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We're currently in the middle of a software update...thanks to everyone for being so &quot;patient&quot;... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/confused.gif[/img]

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Frank,

I have never bashed any Moderator on this or any website....its not about the money, I too have many friends or crew as you refer to it. You have your own crew too.

So as your are protecting your crew, I am doing the same for my friends. No name calling either.....but if you feel better calling me a jerk...I`m a big boy I can handle it.

Dan

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i dont like this at all

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Let's all take a collective deep breath and give it a fair chance. I 'spect the Clarys will take care of us. Like Chris said, I too am a neophobic too (I think).

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is it just me or does anyone else have a lot of PM's that look like spam? i have like 20 pages of PM's that i did not send. if anyone wants, i can post a copy of them

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Dan, It is obvious that you and your guys are in the middle of a crusade to stick it to the mods and the admin for the beef with Ken Tibor. Your loyalty is admirable. Just think about something though. I can't speak for all the new guys on this site but people like me, you, Ken, Darren, Tom Williams, and dozens and dozens more have evolved as car gar guys largely in part of this site. Think about all the knowledge, connections, (money for some people), and most importantly, the friends you have made as a result of this site. Respect that is all I am suggesting.

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Frank,

Your correct......I am loyal to my friends and to Ken Tibor. I agree we have evolved...I just let my emotions get in the way, especially when it comes to people I care about.

I do respect the Yenko site and all it`s done for all of us and its members, I just had to vent.

Frank, say hello to your Dad.

Dan

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hvychev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the most shameful thread I have ever read on this site. All the same guys bitching too. Start your own site.

google groups </div></div>

I don't see what's so shameful about a few guys expressing their dislike about the changes.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hvychev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dan, It is obvious that you and your guys are in the middle of a crusade to stick it to the mods and the admin for the beef with Ken Tibor. Your loyalty is admirable. Just think about something though. I can't speak for all the new guys on this site but people like me, you, Ken, Darren, Tom Williams, and dozens and dozens more have evolved as car gar guys largely in part of this site. Think about all the knowledge, connections, (money for some people), and most importantly, the friends you have made as a result of this site. Respect that is all I am suggesting.

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Frankie.........Since it seems that you know the intentions and thoughts of certain individuals here, and you bring me into it.........Do you think it would be a good thing for me to start a thread on this site or another that would explain everything that happened behind the scenes and to clear the air for all......or just leave it alone.......as Dan said.....as dues paying members here I feel I am entitled to offer opinions......I guess in the future I will remain a member but I won't be a supporting member......

Ken

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Rob &gt;&gt; where is the VIEW FIRST UNREAD icon?

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Very interesting that no notice was posted by the administrators or nobody knew this was going to change? seems like a hacker got into the site and changed everything.

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Frank...while I DO appreciate your enthusiasm...and I consider you my friend as well...why wouldn't you have sent a PM instead of saying all of this stuff directed at certain individuals on the open forums?

It really needs to be kept private.

I also consider Dan Vasic a friend...as well as Ken Tibor...as well as Rob, Tom, the SCW gang and a host of others as well. Does that make me a jerk, because they are my friends? Does everyone have to fit into cliques...and only &quot;hang&quot; with those people? I have met SO many cool people BECAUSE we are all cars guys and &quot;hang&quot; on this site...and that's the cool stuff.

To me, the cars are secondary. If to be a member here requires you to have a Supercar, then I guess I am out...as I will never be able to afford one...and I am okay with that.

As far as the site upgrade, The way I look at it, a lot of people don't like the new look (yet...as it's a work in progress) me included (People don't like change...LOL). It will be interesting to see it evolve though...and will be a learning experience all over again, I am sure.

We are all adults here...and this is still the SYC. Let's just wait and see, please?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1970Ls6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is it just me or does anyone else have a lot of PM's that look like spam? i have like 20 pages of PM's that i did not send. if anyone wants, i can post a copy of them </div></div>


Reid, I don't have any SPAM PM's... so???

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just got this:

Recipient: &lt;[email protected]&gt;
Reason: Mailbox quota exceeded

I tried to send a note (privately) pointing out that you were unable to edit your posts ... at all ... not within 5 minutes or 30 minutes ... at all!

the familiar and friendly &quot;feel&quot; the site had is gone as well

I especially liked the link to &quot;active topics&quot; now there are two ... ???

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Rob, Mods, not trying to complain but thought to ask before you or the guys working the system is done and walking away...this text is kinda small and real hard to read on my old eyes...when your done is it going to look like it did before text wise?? when we open stuff up? I understand you guys need to fix stuff but please help out a old guys eyes.

Thnx B.

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It is apparent there is an upgrade being done so maybe we should help out by posting up the things that need to be fixed or tweaked without going overboard. Upgrades are always painful but will go quicker with constructive comments.

It appears that a lot of old deleted PM's have suddenly reappeared as undeleted so I would bet a lot of PM box's will be listed as full.

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As Rob said 2 pages ago, we are in the MIDDLE of a software upgrade...so yeah, stuff isn't gonna look the same as it did for a bit. Be thankful its not just shut down completely while the updates are being made, or you'd have to resort to using the phone to complain about everything among yourselves in the meantime. Rob is working his as$ off getting things back to the way everyone likes it...if you haven't noticed, every time you log in it's a little bit different than the way it was the time before. It'll get there...He knows what needs fixed and if he needs any &quot;help&quot; from anyone, I'm sure he'll ask for it.

As for the &quot;friendly feel&quot; being gone, i won't argue that, but it has nothing to do with the font size or features of the site. I'd highly recommend all of the bashing, personal attacks, digs, and general BS stop now or you'll have to find another site to complain on and/or about. -JB

Edit: I decided to keep the thread open, but please read the above notices and warnings, and realize the site is still in &quot;construction&quot; mode... bear with us, we're all doing the best we can.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chevy454</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We're currently in the middle of a software update...thanks to everyone for being so &quot;patient&quot;... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/confused.gif[/img] </div></div>

LOL, see.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/crazy.gif[/img] had this been an actual hostile takeover you would have clicked and seen nothing but Fords and Mopars!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/cry.gif[/img]

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As for the &quot;friendly feel&quot; being gone, i won't argue that, but it has nothing to do with the font size or features of the site. I'd highly recommend all of the bashing, personal attacks, digs, and general BS stop now or you'll have to find another site to complain on and/or about. -JB


I Agree 100%

Ken

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If I'm reading it right looks like our PM mailbox can hold 10,000 now - that would be nice [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xplantdad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Frank...while I DO appreciate your enthusiasm...and I consider you my friend as well...why wouldn't you have sent a PM instead of saying all of this stuff directed at certain individuals on the open forums?

It really needs to be kept private.

I also consider Dan Vasic a friend...as well as Ken Tibor...as well as Rob, Tom, the SCW gang and a host of others as well. Does that make me a jerk, because they are my friends? Does everyone have to fit into cliques...and only &quot;hang&quot; with those people? I have met SO many cool people BECAUSE we are all cars guys and &quot;hang&quot; on this site...and that's the cool stuff.

To me, the cars are secondary. If to be a member here requires you to have a Supercar, then I guess I am out...as I will never be able to afford one...and I am okay with that.

As far as the site upgrade, The way I look at it, a lot of people don't like the new look (yet...as it's a work in progress) me included (People don't like change...LOL). It will be interesting to see it evolve though...and will be a learning experience all over again, I am sure.

We are all adults here...and this is still the SYC. Let's just wait and see, please? </div></div>

Um, let's see Bruce. I directed these comments on a public forum as opposed to a PM because this is occurring on a public forum and NOT a pm. Come on Bruce, as the sites biggest cheerleader, I would imagine you would see it my way. Hell, you are one of the biggest success stories of positively evolving as a result of this site. I don't even have to start recapping all of the positive ways you have benefited in your hobby and personally because of this site. In turn you have also contributed A LOT to this site and as a result become a popular member. Now with that said, since you are always asking to be a moderator on the sYc why don't you show everyone how good you are at diplomacy. Tell this particular group of disgruntled members (since as you say, they are your friends) that they are being disruptive here. Tell them that they are setting a bad example to the dozens and dozens of new members that are reading all of this, and do not know all of the politics involved. Tell them they are turning this site into one of those sites like LS1 Tech or HAMB where it is a bunch of kids fighting. Tell them that no one is forcing them to be here and there are many other sites to pack up and move to. Tell them that in the past there was another bunch that did the same thing and are now on the outside looking in.

And Bruce, reading is a skill. No one called anyone a jerk because they were friends with someone. I said that they were acting like jerks because of all the points I made above.

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Rob is in the midst of a total forum software upgrade that requires him to spend countless hours working out all the changes that come with upgrades. He didn't write the new software upgrade package, yet he has to do ALL the debugging without prior counsel with the folks that did write the new software. I know Rob takes the technical end of this forum very personally and I know that every time we go thru an upgrade, his patience gets stretch marks that could lead to a &quot;why bother&quot; attitude. This adjustment period will likely take a couple weeks of Rob's every spare moment to get things closer to a more user friendly format. The risk is that when suggestions/opinions about the upgrade become closer to chronic complaints...the closer his hand gets to the &quot;pull the plug&quot; solution to his woes as the technical chief. Getting used to the new upgrade is a process that will cause all of us some grief, but I can't even imagine the grief it's causing at Rob's desk.

SS

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Frank...you will have a PM soon. I suggest you read it....maybe a few times.

For the record, I have benefited from this site by making lots of friends. Whether I have given anything back may be debatable...BUT, it's not your concern to keep score about what I do or don't do...in fact I think it's an insult for you to insinuate anything about what has transpired since I joined the site by somehow justifying that because I have gotten &quot;this&quot;...that I have to give back &quot;that&quot;. The people that have helped me out in the past know how I feel about them. But, it's NONE of your business.


I am an adult, you are an adult. Let's keep it that way. I have always tried to keep an even keel when posting on this site.

Can you say the same? It's the way I live my life.

BTW, you are not a moderator, so if the moderators have anything to say, let THEM do it. Otherwise, volunteer your time as a moderator and help to make the site better...not start bashing people because they don't agree with you. That brings this site down as well. And the new members whom you are concerned about are probably thinking the same things about the recent stuff you have posted as well.

As an aside, I am not &quot;Always asking to be a moderator here&quot;....far from it. I PMe'd Rob a while back and told him if he ever needed anyone, I would help out. I again (in a post this time) said that I'd offer to help out if needed. That's 2 times, buddy...not ALL the time

Frank, generalizations get you nowhere...except to escalate a situation when it's not necessary. Please refrain from doing so in the future...at least in reference to me.

Finally, thanks for the insult about my reading skills.

I had a great time talking to you and your dad at the reunions. Your dad is a great guy. Say hi to him for me, please.

I am done here....

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I would hope everyone is clear on what is happening with the site on the technical side. An upgrade. By someone who I've never met but know he has a family and a full time job. So let's cut some slack.

As far as the other stuff that's happening, far be it from me to be a peacemaker, say the right thing, or ever be suggested for moderation. I have, however, been fortunate to be in the company of smart people from time to time and remember things they say that have helped me stay married for a period of time, raise my family, and not loose clients (that are REALLY STUPID)!!

here's one of my favorites.....
before I speak, ask myself ;

<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">Does this need to be said ?
Does this need to be said by me?
Does this need to be said by me, here and now?</span> </span></span>

Good Luck!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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Hey Bruce, I don't appreciate the personal attacks. No one did it to you, so don't do it to me. I expressed my opinion about a situation and a collective group of people, not anybody personally.

I brought up what people have gained from this site so everybody can keep it in perspective. Like I wrote in my pm to you, as far as gains, I was referring to knowledge, friends, help with you car, basically the same things I and many others have gained from this site, so don't go and accuse me of insulting your family. That is about as low of a blow I have ever received on this site. Like I told you, I don't even know your family.

For a group of guys that claim to &quot;get it&quot; you aren't getting it.

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I need to make a correction. I should have said, bring your family into this, not &quot;insult your family.&quot;

Hey Rob, you ain't working quick enough. Will ya fix the edit button already?! What the hell am I paying you people for!

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New cool feature in pms! As you pm a bud on a particular topic, you start a thread so you can easily go back to see what was said in earlier postings just like on the main forum. Definitely a PLUS. Thanks! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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Frankie........Since you referenced me as a disruptive and disgruntled trouble making member here.....Feel free to go thru the archives and bring foward any post made by &quot;ME&quot; to show that I have been mean spirited toward anyone on this site.......Maybe when you get older and wiser.....you will get it.......Remember....you are the one that brought me into this discussion..........

Ken

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You know what, eff it. You guys can do what ever you want. You all &quot;get it.&quot; Maybe when I try to log in one day the whole joint will be gone. The Clary's will have pulled the plug.

I have nothing more to add here and won't respond to any more posts in this thread. Take care.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">New cool feature in pms! As you pm a bud on a particular topic, you start a thread so you can easily go back to see what was said in earlier postings just like on the main forum. Definitely a PLUS. Thanks! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] </div></div>

some good stuff - signatures got expanded big time as well - the more I dig the more good stuff I find [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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For the record, when I posted this &quot;what the heck happened&quot; thread, I meant it from the point of view that I thought we got hacked since I saw that wierd, purple, log-in page requesting my log in information. It was like the Nigerian version of Yenko.net. All that was missing was Mr. Dr. Obawattuu asking for my bank account number. :-)

Now that I know it's just a website upgrade, I am quite relieved. Can't wait to see the final product.

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I kinda feel the same way about your Firebird Steve....I can't wait to see the final product! What a great job you have done with that one [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/whistle.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hvychev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I have nothing more to add here and won't respond to any more posts in this thread. Take care. </div></div>

Great idea!

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Once we all adjust to the changes, it's going to be great.
Patience is important.

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Same thing here. I did not sign in until things started to look normal. New features are neat.

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hey, is this you tube video imbed new?? very cool!! I never saw THAT before!!

<object width="425" height="350"> <param name="movie" value="https://www.youtube.com/v/sj0TEUf75rk"></param> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param> <embed src="https://www.youtube.com/v/sj0TEUf75rk" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"> </embed></object>

yes Mom, it HAS mufflers!! NO MOM, it doesn't need a tune up !!!

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wow. an Avatar...I didn't even know what that was. (didn't see the movie)

embed You tube video.

long playing PM threads.

a question mark....I have my own question mark? who am I the Riddler? where's the stars?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hvychev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dan, It is obvious that you and your guys are in the middle of a crusade to stick it to the mods and the admin for the beef with Ken Tibor. Your loyalty is admirable. Just think about something though. I can't speak for all the new guys on this site but people like me, you, Ken, Darren, Tom Williams, and dozens and dozens more have evolved as car gar guys largely in part of this site. Think about all the knowledge, connections, (money for some people), and most importantly, the friends you have made as a result of this site. Respect that is all I am suggesting.

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LAY OFF FRANK!

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Everyone needs to take a chill pill. Rob as well as Joe and LV all already stated the site was being upgraded. As with all upgrades you lose and gain. The gain will far outweigh the loss. Give Rob a chance to get things tightened up and running smoothly. Dont expect it to happen over night and as LV stated Rob does take the site very serious and inbetween his three other REAL JOBS (Husband/Father/work) things will sort themselves out. Give him a chance to get it done. I will say I dont know what options/features the new board comes with but if people would give positive suggestions instead of bitching and moaning about it, it will help.

Rob, Thanks for taking the time away from your family to run the site here.

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I have to say that now that the site is coming back together, it is looking to be better than before.
It still would've been nice if the upgrades had been announced before they were started to be implemented, but then we couldn't have had fun reading all the posts about the changes we didn't expect.