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I have to agree...I love that car too! One of my all-time favorites from this site.

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Check out a '69 Vette 350/350 convertible with good options like side pipes. In good colors like Monza Red (Hugger Orange). Those cars with a 4 speed and 4:11s make for fun Vettes!

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Not bad for fairly cheap:

http://tricities.craigslist.org/cto/2605679279.html

http://nacogdoches.craigslist.org/cto/2552126238.html

Re: The best musclecar around 30K?
 

Telling a guy what kind of car he needs to buy is like telling him what kind woman he should marry.......

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That wasn't a problem for you...your wife told you what to do [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Long time no talk...hope all is well.

wilma [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

Re: The best musclecar around 30K?
 

If you can find a decent survivor car that you like that is what I would buy first choice. Saw many of Donny Whites cars that were priced from 15 to 25 grand and all were really nice cars. Would have liked to own any of them.

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My dad just picked up a really nice '72 Corvette... #'s match 4 speed in great colors... for $11,400

Re: The best musclecar around 30K?
 

... How about a Hotrod with a chopped top that rides like a Cadillac?

I have an all original 2000 Cadillac Eldorado ESC
..... with 12,300 original miles
.... It is Black with grey leather interior.

...$19,500

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/whistle.gif[/img]

Re: The best musclecar around 30K?
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lowmile</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Telling a guy what kind of car he needs to buy is like telling him what kind woman he should marry....... </div></div>

That's what mother-in-laws are for. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZiggyL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">5 years ago I had a black on black low 11 second GS that was a fully documented Stage 1.I couldn't get 20K for the car!I had to part the car out to get my money. </div></div>

You &quot;parted out&quot; an original black '70 Stage 1 Buick in 2005 or 2006??! Were you terminally ill in need of money? facing bankruptcy? going through a divorce and had to pay the ex? these are the only reasons I can see for doing such a thing and not passing the car on to someone else who may have a appreciated it more than you, even at a reduced cost. Not to be hating on you, but maybe you should consider coin collecting or the stock market if money means that much to you - obviously musclecars don't. Unless you did it for one of the above reasons I outlined, that was a real shame for someone to do that.

Re: The best musclecar around 30K?
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If your thinking investment and 30K I would highly recommend AMC. 68-70 AMX, 71 Hornet S/C, 70 Rebel Machine can all be had for that price. These cars are ultra rare compared to a 396 Chevelle or a 383 B Body. Rare + affordable = solid investment. </div></div>

Save your breath - they're hung up on Chevys. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif[/img]

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Those are good deals.
Thanks

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markinnaples</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not bad for fairly cheap:

http://tricities.craigslist.org/cto/2605679279.html

http://nacogdoches.craigslist.org/cto/2552126238.html
</div></div>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RAIIIT/A</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My dad just picked up a really nice '72 Corvette... #'s match 4 speed in great colors... for $11,400 </div></div>

Oh man, that is right down my alley as I love the '68-'72 Vettes, except I'd like to have room for the kids.

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If you dont need a big block theres always a small block car and they seem to bring a more realistic price. If you like Chevelles the Malibus are just as nice and a strong runny 350 can run with and sometimes our run a big block. My 69 Chevelle is a 350 car and I have beaten plenty of big blocks. The guy who did the body really liked the COPO look (so do I) So he added the SS side stripes and the SS hood but left all the Malibu trim minus the 350 or 307 badges and the quarter MALIBU call outs. I added the rear black out and detailed the motor after the DZ 302's. My car is nice and has been in Greenfield Village 3 times and offered to attend other shows. Its a really nice and fun driver and If I was to sell it I know I could get about 20,000.00 for it. And I know I am not off base with that number based off the look and detail of the car. IMO I honestly believe you can have as much fun in something with a small block as you would in a big block and have cash left in your pocket. Novas are light and fast and offer alot if you like the Camaro size and the look of a smaller Chevelle.

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Tom, please quit clouding the issue and my statement with facts. Its just not productive.

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I think the '70 to '72 442's are great. The ram air hood is one of the best ever placed on a car and the torque of the monster 455 will smoke the tires.

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Don't know the car or the seller, but this looks like a good deal???

http://www.camaros.net/classifieds/s...?product=47786

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I would stay away from clones and trendy customs from an investment standpoint.

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You would think the words SuperCar would mean something around here? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If your thinking investment and 30K I would highly recommend AMC. 68-70 AMX, 71 Hornet S/C, 70 Rebel Machine can all be had for that price. These cars are ultra rare compared to a 396 Chevelle or a 383 B Body. Rare + affordable = solid investment. </div></div>

Save your breath - they're hung up on Chevys. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif[/img] </div></div>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=ZiggyL78]5 years ago I had a black on black low 11 second GS that was a fully documented Stage 1.I couldn't get 20K for the car!I had to part the car out to get my money. </div></div>

You &quot;parted out&quot; an original black '70 Stage 1 Buick in 2005 or 2006??! Were you terminally ill in need of money? facing bankruptcy? going through a divorce and had to pay the ex? these are the only reasons I can see for doing such a thing and not passing the car on to someone else who may have a appreciated it more than you, even at a reduced cost. Not to be hating on you, but maybe you should consider coin collecting or the stock market if money means that much to you - obviously musclecars don't. Unless you did it for one of the above reasons I outlined, that was a real shame for someone to do that. [/quote

You nailed it right on the head with that statement,couldn't agree more!!

Re: The best musclecar around 30K?
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZiggyL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">5 years ago I had a black on black low 11 second GS that was a fully documented Stage 1.I couldn't get 20K for the car!I had to part the car out to get my money. </div></div>

You &quot;parted out&quot; an original black '70 Stage 1 Buick in 2005 or 2006??! Were you terminally ill in need of money? facing bankruptcy? going through a divorce and had to pay the ex? these are the only reasons I can see for doing such a thing and not passing the car on to someone else who may have a appreciated it more than you, even at a reduced cost. Not to be hating on you, but maybe you should consider coin collecting or the stock market if money means that much to you - obviously musclecars don't. Unless you did it for one of the above reasons I outlined, that was a real shame for someone to do that. </div></div>

What if I told you that my sister was terminally ill and needed help in her dying days making ends meet? What if I told you that if I didn't do what I did, her children wouldn't have a decent meal or decent clothes to wear out in public? You think about that next time you judge someone.
I agree it was sad to part it out and I had a rough time doing it. I don't get where you're justified in judging me (probably because you're not). While we're drawing conclusions here, yours that means you must not believe in God right? If you say you do, you have no respect for him because we are advised to leave the judging up to him. I'm no religious fanatic, but while you're sitting on high ground looking down at us all, I just thought I would put that out there. Too bad you weren't around back then, you could have thrown down the cash and saved me from going to car collector's hell LOL .
For the rest of you that might be curious as to why someone might do such a thing, I will share it with you and start by asking a question. What is the difference between fulfilling one guy's dream to have a car like this and fulfilling many people's dreams by making their cars complete and helping many people get their restorations to a numbers matching status? Do you have any idea how many cars became numbers-matching, respected builds from just my one parted out car? I do! That's why I have no issue as a car enthusiast sleeping at night. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif[/img]

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Not sure how a car becomes numbers-matching from parts of another car, but hey . . . !

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Not judging.... just stating a fact..... but what you did was driven by greed.... pure and simple.... nevertheless... it was your car to do with as you please...

Back in 2005 I bought a '71 T/A for cheap. It was an all #'s matching born with... 455 HO. The car was complete and had all the right parts... carb, scoop... fenders etc... but sat outside untouched for 23 years.... I ended up selling the car for 8or9 grand.... I could've easily parted it out and probably stuck 12-13k or more in my pocket.... but couldn't bring myself to rip that car apart for a few extra dollars....

BTW - I'm a car dealer by trade....

Re: The best musclecar around 30K?
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZiggyL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZiggyL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">5 years ago I had a black on black low 11 second GS that was a fully documented Stage 1.I couldn't get 20K for the car!I had to part the car out to get my money. </div></div>

You &quot;parted out&quot; an original black '70 Stage 1 Buick in 2005 or 2006??! Were you terminally ill in need of money? facing bankruptcy? going through a divorce and had to pay the ex? these are the only reasons I can see for doing such a thing and not passing the car on to someone else who may have a appreciated it more than you, even at a reduced cost. Not to be hating on you, but maybe you should consider coin collecting or the stock market if money means that much to you - obviously musclecars don't. Unless you did it for one of the above reasons I outlined, that was a real shame for someone to do that. </div></div>

What if I told you that my sister was terminally ill and needed help in her dying days making ends meet? What if I told you that if I didn't do what I did, her children wouldn't have a decent meal or decent clothes to wear out in public? You think about that next time you judge someone.
I agree it was sad to part it out and I had a rough time doing it. I don't get where you're justified in judging me (probably because you're not). While we're drawing conclusions here, yours that means you must not believe in God right? If you say you do, you have no respect for him because we are advised to leave the judging up to him. I'm no religious fanatic, but while you're sitting on high ground looking down at us all, I just thought I would put that out there. Too bad you weren't around back then, you could have thrown down the cash and saved me from going to car collector's hell LOL .
For the rest of you that might be curious as to why someone might do such a thing, I will share it with you and start by asking a question. What is the difference between fulfilling one guy's dream to have a car like this and fulfilling many people's dreams by making their cars complete and helping many people get their restorations to a numbers matching status? Do you have any idea how many cars became numbers-matching, respected builds from just my one parted out car? I do! That's why I have no issue as a car enthusiast sleeping at night. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif[/img]

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I sympathize with your sister and your family's medical plight, but wouldn't have selling the GS for 14 or 15K been quicker in getting the money than &quot;parting it out&quot; over the course of a few months? Anyways if it is the car pictured that I am thinking of it's a shame you did it - I drove it, rode in it and have a personal history with it - that is (one of) the reason why I don't like what you did. And forget my previous, &quot;if&quot; - I know for certain this is the car Ken.

Re: The best musclecar around 30K?
 

An SS El Camino is a lot less money than a comparable Chevelle, so that might be an option to get into a nice muscle car for less.

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Thats a nice car....

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RAIIIT/A</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats a nice car.... </div></div>

Yup. Still the fastest stock appearing 4-seat musclecar I've ever been in. She was a brute. Engine was full of TA Performance stuff and built by S&amp;S in Ottawa to the tune of 520 ponies with the 950 Holley DP, Tom Rix original Stage1 transmission that was &quot;breathed on&quot; for serious kick-in-the-back upshifts with the GS Club of America's blueprinted torque converter, 12-bolt with strange axles and moroso brute strength posi unit, 3&quot; exhaust from torque technologies, ...breathtakingly fast car

yes the undercarriage, engine bay and trunk cosmetics were in need of attention but she was solid - factory code 19 black, non-A/C car

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RAIIIT/A</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats a nice car.... </div></div>

Yup. Still the fastest stock appearing 4-seat musclecar I've ever been in. She was a brute. Engine was full of TA Performance stuff and built by S&amp;S in Ottawa to the tune of 520 ponies with the 950 Holley DP, Tom Rix original Stage1 transmission that was &quot;breathed on&quot; for serious kick-in-the-back upshifts with the GS Club of America's blueprinted torque converter, 12-bolt with strange axles and moroso brute strength posi unit, 3&quot; exhaust from torque technologies, ...breathtakingly fast car

yes the undercarriage, engine bay and trunk cosmetics were in need of attention but she was solid - factory code 19 black, non-A/C car </div></div>

WOW!! What a brute!!

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more pics

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more and GM of Canada documentation

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What a shame.... I would've paid 20k for that.

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First I would like to thank everyone who replied in this thread.It was going real well till Trater jumped in.I really like to sit back and watch little people shoot their mouths off.
OK Desmond.My first question is why did you not PM me and ask what happened?
If this car was so nice why did it take the owner so long to sell?I think it was up for a year or so.Factory Stage 1 with docs for 20.It seemed like a good deal.
Who really destroyed this car?Was it me or the previous owner who replaced the numbers matching rear,lost the numbers matching trans and killed the numbers matching block?
Did you really think this was a fast car?When I took it to the track the first time with race fuel and DRs it ran 12.3s.Wow.500HP?I don't think so.I called the engine builder and he told me all the problems the other owner had.Detonation can really kill a motor quickly.We took the car back to the shop and went through everything.After straightening out some stupid problems and a lot of tweaking we finally got the car down to 11.8s.That was it.It would never go any faster then that.
When I went to sell the car it was much better then when I bought it even though I couldn't get anyone to even look at it.One restoration guy came and looked it over.After he told me all the things wrong with the car he offered me 10K.I had 23 in it.I had 3 guys interested in the motor and trans.I sold them to a real nice guy in NFLD,honest.He put it in his fathers 98 and I hear he just loves it.1 person happy.I sold the original carb to another Stage 1 guy for $1200.2 guys happy.The built rear end went to a local young guy building a BB Chevelle.3 guys happy.The rolling shell went to another Stage 1 guy who was going to restore it.4 guys happy.When I sold the built rear I put the stock numbers matching rear back in the car.So in the end 4 guys happy and the car was closer to original then when I recieved it.
Next time get your facts straight before you make a fool of yourself.Now go back in the cabin,have a couple more beers,scale a few Cod and call your mommy.

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the fool here ain't me Ken. I PM'ed you about the car months ago, no reply. But seeing as how you started this thread, seems you haven't learned your lesson - trolling for musclecars as an investment is a FOOL'S game. Oh wait - maybe it is perfect for you then after all. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/laugh.gif[/img]

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I apologize for not returning your PM.I'm involved in a number of forums and I do not come here a lot.
Maybe my first post was a little confusing.I'm not looking to invest my money.I have decided to buy a muscle car and wanted to know which one is the best investment.
Good luck my friend.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the fool here ain't me Ken. I PM'ed you about the car months ago, no reply. But seeing as how you started this thread, seems you haven't learned your lesson - trolling for musclecars as an investment is a FOOL'S game. Oh wait - maybe it is perfect for you then after all. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/laugh.gif[/img] </div></div>

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MODERATERS.
Please lock this one up.It went the wrong way.
Thanks again to everyone.
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I'm pretty sure I could part with mine for 30k. '68 Chevy II - 454 full roller, rectangular port heads, M-21 4-speed, Ford 9&quot; w/Detroit Locker, rotisserie restoration about 7yrs ago. I also have the original owner’s manual, Protecto Plate, and receipts dating back to 1968. This Chevy II/Nova started life as a 6 cylinder bench seat grocery getter. Pics

http://www.napadow.com/Nova/P5210371.JPG
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http://www.napadow.com/Nova/P4150070.JPG
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http://www.napadow.com/Nova/engine5.jpg
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http://www.napadow.com/Nova/interior4.jpg

Re: The best musclecar around 30K?
 

Ziggy..You didn't respond to my post about a Camaro. I guess you missed it.

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Wow, that Nova looks sweet, and I bet it's a lot of fun.

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Sorry Tony.I've been real busy.Too many forums.I'm not looking for a Camaro past 71.
That is one nice Nova.Thanks anyway and to all who offered.
I'm in Indiana right now.I have a list of cars to look at.If anyone is near by or on the way back to Detroit,let me know.
Thanks

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OK Ziggy. Good luck in your search. I'm about 60 miles North of Detroit.
What is different in a second gen camaro from 70-72? Grill? HP ratings?