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Im having an inspection done tomorrow on the car...

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Ed, have your guy get a nice pic of the TT - that body number can only be one # per my calculations. If its not - then its trouble! There were only 2 Gobi Beige 4speeds with p/s, and the other one is alive &amp; well (but its painted black, with stripes done in silver - sounds like a cross between schoneye and cumby.... hmmm.... that didn't come out right! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img] )

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chads73camaro</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think if you look close at the underneath it is painted white. alot of street racers did this back in the day as they believed it kept the heat down and they ran faster. </div></div>

I've seen that done before, but in this case, it looks like beige underneath to me. I guess we'll know tomorrow.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> - sounds like a cross between schoneye and cumby....</div></div>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The Deuces came with a BB crossmember, not sure why but we think its a carryover from the '69 COPO 9737 which was BB based. The '70 Deuces all have AM Radios w/ windshield antenna's, I think even the FM cars got 'em - but got ground straps. Can't tell if the speedo unit is from '72 or just the bezel.</div></div>

Isn't the white lettering on the cluster and radio dial a dead give-away that the entire cluster has been changed to a '72? Even the radio knobs are 71-72.

If they used a big block crossmember would the transmission sit crooked in the car since the engine wasn't offset, or did the car use the big block frame stands?

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This car has none of it's original drive train including the trans and rear. Still a great project for someone.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COPO140</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This car has none of it's original drive train including the trans and rear. Still a great project for someone. </div></div>

Tom - what do you base your statement on? Have you seen the rear or photos of the stamping?

Thanks

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I have not seen photos of the stampings but know someone who has inspected the car. This is second hand info but I have no reason not to believe him. Of course, for those who are interested, inspect it for yourself.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: volspeed1970</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The Deuces came with a BB crossmember, not sure why but we think its a carryover from the '69 COPO 9737 which was BB based. The '70 Deuces all have AM Radios w/ windshield antenna's, I think even the FM cars got 'em - but got ground straps. Can't tell if the speedo unit is from '72 or just the bezel.</div></div>

Isn't the white lettering on the cluster and radio dial a dead give-away that the entire cluster has been changed to a '72? Even the radio knobs are 71-72.

If they used a big block crossmember would the transmission sit crooked in the car since the engine wasn't offset, or did the car use the big block frame stands?



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The green lettering in a '70 commonly appears white due to camera flash, so we can't immediately jump to your conclusion.

The BB xmember simply kicks the tail of the trans a 1/2 inch to the right, makes installing the bolts a little challenging but otherwise you just muscle it over.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COPO140</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This car has none of it's original drive train including the trans and rear. Still a great project for someone. </div></div>

If this is true, it will obviously reduce the fmv significantly - perhaps to its current bid, as that is the general range for a decent project deuce w/ no matching drivetrain (given other deuce sales in this condition/originality). You have to factor in ~15% on average for each missing drivetrain item, so that would knock it down by about 45-50%. So a high of $75-80kk becomes $40k in a hurry!

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If this car is missing everything - and it is starting to look that way and it is a 107k mile car I think the bidding is really topped out already. This is going to be a very expensive restoration to complete if you want to do it correctly. The rear if even able to find will probably set you back a solid $20k + and then you have to account of full rotiserie restoration at a minumum of $60k - before you know it you have a car that is worth $100-$120k costing you $150k to buy and restore. I dont think this will ever be a money car for anyone - but given the right passion and effort it could be a very nice authentic piece to add to your collection. If the muscle car market ever goes back to 2008 prices then there might be some appreciation there.

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Well, i got about a 100 pics of the car from my inspector - ill provide some info tomorrow on what i believe is the real picture of the car condition (its not pretty) etc.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: talwell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... I dont think this will ever be a money car for anyone - but given the right passion and effort it could be a very nice authentic piece to add to your collection. If the muscle car market ever goes back to 2008 prices then there might be some appreciation there. </div></div>

This is exactly where a lot of us Deuce owners were back in the mid '90's - we knew we would be upside down, even with doing all the work ourselves! We didn't care, it was never a 'money thing'. That is likely why so many Deuces have long ownership tenures - even during the high dollar years, most stayed right where they were.

Looking forward to the Ed's assessment.

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&quot;we knew we would be upside down, even with doing all the work ourselves! <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="text-decoration: underline">We didn't care, it was never a 'money thing'</span></span></span></span>. That is likely why so many Deuces have long ownership tenures - even during the high dollar years, most stayed right where they were. &quot;


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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORIGLS6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;we knew we would be upside down, even with doing all the work ourselves! <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="text-decoration: underline">We didn't care, it was never a 'money thing'</span></span></span></span>. That is likely why so many Deuces have long ownership tenures - even during the high dollar years, most stayed right where they were. &quot;


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Yeah..what they said...

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Marlins statement could not be more true. When I was fortunate enough to aquire my Deuce. (Thanks to Marlin and others on this site) It was as if I was being welcomed into a family. The wealth of information and time just given from he and Shoney were invaluable during the restoration.
I don't know what the old car is worth but I wouldn't trade the family that comes with it for anything.
Jamie

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The following list of items is what we found

- DEC 70 casting date on rear - BM code
- 69 Trans 9Bxxxb - m21 - no vin
- no protecto plate or other paperwork other than what is on ebay
- Painted GB underneath
- Car has been all apart at one time
- No sway bars front or back, back has the brackets weld to the floor as it should
- rear shackles wrong
- frnt rear spring mounting area on pass side - sheet metal all torn up
- no emerg brake stuff
- one YA wheel - the rest are ?? (never seen the codes before)
- no spare
- interior material on front seat not 70 style - did not check rear
- some interior parts seemed to be redyed from white to black
- floor on pass side (or was that driver?) was replaced
- trans hole cut for super shifter
- quarters and doors look solid
- trunk looked to be real nice
- some stripe kit in trunk but damaged
- no power steering
- booster - could not tell code - too much black paint
- master cyl - could only see a UT code on the tab
- Trim tag looked UNTOUCHED - heavy paint as well
- Trim info 05D car - WRN37259 (yes i know there is another number missing) i ran this by Marlin yesterday and with the other number, it aligns with his inventory sheet - We could not make out the missing numb clearly
- Color 50-50 GB
- Trim 731
- NO mat under the carpet
- Dash stuff - have pics but am not aware of the differences
- Door panels look real and are pretty good shape
- Motor - yes a CE block, Mallory dist, coil, after market alt
- Front fenders have some patch work on the lips
- did not check the hidden vins
- turn signal lever missing
- did not check the glass
- tach looks correct with the yenko crest

Thats all for now - hope this helps. Going to talk to the bank today about the findings.

Forgot to add the car had frame connectors at one time, rear of the subframe was welded and then cut off.
Also relooking at pics of the interoir - rear seat is not correct as well.
Subframe in the front of the car looked pretty rough as well.

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Great information.
I think it's worth noting the VIN # should follow that for archival purposes on this website.

VIN # 114270W351509

Did it have green or white face paint on the gauges sitting inside the 1972 seatbelt dashboard?

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Looks like white in my pics....

heater control looks like white lettering as well - i think 69 camaro is green and nova is white??

Trim - hard to see in pic - i think its 721 instead of 731...which ine is correct for the Deuce?

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S/B 731, likely correct given the correct body number.

Bummer on the condition, but at least we know. I'd say $40k'ish is all the money on that one - anything more and its bec/ somebody just has to have it.... hmmmm.......

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Im sure whoever is the high bid and did not look at the car would be very very dissapointed. In fact withdrawing from the bid would be a likely scenario.....

Depends on what you want to do with the car - i reconfirmed with the bank - there is no warranty book or protecto - unless the previous owner has it stuffed away somewhere.

And considering the fact its been apart completely - the matching VIN's is a large risk as well.

I would put the car in the mid 30's max...with alot of work and $$ if you want to restore the car back to the original...if not a race car would be a better option.

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Call me crazy but I'd bet it tops $50,000. When no driveline 69 Z/28s are bringing 25-30 grand and they built over 20,000 of them...a 1 of 176 Yenko/COPO Nova with the original Yenko window sticker is a 50K car in my eyes. Sure it's got some crude performace mods and missing original parts but I don't know of too many legit original COPO cars that don't. Also, being the fact that the bank selling it has made it clear that the auction will run until close and sell to the high bidder...I bet there are more than a few folks losing sleep and pondering finances during the next 4+ days.

Can't say I can remember when the last time one this nice was up for grabs to anyone willing to pony up the biggest stack.

Speculative value aside...did anyone notice the Yenko crest appears to have been on the driver's side of the decklid originally...looks like maybe the original Nova script was left in it's original location on the right?

Wish I had the cocconuts...

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The $40,000.00 bid has been pulled. It's back down to $30,300.00 as of this posting. Maybe the link to &quot;No Spin&quot; site saved someone from making a co$tly error.

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Erik I totally agree with you. If anything, I think the tone of this thread has made people nervous and might even attach a negative &quot;stigma&quot; to this car. Providing that the car is not a rebody, and the hidden vins are there, 50K+ is absolutely not a stretch for this car. When was the last time a real project Deuce that is on the inventory sheets, has the original window sticker, vintage pics, and is legitimately open to the highest bidder been available? Who cares if it needs a lot to make it right. A LOT of supercars have ben found in worse condition than this and are now concors cars.

Erik, the drivers side deck lid thing looked like a Mancuso dealer decal perhaps? At least that's what I thought at first.

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Doesn't look too bad to me either...in fact, it looks like a super resto candidate I'd love to own. So it doesn't have a protecto plate, who cares? How many other Deuces do? Less than a handful I bet. It's got the original window sticker, old pics, is on the sheets, has a good body, and even though the motor/trans/rear aren't original it's still a complete and pretty dang solid car.

Sure it would be great to have the &quot;born-with&quot; driveline and paint nice enough to go out and wax on tomorrow afternoon, but if you want one, you take what you get, and this certainly doesn't look like a bad car in the grand scheme of things. I also totally dig the fact that it's a Gobi Beige 4 speed that's essentially been an &quot;unknown&quot; car for years too. How often do you ever see a beige Deuce? Marlin's is about the only one I know of that's fully restored and out in the public eye. Say what you will, but I think it's a good looking color, and a rare one at that. As the old saying goes... show me the next one. I don't know what it'll do in the long run, but I think there are alot of cars a lot less cool and a lot less rare than this one that sell for way more than where this one's at right now.

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You know, the more I think about this the happier I am that someone is going to get a fair shot at a Deuce. For over a decade now there has been WAY to many back room deals on ALL sides on who is &quot;allowed' to get what car. You want this car, pony up. It's anyone's game.

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The body restoration on this car will be inexpensive if the doors and quarters and trunk area need no replacement. If all you need to do, is replace front fenders and pass compartment floor. The car would be in the paint shop quickly. The mechanical restoration would cost more than paint and body. Remember the last duece project on ebay? Total rust bucket out east. He wanted $25k or more.

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Back up to $40K. Did anyone get the full story on how the bank ended up with it? Was it a case of someone buying it on credit with the expectation of restoring it?

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I think the cars with non-original drivetrains (motor, trans, rears) should be called mechanical rebodies. It is great to preserve the vin number and buy in at a price thats affordable with a color thats seldom seen, but at the end of the day all you have is a vin number. In my opinion (and I'm others will disagree) the market becomes very nervous about investing when you're buying a car that is not original. A sponsor here has been trying to sell a rebodied Yenko Camaro for at least a yr, another member has been trying to sell a restamped motor '69 COPO for more than a yr, Reggie Jackson's green ZL1 damn near sold for $150k at BJ 2 yrs back... I could keep going and going.

This is a great car, one with history, but where is its place in this dismal economy?

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Reggie's rebodied ZL1 was over $300k with buyer premium.

As for your opinion - I tend to not agree. If the car was originally built and sold as a Yenko then it will always be one. Despite the fact that it is missing drivetrain, it is still a genuine car. The best thing to do with a car like this is to restore it as close to OE spec as possible.

As for why the bank got the car - I was told that the car was used as collateral on a commercial line of credit that was defaulted. This was followed by a very difficult process to get the car that took over a year.

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as the reserve met when it was at $40k?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: talwell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Reggie's rebodied ZL1 was over $300k with buyer premium.

As for your opinion - I tend to not agree. If the car was originally built and sold as a Yenko then it will always be one. Despite the fact that it is missing drivetrain, it is still a genuine car. The best thing to do with a car like this is to restore it as close to OE spec as possible.
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+1. The majority of supercars (and ANY old cars really) have had some sort of drivetrain replacement within 40+years... all original drivetrain stuff on every supercar would be great, but just not very realistic to expect.

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Dan, Just for the record this car isn't a rebody or a restamp, so where is the comparison? As Marlin posted &quot;this is 1 of 2 4spd,p/s Gobi cars&quot;. Seems really rare if you ask me.
But thats my 2 cents,
Joe

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Joe, no one has checked the hidden vins yet to verify this...probably is correct from what we saw at the inspection, however not 100% certain yet until you pull the cover off.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Justbad Joe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dan, Just for the record this car isn't a rebody or a restamp, so where is the comparison? As Marlin posted &quot;this is 1 of 2 4spd,p/s Gobi cars&quot;. Seems really rare if you ask me.
But thats my 2 cents,
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Point taken Joe... and my intent was not to draw false conclusions about the car. I was future pacing, stating that during the restoration, the motor and trans would be restamped, block broached and built correctly. At that point, there would be an even comparison. I have different feelings about non-original cars, super car, 1 of 2, etc. Like others have done here, I voiced my opinion. I still think its a cool car.

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enio, are you planning on bidding on this car at all or are you 100% out after the inspection?

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Frank, i have a call with the bank on monday - im not sure yet.

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Based on what has been discussed in this thread, this car is a bit of a crap shoot - isn't it? No original drive train components, no long ownership history (at least discussed here), No verification of body vin, no certification from an expert. Just some old photos with stripes that many people added back in the day, and some paperwork - It's probably legit, but fake paperwork is even fooling the experts these days. The bank that is representing this car needs to put more details in the listing - don't you agree?

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Mosport I understand your line of thinking but I vehemently oppose it:

&quot;I think the cars with non-original drivetrains (motor, trans, rears) should be called mechanical rebodies.&quot;

This is not a realistic or a responsible stance to take given how abused musclecars were back in the day and - especially when we are talking about GM vehicles - how light-weight some of the supporting elements of the drivelines were (transmissions, rearends). Re-body is a dirty, dirty word in this day and age and to attach it to this Deuce or any other car that needs a complete driveline replacement is wrong, wrong, wrong. They are just number stampings that do affect the value of the car but not its place in a bigger scheme of things. Let's be responsible here. Others are watching this thread and I would hate for someone to pass over a real Yenko Nova because they feel like it wouldn't be an &quot;accepted&quot; car once restored. It is our job to preserve and support this car and others as pieces of the cultural property of the Yenko legend. Not put it up on a dart board and throw the nastiest word we can think of - re-body - at it. Too far.

Sorry if I sound like I am high-horsing but that's my 2 cents. This is a great car for someone.