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Being a rebodied car what would one expect the value to be? RK Motors has the clone car with one of the original ZL1 motors in it and that car is listed at $179k. Obviously this car would not be a fair comparison as it is built using one of the original 69 VIN numbers but at the same time they are both clones or tribute cars of some sort. I would like to think this car has a much higher value than the car RK is selling.

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Hopefully George will update the community with regard to how the original cowl/firewall was mated to the new body shell. It appears to be clear that this is the continuous history car (CHC). This situation is not uncommon in the Cobra world where CHC means a great deal. At the end of the day - it's one great car!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This is a car that was restored by Floyd Garrett and he will be the first to tell you he had to replace the body because the orig. was too far gone. He makes no bones about it. He says he would rather use GM pieces than some parts made in China. We all have different views on what constitutes a car and we all have opinions on what is OK to do. Some people think a car in really rough shape should be buried and done. Others like Floyd would rather do what he did and I can't say I disagree with him. </div></div>

Yep, and thats just the way Floyd is. A pull-no-punchs stand-up kinda guy whos a real assest to the musclecar hobby. I've 'chewed the fat' for hours on end many times with him. A true Gentleman who has a very soft spot in his heart for 409 cars.

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Are there any Day 2 pictures from when the car was raced? As the car was a race car almost from new perhaps a future owner will take it back to how it looked then.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some people think a car in really rough shape should be buried and done. Others like Floyd would rather do what he did and I can't say I disagree with him. </div></div>

I'm with you guys ... and these guys ...

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did that 8X10 photo ever get posted? amazing amount of paperwork!

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If George sent it to my email, I will get access to it tonite. Can't get there from work 'puter due to firewalls!

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...812/427001.jpg

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THAT is an awesome pic! Would almost love to see it go back to that look.

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I agree, that car is killer in the original livery. This has been a great thread for many reasons. Mostly for the forthrightness of the car and its history. The paperwork and photos make the car.

Good luck with the sale George.

Phil Woj

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Wondering if the original owner was military given the name of the car.

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Wouldn't it be &quot;Zulu Lima One&quot; if I remember my phoentic alphabet?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">THAT is an awesome pic! Would almost love to see it go back to that look. </div></div>

Now yer talkin. Not sure if it applies here, but in that time frame it wasn't uncommon to hear the term &quot;that's a big friggen Zulu&quot;. Usually ment big and or unusual. I used to deer hunt with my Grandfathers old Montgomery Wards shot gun. Had a long barrel, and held 7 shells. We called it the Zulu queen.

Super old thread but I found these on facebook.

^ cool!

WOW! I love the chrome cragers/black tire look simply beautiful.
Does any have an idea of what the wheel/tire size would be? Seems perfect!
Just enough bad to make it looks soooo good!
Thanks for the pic/post!

Having read this thread a few things that struck me..

1) George Lyons is a STAND UP guy and if his name is the seller...buy with confidence..

2) What a cool car!! A gorgeous car which was actually used (and probably abused) the way Chevrolet intended

3) Given the amount of sheet metal work that some cars have...literally every panel save the firewall...and the crappy sheet metal out there today...really thinking there shouldn't be a huge stigma if properly disclosed...and the work done as the factory did..

Here is the story board that was at the auction that everyone read.

Here was the display.

If you managed to go over the ropes to get close enough to read the description sheet on the windshield you could read this disclosure about the body.

And that is where George and I disagree on what is right and wrong.

Charlie, I agree. I looked this up on the Bj site and said it's sold for close to 1/2 a million dollars. And I seen a later auction with a green ca for more then 1/2 that price off. Then the orange one went over a million! (Those price are the published pricing with buyers premium I gather).

But your last picture on the previous page, it clearly states "a GM factory assembled body shell was used to correct extensive modifications"! So yes it was disclosed as a rebody.

My thoughts are, why REBODY one of the most expensive 1969 Camaro's ever? I know my thoughts don't mean anything to anyone, but to me, I see this car as a TRIBUTE! It's a tribute that a guy owned who was lucky enough to have the original VIN to swap over? Sorry if that upsets people, but IF this is acceptable on a car of this value, then any SS car can be rebodied? Why restore a '69 RS Z28, just rebody with a clean shell, save the 1000's of hours on labour?

I have heard the Mopar stories where EVERYTHING has been swapped out or changed repaired except the VIN.

I see it like this:

I can buy a condemned old house of a famous person, say Elvis's house he was born in. I buy it, replace the roof, original structure, plumbing and maybe even an addition. It's STILL THE SAME HOUSE! But if I tear it down, build a new designed house, it's NOT THE SAME HOUSE! Yet the address is the same?

John

"But your last picture on the previous page, it clearly states "a GM factory assembled body shell was used to correct extensive modifications"! So yes it was disclosed as a rebody."


My problem was the disclosure was too small to read unless you broke the rules and went over the ropes to get close enough to actually read it. Or found a employee to take you over the ropes. 99% of the people don't do that and one would think no need because of the very well done story boards that were up close to read.

its a colorfull way of saying its a rebody

And a quiet way too.

I'm very sorry for what happened to George when he purchased this car. But very much appreciate what Charley is doing here (Yenko.net) and agree with him 100%. It goes to show you, you are never too old to learn...George thought he had all his bases covered and spent a big wad of cash. He learn some new stuff from this website (thanks guys!) which got him more documentation and we all found out the truth. However, the way the disclosure of the re-body was presented was shameful. C'mon on the windshield behind closed off ropes...ridiculous. BJ should know better. I'm 60 years old looking for my first 60's muscle car and I am very disappointed in what I've seen/read. But what keeps me motivated and still willing to put up my hard earned cash is the values and integrity of people like Charley and the folks on this site that help people like me research and hopefully find their dream car.
Thanks guys and keep up the good work!
C

I think we have gotten everyone's opinion on this subject, which took place 9 years ago!. This horse had been dead, lets move forward.