nova ???????
 

1968 Chevelle list shows a v-top 6 code as white, Chevy II may have used the same

The info Dan said about the style of the stripe and spoiler holes may have been for the big Motion spoiler sounded to me like they were Motion items used after 1968.

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No number 1 for Nova was white.

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Talked to paint shop that worked on car back then they said that it was a gold vinyl top that would make sense probably since it has number 6 to go along along with the gold interior.

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Could not find any gold color anywhere at Nova parts places for Vinyl Top only other color could find was Buckskin do you think that is what guy meant?

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----Jason,,, All the corvette factory side pipe covers I know of screw on from the side........Bill S

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Mike C. I hope you mailed Dan a card after you sold his pride and joy!:)

As for Dan I have talked to him many many times with this car, And helped him locate a lot of family members and addresses of the original owner.
Unfortunately I had a falling out with Dan about 2 years ago. I truly hope the best for the man!

Ok as for this car now that Dan does not own it. It will become documented. I will bet the dog on it. ( he barks to much).
That is the bad part about these motion cars IMO, has happened to many times.

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How can you find out who the original owner was??

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I have a program that's linked into most of the record rooms in the county courthouses in PA & NJ. Also spent some time at court houses for Dan researching.
He had some previous owners names and I was able to go from there.

Re: Motion Nova ???????
 

I'm just curious about this car now that its been brought up. Has Joel ever said its definitely Not a motion car or conversion.
I know a few people have spoken with Joel about this car. I know he has his issues with Dan, but I have never heard anyone say JR said it is Not a motion car. And hey I'm just saying maybe that leaves the door open for a owner down the road that finds proper Docs to have it certified.

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Bit by bit the details will come forth.

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I believe so, but I know a lot of people over the years have talked to JR about this car. I'm just curious if he has ever said a definite NO to anyone about this car.

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Dan rubbed him wrong somehow and if it is the first 68 motion nova he was not gonna let Dan have the documentation for a $100,000-150,000 rare Motion.

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What makes the car worth 100-150K ? It sounds like a non Baldwin car that was brought to Motion after the fact. Are any after the fact cars bringing that kind of money ?

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Ok here's my 2 cents worth, I did speak to Joel, he made it clear he had no interest in discussing the car or the person that owned it prior to me in any way shape or form. He also made it clear that everything he had heard prior to me calling on the car and what he had for records NO WAY tied the car to Motion performance. he further stated that he would NEVER be involved with anything concerning this car... BTW that information was given to Barry prior to him agreeing to purchase the car from me.

a lot of the information I was given concerning the car didn't match what I saw in person once receiving the car....

I tried a NOS set of corvette side pipe covers on to see if they any way matched the holes in the rockers, there was no way to make them match but the holes do match the factory rocker molding which by the way do not have any other holes drilled in them.

The brake booster and master cylinder numbers and front disc brake parts came back to a 1969 Chevelle and from what I have been told they would have been installed on a car not counter parts based on all the numbers, that also did not match the story I was given about the brake system being converted when new...

There was something under the cowl panel that I couldn't tell for sure what it was, I had a body man with 30 years experience that restores classics look at it too. he too could not tell for sure, he did say it could be very old compound or over spray. his opinion was the only way to tell for sure would be to have a lab test it, but compound could also have signs of old pain in it too...there were no other signs of any strip or much else since all was long gone and parts left were old and rusty!!!

I was told by two separate employees of the NJ DMV on phone conversations that they did have the information in research area for vehicles of this age, so I did send a request with funds to NJ to see if they could give me registration history since there is a loop hole in there system that will allow them to release that information if it is for research only use.

I received a response from them TODAY that stated they had NO HISTORY on this vehicles vin number., so I assumption after today is that something's don't add up about it.

Its also very funny that Dan called me today stating he is working with Barry to get the car certified, and he got very mad and hung up when I told him what both JOEL, NJ DNV stated and that Barry said Dan was stalking him now during my last conversation with him a couple of weeks ago..

I don't think there would be any way to tell for sure, but it is a body with some parts, none of which could be proven to be original to the car since Dan was buying up old B/M parts so who would know for sure what was with the car and what wasn't. That being said the car is Missing the Engine, Trans., Rear end and will need a lot and I mean a lot of parts replaced to restore the car to a show level. As for the value of the car or body, its only worth what someone will pay for it on any given day!!!

keep in mind the Original person thought to own have owned the car is dead, the friends and people associated with the cars are 45 years older now with fading memories... there stories change on every conversation that anyone has with them, my opinion is simple we all chase the brass ring and we all want the next barn find to be a HOME RUN !!!! seldom are they ever !!! the real collectible cars are original fully documented number matching cars that have been professionally over restored to a concourse level that makes it hard for the owner to get his investment back in this day and age....enjoy them for what they are, a piece of our history and childhood that bring back good memories...

why do we all have to fight argue and get over on each other to end up with a "MAYBE" car. I bought it to help out a friend in need, got the car and realized it was to much a project for this time in my life, so I sold it to the first person that wanted it for a LOSS of $500.00

and the story goes on..............................

Re: Motion Nova ???????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mike_c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hello all, I am a newbie here but a car guy for the last 40 years....I have owned about everything you can imagine <span style="font-weight: bold">and have personally restored hundreds of car for myself and other people</span>... </div></div>

This is one thing that struck me about this thread from the first post. Lets call <span style="font-style: italic">hundreds</span> just 200, since its more than 100 hundred. Over 40 years, that's 5 cars a year. Does anyone sense a problem with that? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/bs.gif[/img]

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

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Wow Mike I seems Dan might have pushed a few buttons with you today. ( I know how that can be) Why not say all these things about the car and the negativity towards Dan when you owned the car? Just seems to me that you might be a little bit bitter today and upset with him?


I still believe in the right Hands this car is documented.

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Just saw Dan on the local news, Barricaded himself in his home, police talked him out peacefully, evicted from his foreclosed home. Feel bad for the guy... must be in a really tough spot right now .

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Hopefully someone can get him some needed help.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ironarms</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just saw Dan on the local news, Barricaded himself in his home, police talked him out peacefully, evicted from his foreclosed home. Feel bad for the guy... must be in a really tough spot right now . </div></div>

Link if interested
http://www.wfmz.com/news/news-regional-s...-house/24828580

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That is too bad. I hope he gets the help he needs...

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hopefully someone can get him some needed help. </div></div>

+1.......

Sucks to lose a lifetime investment over 12k. At least the cops seemed cool about it. They could have easily charged him.



Rich

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What sort of help do you suppose Dan needs?

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He only needed 12k? I would think he could have sold his other nova. Just crazy seeing him on that Video.

Re: Motion Nova ???????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JD502</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He only needed 12k? I would think he could have sold his other nova. Just crazy seeing him on that Video. </div></div>
guess that kind of confuses me also, he had a couple cars to sell , not sure why he didn't try to sell them before... last i talked to him a couple weeks ago his L78 was till for sale

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Dan knew for a long time they were coming and he had a considerable time to leave the property and just didn't want to believe they could make him leave !!!

Little more to that story, he was over 12k behind on his mortgage and balance owed was a lot higher, over 100k he had a home equity loan that he hadn't made payments on in a very very long time. I personally talked in great details to him about that since my business is the foreclosure industry, tried hard to help him...he was so unset with the system he didn't want the help.

he had many offers on the cars but for every reason you can imagine he wouldn't sell them !!!

He is not penny less he has had several offers of places to stay and he received a considerable settlement check on the sheriff sale of the house and he has other funds including the money he got from selling this car...

He is just so angry that he wont go on in life and open up the next chapter, he has relatives wanting him to go south and they offered him a place to live and a most certainly a job when he gets there...

Dan is looking for sympathy and wants everyone to think he is the victim but sometimes we are only the victims of our own doing !!!!

He is just plan angry with everyone that doesn't see life through his eyes !!!

He has to want help and be wining to make some changes for anyone to be able to help him !!!

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Sorry to read this and let's hope things improve for the man from here on.
What of the cars, are they secure somewhere and what does he still have and want to sell?
Prayers and best wishes w/ everything Dan!
[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]
~ Pete

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He is talking to someone on this thread, He called me on Monday to tell me he was sorry for the way he acted in the past.
I was very shocked to say the least. I did ask him about the cars. Seems he only has 1 L78 car left for sale. I have no idea where it is or if it is safe. Just hope it wasn't in the garage of that house. Hope it all works out for him!!

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I don't have a horse in this race, but, I do feel too much is being posted about Dan's personal affairs...good/bad/or otherwise. I would like to think we could have more positive things to talk about than some other guys misfortune.

wilma

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Couldn't agree more ...

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have a horse in this race, but, I do feel too much is being posted about Dan's personal affairs...good/bad/or otherwise. I would like to think we could have more positive things to talk about than some other guys misfortune.

wilma </div></div>


I apologize if I offended anyone or said something out of line. Was not my intent!!

Re: Motion Nova ???????
 

I talked to Dan today, he's in pretty good spirits considering. He has taken this chance to reconcile with his Mom, so that is one thing good in all of this that he asked me to pass on to you guys.

Sounds like from his perspective that the news station is really looking into this. His house was sold for about 1/3 of it's worth based on what he bought it for. He will not get much of his investment back at all.

The new owner of the house tried to keep his L78 though. Basically, the bank/police state that everything on the property belongs to the new owner. Dan was turned out into the street with basically the clothes on his back.

Keep him in your prayers. He asked me to thank you guys for the well wishes.

Rich

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Please tell me he got his car back!

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I'll bet he won't/didn't.
He should've hid it off the property alooooooooong time ago.

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That should be seperate property. I would be insanely flipping out if not.

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Can't confirm or deny anything. But there are two black rubber burnout strips in front of his old house from last night, and the screws the new owner used to bolt the garage door shut are somehow broken off [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] . The new owner was intent that the Nova now belonged to him. However, none of the paperwork (title, etc) was in the house.

They would not even allow him to take the food from his pantry.......

No doubt his being behind could have been dealt with better by Dan, but what happened to all of those short sale and homeowner bailout packages that minorities get? Section 8 now pays up to $2,200.00/mo for someone to BUY a house.

Like I said, at least he is talking with his family now, which is a great outcome.

Rich

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Hope everything turns out for the best for him.... really hope he gets his belongings back including his car ...

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Two pictures of the car taken today. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...otion_nova.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...68_mp_nova.jpg

Re: Motion Nova ???????
 

I really like an L88 hood on a Nova. What are your plans for the car?