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Do you mean this car? I agree – if I was looking for a W-30 today and it was not a well known car or documented from Canada-it would have to be a 1972 X VIN car.
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I realized after I made my original post it was a bit harsh and not exactly, what I meant to say. I agree there are many real W-30s that may not have paperwork. However, I was good friends with the person I mentioned previously and he ended up going through a contentious lawsuit with the car museum that sold him that car. In the process, he lost his house, his health, and many family relationships. Therefore, when people make fake cars to cheat others for personal enrichment there are very real ramifications in which others are very seriously injured.
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Are the links supposed to be photos?
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Fraud sucks at any level! Sorry to here about your friends situation.
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Thanks Stefano…and I apologize for my broad indictment of the true enthusiasts and cars out there. It is just I have seen the personal harm something like this can cause for others. Canuck-I am sorry the photos did not load. I was trying to post pictures of the car previously mentioned in the before & after transformation. However, my photos will not load correctly. The photos showed in the preview, but not when the post was then submitted on the board. I have been having trouble editing as well lately. Maybe it is my system-
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HO455</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Stefano…and I apologize for my broad indictment of the true enthusiasts and cars out there. It is just I have seen the personal harm something like this can cause for others. Canuck-I am sorry the photos did not load. I was trying to post pictures of the car previously mentioned in the before & after transformation. However, my photos will not load correctly. The photos showed in the preview, but not when the post was then submitted on the board. I have been having trouble editing as well lately. Maybe it is my system-
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If that is the car I think it is, I rode in it from Chicago to Lansing for the 100th anniversary. Phil Renouf brought his red w-30 too. Black car belonged to Keith M.
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Thank you Bruce for correctly re-posting the photos. :flag:
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John,
No problem! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] |
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Putting the valve covers on the wrong side is a common error with restorers even with the clones.
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Can anyone provide a quick link to the Facebook discussion.
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Interesting.
Thanks for posting. Regarding Oldsmobile assembly line production at the Lansing Plant; Does anyone know for certain if the same gang stamp was to be used for the engine block vin derivative as well as for the trans? https://www.yenko.net/attachments/use..._block_vin.jpg https://www.yenko.net/attachments/use..._trans_vin.jpg |
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Can anyone school me but isn't it illegal to remove to the vin tag from the car?
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Not if it is going back on the same car and you removed it for a repair procedure.
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judging from the pattern of corrosion on that trans case
the last 6 digits shouldn't even be readable maybe a rag was laying on it for 40 years [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img] |
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Corrosion ? I don't see any.
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It's not corrosion, that the casting grain. It looks like the casting grain is flattened to the left of the VIN. And in that same vein, am I seeing things or is there a ghost image of another three to the left of the 3 in the red car's VIN?
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Does look like a 3 to me.
Also I'll add that there are more real W30s here in Chicago then most realize (including mine) and yes some fakes and plenty of horrible "tributes. But I know of a few real ones that have been sitting in garages for years with documentation, POP etc. I'm still trying to locate one of them, the guy moved out of my neighborhood years ago, never drove it much and now it sits in his garage. Will be a barn find for someone if they beat me to it. PS, I have no issue with the tributes, its a great looking paint scheme and one of the nicest looking hoods ever made, so why not. |
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The Rally Red car sells today at Barrett Jackson. This will be interesting. Lee http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...72&aid=467
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$250,000 plus 10%. $75,000 less than Scottsdale. Craig was giving it his usual plug!
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Wow that is just amazing. From fully bullet proof documented to undocumented and still fetched big money. Lee
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I have tried to post pictures now twice. Both times, I followed the correct protocol as you stated. The pictures showed perfectly in the preview, but only left the script addressed when actually posted. This is occurring with links as well. I also am unable to edit or delete the post immediately after submitting it. Not sure, what is causing these issues. Anyway, I am sorry about the jumbled posts. Thanks John
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https://www.yenko.net/attachments/use...98184362_n.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/attachments/use...47432831_n.jpg https://www.yenko.net/attachments/use...50832308_n.jpg I don't know why you are having those problems John? Maybe just try uploading the actual pics (5th box from the left when you are making a post)??? |
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Thank you again Bruce for posting the pictures for me. I uploaded them in the fifth box and hit the (add file from pc) button and then hit (the save files from group). They showed up in the preview perfectly but when I hit the post, they just show the scripted links. I am not sure if my pop up blocker may be causing these issues. I never had issues before, so I am not sure what is causing the problem. Anyway, I think I will just stop posting pictures for a while. Thanks again for all your help and take care! John
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
https://www.yenko.net/attachments/use..._trans_vin.jpg </div></div> Wow. This looks like a restamp. I have owned many Olds Muncie transmissions and the lettering looked nothing like this. |
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I am not up on olds but the casting looks unusual around the stamp. Is that normal?
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----I am getting really confused here. Not all that unusual, I agree, but exactly what color is this red/orange W30??? It appears red and is advertised by B/J as Rally Red, and yet appears almost hugger orange in the as found pics as well as some of the resto pics. Straighten me out,,,please!.....Bill S
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Rally Red is 69 carousel red or hugger orange. The tag should have 2 dashes on it for the paint code.
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BTW, my '70 442 (03D build date) has the paint code "73" for rally red stamped on the trim plate. |
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Oops, I downloaded the chip chart image incorrectly :grin:
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After reviewing this photo, you are correct, the trans is a re-stamp. If you look at everything involved with this car, the informed know it is a fake - plain and simple. The only legitimate authentication for a W-30 is an ORIGINAL build card designating W-30, ORIGINAL window sticker, ORIGINAL dealer invoice, and/or GM of Canada paperwork. Legitimate cars exist with no paperwork, they are just not worth what the "Bullit Proof" and "No Story" cars are worth.
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----I understand what your saying, Don, but the car still looks like they painted it red when they restored it. Was someones camera that far off???
----Oh, Sort of forgot,Don,,,what did you ever do with those trailing arms? I could still use them......Bill S |
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Just a quick reminder to clarify the car being discussed w/ restamp etc is <span style="text-decoration: underline">not</span> the original subject car of this thread.
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Yeah, Lee's for sale ad did get majorly hijacked!
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Thanks for bring the discussion back. I actually followed the Rally Red w-30 from the $40k ebay sale to the first auction to Mark then reauction and still resulting sale for big bucks restamp, rust bucket and no documentation. Still scratching my head a bit about the whole fiasco and resulting sale.
<span style="font-weight: bold">My wife and I have decided to sell our car at the new Russo and Steele auction June 30</span>. The auction will be in Newport Beach less than a half mile from our house. I want to thank Stefano for directing me to this auction. I really appreciate his help. Lee |
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