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My proposal to thier attorney was to have my car inspected and returned to me. As to the convertible, I told them I prefer a full refund or if this is not an option that I expect the car to be completed and available for inspection within 2 weeks of the initial Oct. 10th inspection. I am waiting to hear word from the attorney. If he does not contact me back or they are not accepting of these terms then at that time I will be more aggressive about protecting my position.

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Thanks for the update.
Like others,let me know if I can be of any help.

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Appears as though this shop's attorney is not going to call me back. I was supposed to receive a call this week from them confirming the shop owners response to my demands but neither of them has responded to my requests.

Being that I dont have the title for the car I purchased from them this creates an issue as far as confiscating that car. My coupe I can probably take but the convertible will not be as easy.

Sounds to me like it is time to send a few very intimidating guys there to let them know I am not rolling over and letting them screw me.

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Well, I would talk to your lawyer first. If you have paperwork proving that you paid for the convertible you should be able to either get your money back or get the car.

It should be somewhat easy to have someone go and get the other car with title and documentation in hand with the help of some members and the local PD.

You could also contact Jon Draneas thorugh Sports Car Market magazine. He is an expert in automotive legal matters.

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Is this the place ?

http://camarosrestored.com/

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I tried to PM Nick in regards to paying a visit to the shop. I have not heard back from him.

In regards to dealing with the shop's attorney - he is just as much of an a**hole as the owner is. I finally got him on the phone today and he said the shop owner did not agree to any of my terms.

He said the owner refuses to warranty any work that he does. I told him the Il. state law affords me rights as a consumer. He said dont worry about it then - let the state keep you covered. But at the same time they think I am stupid and want me to sign a waiver upon pickup (if it ever happens) that the owner is not giving a warranty on his work and all work is as-is.

Additionally - he said the owner does not agree with the time frames I have set. I asked him what the problem is and what time frames is the shop looking for. He put me on hold and said he needed to check - he came back on the line and said he will have to call me back. After reminding him that he never called me back last time he said there is nothing he can do. I asked him when I could expect a call back and he said after next weds. When I told him I dont appreciate him playing games with me just like the shop owner does he said it is not a game and that he is going on vacation. I told him this is not acceptable and he simply stated lifes rough and hung up on me.

With this being said it is time for me to push this issue. I need to immediately get someone to go there to pickup whatever is done and to press the issue on my other car or my money. I will gladly cover any expenses that are incurred and deeply appreciate that all of you are willing to help a stranger.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steven J</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is this the place ?

http://camarosrestored.com/


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It is a$$holes like this guy and his attorney that give us reputable restoration shops and attorneys bad names. An attorney should not be allowed to get away with treating someone like that. If you get your own I would go for the jugular! I understand he does not represent you but he should at least act within the law and treat you fairly. Maybe he is acting within the law but what an a$$!

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Yep!!!......I agree with Rick........Lawyers think they are above the Law (except for NJSteve) and use Intimidation as their most Powerful weapon because most people are afraid of them....99% of the Lawyers make the other 1% look bad.......This guy sounds like he's in the 99% group (unlike NJSteve who is in the &quot;Good&quot; 1%)

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I agree that it is totally unprofessional to think that they can handle someone like this. It would seem that the team of the shop owner and the attorney work well together using the same business ethics.

With this being said, I would like any help I can get in getting someone to the shop to recover what I can.

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Todd, make hard copies of all these posts, all your receipts, records and any notes from your conversations with the body shop. Not saying this is the shop that is being referred to but if I read between the lines I bet the convertible that is on the web page is for sale right now. They are stalling for some reason and I am not sure you are dealing with a real attorney. Take time off from work and make an appointment with the local police department now then show them what you have to see if you can get your car(s) back now to minimize your losses because time is working against you. By chance is the one car in your name insured? If so try getting your insurance company involved.
Mark Sheppard

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Guys, thanks for the compliment (I think [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]).

Seriously though, get the number for the local police department that covers that town and call their detective bureau ASAP. Tell them this is not a civil matter: your car has been stolen, which according to the fact pattern you are describing, it has. Tell them where the shop is and give them all the paperwork and info you can.

I will guarantee you that the name of the shop won't be a surprise to the local police there.

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Steve...you rock...Talwell, do this stuff immediately. Let's hope for the best [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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If you can co-ordinate with the local police....I can go there with a trailer and get one of the cars.......If you can work it out to get both.......then Jeff has a trailer that can handle up to 20 cars.....LOL

Ken

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Any updates? Best of luck.

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I just skimmed this whole thread. As a business owner I have to admit there are good shops and bad shops out there no matter what type of work is involved. I think the board members have gave you some good advice as to how you should handle the situation. It is obvious the shop owner is not willing to work with you, nor is his lawyer. It sounds to me like the best thing to do is get your cars back asap, no matter the condition they are in. I would try to document everything that has taken place. I would contact the authorities in the area of the shop, with your intentions to pick up your cars. I would show up at the shop with documents, local authorities, and a way to transport your vehicles, unannounced. On a side note I lost both my parents within the past year and a half, plus my soul mate had a miscarriage two years ago. Life will always have its ups and downs. I just wanted to say I can somewhat &quot;relate&quot; to the spot your life is in on a personal level. I guess my point is that you should stop waiting on something to change here and handle all this yourself. It seems there are several AWESOME board members here who are willing to help you pick up your cars. To me it sounds like an opportunity to make some new and lifelong friends. This shop you are dealing with will continue to run over you if you continue to let them. I wish you the best of luck.

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When you contact the police, you may be informed that it is a civil matter. Hopefully you will be able to speak with someone that is willing to help. At the very least, inform them that someone will be going to the shop to pick up your property, with proof of ownership, and ask them to stand by in case there is a problem. I don't recall the status of money owed on your car, but expect that the shop will refuse to release it if they claim that the bill has not been paid.

Good luck, hope it all works out.

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Any update??

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Todd,

I just sent you a PM.

Nick

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kwhizz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> .......then Jeff has a trailer that can handle up to 20 cars.....LOL

Ken </div></div>
21 to be exact !! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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So.... were the cars returned????

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No - I have been told that I can pick up my coupe. Anyone in the area that can grab one car and hold it for me?

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I can get it next week if required.......I'll be out of town till Sunday..........

Ken

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kwhizz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can get it next week if required.......I'll be out of town till Sunday..........

Ken </div></div>

Things are heating up with this shop again and now they are trying to charge me storage on my car that they say has been done for (2) weeks.

Ken - I will gladly cover all expenses, are you still available to go grab this car for me?

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Yep!!......I can go on Wednesday.......No problem.....pm me the info.....

Ken

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Were u able to get the cars ?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Glenn L78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Were u able to get the cars ? </div></div>

No - I flew to Chicago yesterday and contacted the shop and told them I was coming to inspect my cars. The owner refused and told me just to call his attorney.

Spoke with the attorney and apparently they are working on a release where I will get my car back that I sent there, a refund for the work not completed and a full refund for the convertible that I paid for that has never been produced.

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Ya know, there's gonna be a whole Army of car-guys in West Chicago this weekend. Plenty of trucks, ...... trailers, .... muscle, ......... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/whistle.gif[/img]

I'm just sayin .............. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img]

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And I will have a 409 cop car and a enclosed trailer that can hold 2 cars.

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Thanks for all the support. I am pressing hard now to get my car(s). I would love to fly back out again for the meet and to get my car(s).

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steven J</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is this the place ?

http://camarosrestored.com/


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they cleaned out their facebook page.
hmmmm.. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/cool.gif[/img]

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Did you get your car / cars out ?? Hope it is all working out ....

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No - did not get my cars yet. In the next few days I hope to have some better news. Flew there a few weeks ago and the shop owner refused me access to see my cars. At this point I am supposed to get my coupe back and a refund for the convertible that was never produced.

Thanks for the regards - if this last effort does not do the trick, the only option I have left is hiring an attorney to file suit against the owner of the company. I also intend to file a consumer complaint, BBB complaint and an ARDC complaint against thier attorney who has made this a comical issue rather than treating it with any level of profession.

Once resolved I promise to provide more details with specifics.

-Todd

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Todd,

How you are maintaing your cool about all this is beyond me.

-Matt

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Todd,

How you are maintaing your cool about all this is beyond me.

-Matt </div></div>

I am really not - but all of us know sometimes when you are getting f*cked it is better to maintain your composure in order to get the situation resolved. I think in this case if I were to go there to crack thier heads open it would only get me arrested and make any type of resolution harder. Even though he deserves to have his head cracked open like a walnut, I am hoping that staying on the right side of the law will be in my favor.

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cracking heads is good therapy sometimes Todd. may not be right but satisfying. But....don't do it!

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If you have a title you can just take a police officer with you and go get your car.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: talwell</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you have a title you can just take a police officer with you and go get your car. </div></div>

Illinois is very strict - when I sent the car there the person I bought it from had removed the vin tag and trim tag when the cowl, firewall and other work was done. I have the vin tag here - Illinois can confiscate the car just for it not being on it. This is the main reason I cannot get overly aggressive and force confiscation. </div></div>

Yikes!!! He could bend you over a barrel!!! As in &quot;here's the car that you brought me, this rusted up hulk right here&quot;. Couldn't he?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TDW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Yikes!!! He could bend you over a barrel!!! As in &quot;here's the car that you brought me, this rusted up hulk right here&quot;. Couldn't he? </div></div>

Yes and no. I know the hidden vins on the body so unless he cut and transplanted it would be an issue.

I put nothing past them. I wish this upon noone. We are supposed to enjoy this hobby - not having to figure out how to get our cars and money back.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: talwell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Illinois is <span style="font-weight: bold">very strict </span>- </div></div>

That's one way to describe Illinois law. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/mad.gif[/img] Maybe not the words <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">I</span></span> would use. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif[/img]