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My non A/C 325 horse 4 speed 69 Camaro has the UY radiator in it. It is L.A. built and sold new in Arizona. I assumed it was ordered with the heavy duty cooling option. The UY code is on the build sheet that I removed from the gas tank in about 1993. Clint

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]Thanks for the info. BBC and cowl induction in a x44=what size motor and HP could you get?

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Looks like a well fed group, and someones gettin an ass chewin.
"Who forgot to tighten down the valve cover. Now we got oil all over the damn motor". Or something along that line.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brent396</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks guys for the great word. Does anyone have a list of [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]body numbers for the copos is this one falling in the order. I think the car was from maryland i got owner history to 73 and it was a local drag car then </div></div>

I have a 05C copo that has a body number of 293349. 415 units away from your car. John

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Thanks for the info john .How close do the body numbers run [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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I know this is another long shot but the car has the orginal fenders on it. I see orange paint still on them not saying when it was new they where change but the car was black by 73 did X44 cars have motor size on the front of the marker lights thease fenders have not been drilled yet thanks to elonblock pointing that out to me.T [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]he fenders should have build weeks stamped on them

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Hasn't factory grease pencil 427 markings been found written on the inside of some known 9561 original front fenders too?.


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~ Pete

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kurt S</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">UY coded radiators were used on all 396cid. 325hp,350hp &amp; 375hp M/T equipped Camaros,so don't go by just that. </div></div>
Nope, UY is a 4 core, only COPO's and 396's w/ AC. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

Nothing close to that body #. </div></div>

Yes Kurts' right,thought I typed that originally.
That should've read..
&quot;UY coded radiators were used on all 396cid. 325hp,350hp &amp; 375hp M/T equipped Camaros,<span style="text-decoration: underline">if A/C or HDuty cooling was ordered,</span>so don't go by just that.&quot;

That's a cool looking camaro,with some great possble potential to be even more.

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Thanks for all the help guys .Maybe someone here can answer this question the car is a X44 standard Camaro what size motors could you get in them.Could you get a 396 in them.

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No 396 in a X44 Car.
Does it still have the 427 Engine?
Congratulations

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No 427 yet still diging info.Pete someone ratel can some black inside the fenders ill be carful when i tear it down. Where is the markings located at thanks for the info Brent [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hasn't factory grease pencil 427 markings been found written on the inside of some known 9561 original front fenders too?.


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~ Pete
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Nick Morocco's old Yenko chevelle has &quot;427&quot; grease penciled on the grille valiance as well.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brent396</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the info john .How close do the body numbers run [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] </div></div>


Did some digging and found an old thread regarding body numbers..

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...862&amp;page=1

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A few more Copo Camaro body numbers with 292xxx
292731, 292749, 292774, 29277, 292787, 292800, 292815, 292833. Quite a few Copo Camaros built during 05A.

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Thanks alot guys for the info keeps it coming somebody should have a list to the 69 copo cars. My body number is 292934 close to the 292833 . I [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]ts a 101 off is that good or bad

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Mark, there were ALLOT of Camars built during 05A, those week #'s were not re set like clock work. I think I read 05A was way more than 7 days ?

Brent
Interesting that my black car is BDY 322433 and my vin# is only 27 after yours, most likely built very close together on the same shift.
Also note your bdy # 292934 is quit a bit lower than mine.
only thing that means is your body shell may have spent some time in the body bank with others waiting for all the good stuff to show up, and/or they were batched with other COPO's

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Does it have the dual exhaust hanger plate in the left rear wheelhousing ?

I read that it was minitubbed but it didn´t get into my head !

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m22mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Interesting that my black car is BDY 322433 and my vin# is only 27 after yours, most likely built very close together on the same shift.
Also note your bdy # 292934 is quit a bit lower than mine.
only thing that means is your body shell may have spent some time in the body bank with others waiting for all the good stuff to show up, and/or they were batched with other COPO's
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They were just a few cars apart on the line.
The low body # means the order was accepted but didn't get scheduled (and hence built) until several weeks later.

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Kurt
What do you know about the 05A run, more that a 7 day period ?
Over the years it seems like many of the Camaro's I see are 05A built.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

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I don't mean to high jack Brent's thread....I see that Brent's BDY 322433 is even lower than my 04L tag on my Z, has anyone come up with a good explanation of the O4L?

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04L
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=2442.0

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whats the date on the 12 bolt? also check to see if the front of the pass axle tube has any of the codes, they may have been cut off when it was narrowed?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m22mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kurt
What do you know about the 05A run, more that a 7 day period ?
Over the years it seems like many of the Camaro's I see are 05A built.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img] </div></div>

In may they reconfigured the Norwood plant for the Firebird production that started in the second half of May.

That is also the reason for the introduction of the D80 code on the trimtags, to separate the trunklids due to different holes for the spoilers. D80 made sure that a Camaro got a Camaro trunklid.

BTW there are no (or very few) 05B cars. And that might be the reason we see so many 05A cars.

Jan

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The rear is not orginal to the car .When i talked to the owner who had it in 78 he said he pulled the 12bolt out and tub it and put a dana in it. How does it work. My body number seems very early before the build date on the trim tag. By looking at other trim tags .Is it because it was order early to be built then wait for copo parts then go on the line to be done.If so my x44 plain jane car didnt even come with a radio. It was as base it could get so i dont know why it would be waiting for anything .I know Mike talked about it because of his car body number is diffrent than mine .Does this put the nail in the coffin for being a copo car

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Brent
Again, it is very common to see a larger spread in BDY #&quot; vs Vin#'s when compared to other COPO Camaros. It was common practice to hold a batch of these special cars in the body bank untill all the special components were on hand to run these cars with any hold up in production.
They may have been waiting on BE's, double COPO stuff, or even built up 427's ?? These were little used items when comapred to the rest of the Camaro production.
If you study the spread between BDY#'s and Vin#'s on your average 6 cyl/ and or low HP V8 cars, which there were hundreds built each day, there is not that large of a diff in the spread of the two #'s. Basically because the components to built these cars were more common to these basic drivers and the inventory levels were high enough based on the larger number of orders place by dealers to keep the lines running on schedule.

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Thanks Mike [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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When I had bought my COPO years ago someone told me that the X44D80 combination on the trimtag was a good indicator (not proof) of a 427 Camaro, just because so few base-cars were ordered with the rear spoiler.
If your trunklid is original to the car (check the datecode on it and if it has the right color underneath)and if the spoiler was put on at the factory (check the holes), then that would be a good indicator of 427 car. Especially combined with the hole in the firewall for the wiring to a Special Ducted Hood.
But still not proof of course.

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Once again, the body number has NOTHING to do with production scheduling. It was generated when the dealer order was accepted by Central Office.

Fisher Body released orders [generating the tag] as instructed by Chevrolet Production Control. It is a fundamental production control practice to material assure any order before releasing it. There is no way Chevrolet would have instructed Fisher to release COPO orders for production if it did not have the parts to complete them. Those orders would not be released to Fisher until ALL components were available.

The body bank was a queue to arrange them by option content for line balancing-not a place to store orders that could not be built.

There is wide variation in body number relative to VIN-Van Nuys Camaro assembly was on the same system. A typical production week at Norwood was 4,560 cars. The spread from the highest to the lowest body number for any VIN range is commonly many times that number. There were around 7,000 VINs with 04L/05A tags at Norwood but the body number range is over 47,000.

Another production control practice is to never starve the line. Fisher often released more orders than could be built in any given week. That's why some weeks are missing. ZL-1s #3-#39 all have 02D tags but were built the first two weeks of March.

http://www.camaros.org/assemblyprocess.shtml

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Non spoiler car trunk springs the same size. Did you sell you're car as a Copo car. Who certified yours thanks Brent

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I sold mine as a COPO based on the original engine in it. Plus original Special Ducted Hood, untouched firewall, dual exhaust hanger plate in the left rear wheelhousing, X44D80 with different size springs to the original trunklid. And the BE-rearend had a builddate close to the day the car was built.
I really don´t think it would pay off to hire someone to authenticate it since all the guys on this board does it for free !

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No spoiler in this picture, maybe its better to look at the subframe after the hole for front spoiler.

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From CRG

The COPO 9560/9561 cars started with a SS396 big-block chassis that included:
• Rear Brake Proportioning Valve
• Big Block Heater Core
• Big Block Fuel Line
The price of the COPO 9560/9561 High Performance Units included the following: • Either ZL1 (9560) or L72 (9561) engine
• Dual exhaust (both standard N10 and NC8 chambered have been noted)
• ZL2 cowl induction hood
• Transistorized ignition (9560 only)
• HD (curved-neck) 4-row core 23&quot; radiator (most)
• F62 HD front springs
• G32 HD rear five-leaf springs
• HD version of the 4.10 or 4.56 ratio 8.875-inch 12-bolt rear axle

• G80 positraction
To this was added the following mandatory equipment: • J52 Power Front Disc Brakes
• Either Muncie M21 or M22 4-speeds, or THM400 automatic
• PL5 F70x14 white letter tires on 14x7 wheels (or equivalent substitute option)