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I agree with Joe that I too am tired of all of these "what's it worth" threads and other topics that get to be nonsensical. I don't know, but this site has been getting less and less interesting. When I visit here, which has been less and less frequent these days, there are a ton of names that I don't even recognize with under 100 posts debating Mopars, Oldsmobiles, and other cars I couldn't care less about. This is a Chevy Supercar site. See the definition of supercar in Joey's post. Those cars should be discussed here first and foremost. If I want to learn about Mopars I will go to the moparts board or whatever it is called. I just long for threads where I actually learn something usefull about Chevrolet dealer built and factory supercars. Unfortunately, the people that used to possess the knowledge that I learned from also don't post as frequently. The few times I have clicked on Ford or Mopar sites I never see guys boasting about their Chevy's, but I see all kinds of heated debate surrounding other brands here every day.

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Have you sold or know of any '71 Hemi E bodies that have sold recently-specifically Challengers??

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The '71 E-bodies still bring a premium to the '70s, car for car.

Since there were so few '71 Hemis built, options, color and quality can really make a difference in value, such as the shaker option on a '71 Challenger.

I was the under bidder on Andy's Challenger, for resale inventory. That car was well bought, by another one of our good customers.

Moderators; If you think the thread should be moved, I would tend to agree.

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We sold a few Hemi Cudas last year all were 4 speeds.

The low was $165,000.00 for a driver quality Hemi up to the Mid $200,000.00 range. The Hemi Cuda we had at Russo and Steele last year was a no sale at $235-$240,000, range plus the buyers premium.

We also currently have a very original Survivor Cuda for sale which will be running across the block at Russo and Steele in a couple of weeks, so we might have a chance to feel things out on that one.

Comparable L72 9561 COPO Camaros have been and are bringing close to these prices today. Tomorrow may be different.

Yenko L72 9561s fetch approx. $75-$100k more, car for car and ZL1 9560 COPOs fetch approx. double the Yenko number car for car.
With that said generalities are just that, and when the supply demand equasion is out of whack either way, you can have wild price swings up or down.

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Why is it that so many people assign such a value to such a thing? I see people making statements like this about Mr. Norm's cars as well. You won't find any add for such a thing in ANY old car price guide and I wonder if anyone has anyway of knowing if it REALLY adds any value to a car as it is seldom that two identical cars sold from different dealerships are available at the same time to the same buyer.

Not your remark but anothers.
As to the comments about WIW threads read my remarks in an earlier post. Along with the thought that if you exclude all of them as well as other that are not absolutely pertainate to what SOME are looking for in a web site there would not be much content and web site would soon flounder. I think the fact that it is 5 pages speaks to the fact that OTHERS are interested. This is the reason web sites have different forums of interest. If you don't like what is on this forum you can move to another. My guess is that your not finding things of interest is because MOST of those things have been discussed to the point there is nothing left to talk about.

This IS an everchanging market in one regard...selling prices, therfore I think it is VERY worthy of discussion and that most people find it interesting.

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I dont know what to tell you but Ive been messing with cars for along time and I can say 100% the selling dealers of cars can make a differance and add value. Just the facts Ive seen it happen time and time again and know plenty of people that will step up and pay more for a car from Mr. Norms, Yenko, Nickey, Gibb, Dana etc..

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Yenko L72 9561s fetch approx. $75-$100k more, car for car and ZL1 9560 COPOs fetch approx. double the Yenko number car for car.
With that said generalities are just that, and when the supply demand equasion is out of whack either way, you can have wild price swings up or down.

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Why is it that so many people assign such a value to such a thing? I see people making statements like this about Mr. Norm's cars as well. You won't find any add for such a thing in ANY old car price guide and I wonder if anyone has anyway of knowing if it REALLY adds any value to a car as it is seldom that two identical cars sold from different dealerships are available at the same time to the same buyer.


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I surely don't speak for others, but as a collector I would definitely pay more for a Yenko than a Non-Yenko COPO comparable car. I'm not going to quantify the difference and leave that to the negotiation.

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Why is it that so many people assign such a value to such a thing? I see people making statements like this about Mr. Norm's cars as well. You won't find any add for such a thing in ANY old car price guide and I wonder if anyone has anyway of knowing if it REALLY adds any value to a car as it is seldom that two identical cars sold from different dealerships are available at the same time to the same buyer.


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You are kidding ..right? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Who looks at old car price guides? I have yet to see one that came anywhere close to real world prices for supercars.

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Multimopars:Why is it that so many people assign such a value to such a thing? I see people making statements like this about Mr. Norm's cars as well. You won't find any add for such a thing in ANY old car price guide and I wonder if anyone has anyway of knowing if it REALLY adds any value to a car as it is seldom that two identical cars sold from different dealerships are available at the same time to the same buyer."

If you believe the old car price guide you reference then there is no need for this thread... you have the answer. The price guides I have seen have been so off from the market.

There are many variable that make up price. In many cases it should be on a car by car basis. Originality, condition, color, options, selling dealer and the cars provenance and history are what determines the value to most buyers. many cars are sold privately and their prices are not captured in any guide database.

Lets all wait until next weeks auctions as they are a relative barometer of the market(not an absolute indicator of values).

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You are kidding ..right? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Who looks at old car price guides? I have yet to see one that came anywhere close to real world prices for supercars.

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Well, a couple of examples would be insurance and finance companies.

There are seldom adds in these guides for things like a COPO ordered car mainly because they seldom change hands often enough that there are any recent comparibles. There are several things that people will assign values to that are not in price guides such as color.

I started this thread because I am interested in values as well as the cars themselves. It is often hard to determine values on some of these cars because they most often trade hands privately and the sales/buying price is not for public knowledge.

You have to treat a guide for what it is a "guide." It is the same thing with newer cars and the price guides used by the auto business. There are often times that a car dealer will pay full wholesale book for a particular car if it is a HOT sellers for them. Typically a dealer buys a car a minimum of $1000. BACK of wholesale. book.

These old car price guides are created from the prices of recent auctions and reporting old car dealers. You have to gleen the values based on what you know about these old car and what you follow. As an example, if you follow all of the auction reports for a particular type of car that there has been no reported sales since late 2006 you KNOW that you have to take into account a general market value discount because the guides value has not moved since that time because there have been no sales.

I have been buying and selling these old cars for 40+ years as well as spent 30 years in the new car business. I will say this, anyone that is concerned about being upside down in a car they intend to purchase is a FOOL if they don't look at price guides. OTOH, if you have a money tree in the back yard that you can pick $100. bills of off anytime you want, or if you purchase out the pure love of the car with no intentions of ever selling then it makes no difference to you. However, as much as most of us say we are in it for the love of the cars, MOST are aware and concerned with where there cars stand as a commodity.

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MM, you're being way too analytical here. You can't look to the price guides like the NADA on late models at auction. These cars are emotional buys, not commodities, and often times the STORY is as compelling as anything about the car. Dealers like Mr. Norm's, Berger, Dana, and Tasca had such a high profile, that many buyers want a piece of that. If history meant nothing, then factory Ferraris and Shelbys that won major races wouldn't bring any more than unsuccessful privateer cars. Going through one of the "BIG" dealers just adds cachet to some buyers (me included). Yenko SYC cars, even though mechanically identical to the iron COPO cars, are their own deal because they have their own IDENTITY, much like Shelbys. And most discerning collectors know that the COPO option was Yenko's brainchild, and that the non-Yenko cars were made after the fact. The Yenko brand has only gotten stronger through the efforts of this board and other media, and that is bound to create more demand. And whatever you think about the aesthetics of the stripes, they make the cars more visually interesting and give them a stronger identity. And if you don't think that makes any difference, then you need only look at the value differences of Judge and non-Judge GTO's to see the error of that view. Or even a Road Runner versus a 330hp Sport Satellite.

The heart wants what it wants and will often pay accordingly.

As for these WIW/value threads, they are a little distasteful, but are easily avoided for those who are not inclined to participate, IMO. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Well said Tom

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MM, you're being way too analytical here. You can't look to the price guides like the NADA on late models at auction. These cars are emotional buys, not commodities, and often times the STORY is as compelling as anything about the car. Dealers like Mr. Norm's, Berger, Dana, and Tasca had such a high profile, that many buyers want a piece of that. If history meant nothing, then factory Ferraris and Shelbys that won major races wouldn't bring any more than unsuccessful privateer cars. Going through one of the "BIG" dealers just adds cachet to some buyers (me included). Yenko SYC cars, even though mechanically identical to the iron COPO cars, are their own deal because they have their own IDENTITY, much like Shelbys. And most discerning collectors know that the COPO option was Yenko's brainchild, and that the non-Yenko cars were made after the fact. The Yenko brand has only gotten stronger through the efforts of this board and other media, and that is bound to create more demand. And whatever you think about the aesthetics of the stripes, they make the cars more visually interesting and give them a stronger identity. And if you don't think that makes any difference, then you need only look at the value differences of Judge and non-Judge GTO's to see the error of that view. Or even a Road Runner versus a 330hp Sport Satellite.

The heart wants what it wants and will often pay accordingly.

As for these WIW/value threads, they are a little distasteful, but are easily avoided for those who are not inclined to participate, IMO. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I respectfully DISAGREE with about 90% of what you have said here.
Here is why.
First I don't understand you first comment? Are you referring to LATE models from the standpoint of using an NADA guide for OLD car auctions or LATE model cars? Either way, an NADA OLD car guide is the last one I would use.

You must have missed my comments about the differences in buyers and certainly the emotional purchase falls under that as well.

I am all about HISTORY. In fact I am old enough to have lived in my heyday through this very history. Maybe that is why I feel the way I do about much of this. As far as I am concerned when you are speaking of an old car that COULD have been ordered from ANY authorized dealer why should WHO got the original owners money have any bearing on the price today? Maybe some of you younger guys are buying into this because you first learned of these cars through some of the books that have been published that taut these car and some of the DEALER packages etc.

There are exceptions and the Yenko cars are one but that is because of the stripes and lettering as you pointed out. Mr. Norm also had a special order of 1968 440/375 Darts that HE branded as a GSS. They were only available through him, which is another example of this. I would even throw in the Baldwin/Motion cars here simply because they had a HISTORY of being very competative race cars due to their "guarantee." This however could be likened to these cars that have a proven track record with a well known racer of the day that will command more money than a like car without.

Yenko did NOT invent the COPO porcess as it was used for many years prior for many special circumstance cars. I don't feel that the COPO order process is what gives value to these cars but rather how they were equipped through this process. It is just what has become the easy way of DESCRIBING what the car really is as it was not something you could find a Chevrolet brochure as an RPO.

I completely understand the differences between your example GTOs and Mopars, but in these instances mean nothing to the context of this discussion as they are either different models or sales packages, which we all know make a difference in values.

Your right "The heart wants what it wants and will often pay accordingly" but I don't think that people should be told that there is a substancial difference in the price of like cars simply because of where it was sold originally, above examples excluded. The bottom line is there really needs to be something "special" about the car ITSELF not just where it was sold. If this is something that eventually comes to be a FACT by virtue of proven sales prices where it can be determined THAT is why it sold for more, then so be it. In the meantime as a SALEMAN I can tell you it is simply the old car dealers that HAVE one in inventory or the SELLER/OWNER that is hyping this. I can honestly say that I have never heard anyone say that they are specifically looking for a car that was sold at a particular dealer to BUY other than the above examples.

As far as THIS WIW thread let me bring some clarity to this. I don't own one that I am selling, and I have no intentions or buying one. As I said, i am simply interested in old car values and what drives people's way of thinking on them and why. As you can tell, I have strong opinions on these things as obviously you and others do too. I consider this to be very HEALTHY discussion although I KNOW that often people have a tendence to get over heated. It reminds me of a time I was listening to two friends argue about baseball. One of them was an attorney and when some other outsider chimed in with "please stop arguing" he said "it is what I went to school to learn and do for a living." https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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"...In the meantime as a SALEMAN I can tell you it is simply the old car dealers that HAVE one in inventory or the SELLER/OWNER that is hyping this. I can honestly say that I have never heard anyone say that they are specifically looking for a car that was sold at a particular dealer to BUY other than the above examples."

I am not for sure what rock you crawled out from under, but you do not have a clue. "WHO got the original owners money" has a major impact on prices. Such names as Gibb, Nickey, Douglass, Berger, Dana, Harrell all will demand more $$ then a similar car sold by a unknown dealer. If all cars were viewed as equals, there would be no Supercar Registry or this site.

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"...In the meantime as a SALEMAN I can tell you it is simply the old car dealers that HAVE one in inventory or the SELLER/OWNER that is hyping this. I can honestly say that I have never heard anyone say that they are specifically looking for a car that was sold at a particular dealer to BUY other than the above examples."

I am not for sure what rock you crawled out from under , but you do not have a clue. "WHO got the original owners money" has a major impact on prices. Such names as Gibb, Nickey, Douglass, Berger, Dana, Harrell all will demand more $$ then a similar car sold by a unknown dealer. If all cars were viewed as equals, there would be no Supercar Registry or this site.

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Thank you for the warm welome to YOUR site. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

Explain to me the differene in one of these cars as opposed to one that could have been order from Joe Smith Chevrolet?
Let me ask you this, would you pay signifigantly more for a 4 door Impala that one of these dealers sold simply because they sold it?
What possible effect does WHAT dealer sold it have on weather it is defined as a super car? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif To me a super car is define by its drivetrain. But it is your site so feel free to make up a definition that everyone here should bow down to.

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"....would you pay signifigantly more for a 4 door Impala that one of these dealers sold simply because they sold it?"

Yes...


No differest then celeberity owned cars demanding more money then similar "Joe Blow" owned cars.

It happens every day.

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Multimopars, I am stating to think more and more that you are some troll that has dropped in here just to stir $hit up. Seriously, I don't think many of us are interested in reading every 1000 word manifesto-like post that you type. Maybe it is time that you should get lost and go to a Mopar site where you would be received with a "warmer welcome."

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MulitMopars, with all due respect, It doesn't really matter if you think cars sold at some of the big name dealers should be valued the same as ones sold at "Joe Smith" Chevy. It's the guys that are buying them that determine that they are worth more. If there were 2 identical COPOs for sale and one has documents that says it was bought new at Berger, or any other big name dealer, and the other has documents showing it was bought at "Joe Smith" Chevy, the Berger car will always sell for more money. Whether you agree or not, facts are facts.
James

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...what has more value?...a Picasso or a lesser known artist similar painting from the same era...it's that easy...it's entirely on a buyers preference...some dealers from day 1 were all about performance thus their name has been attached to these special cars from then and that's what increases demand for them...

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The value of these cars is based on thier pedigree - a car from the renowned muscle car dealers of the period have a much better pedigree than the unknowns. Yes, technically it is the same car but the pedigree is really what you pay for. I would much rather buy a car with a known pedigree for the bragging rights than to have a car from an unknown.

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MultiMopars, Most people that use/peruse this site exhibit a lot of patience regarding posts that they may or may not agree with...or to posts that have no really clear and defined answers and have been asked a million times (i.e., beaten to death).

I applaud the users of this forum for their patience regarding posts like this one. I tend to not respond to these types of posts...as most of the time it's a waste of everyone's time...but I felt the need to respond here.

First of all, most of the people on this site are very familiar (and are in tune) with current market trends and pricing on cars. Most of the people here are intimately familiar with Barrett Jackson and all of the other auctions in AZ and elsewhere...and how they are run and what happens at them.

Secondly, I went back and read through almost all of your posts and couldn't really find anything postive in any of them. You are either berating or challenging
everyone that chooses to respond to your posts because they don't agree with you. Then you BOLD certain words to make your point.

You may not see it the way I do...but it's fairly obvious to me, at least.

This is a site that has fostered a ton of friendships because of a common bond, the love of musclecars.

If all you can do is offer up negative post after negative post...with pessimistic or defeatist attitudes, why even bother?

Cars are cool...people are cool! Make it out to Pavillions sometime...or maybe even the auctions, instead of arguing on the internet. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

It's much more fun...

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Bruce-

I am impressed with your professionalism here, you truly are someone who "gets it" as Mr. Cumby likes to say.

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Jake

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Let me ask you this, would you pay signifigantly more for a 4 door Impala that one of these dealers sold simply because they sold it?

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Yes. Why do you keep trying to logically define something that's purely emotionally driven? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Well, the masses have spoken.

I did not start this thread to argue about anything, I simply asked some questions.

No one has yet shown any clear cut proof with regards to a partiular car that has sold for more money simply because it sold originally from any given dealer. This was a sidbar incidently to my original question.

Simple information gathering, thats all.

Sorry that some found this negative.

No further comments necessary.

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No one has yet shown any clear cut proof with regards to a partiular car that has sold for more money simply because it sold originally from any given dealer.

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Now you are really joking aren't you? I guess you have never heard of Gibb, Nickey, Baldwin, Yenko, etc....

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Well, the masses have spoken.

I did not start this thread to argue about anything, I simply asked some questions.

No one has yet shown any clear cut proof with regards to a partiular car that has sold for more money simply because it sold originally from any given dealer. This was a sidbar incidently to my original question.

Simple information gathering, thats all.

Sorry that some found this negative.

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Uh, I've paid a premium for cars from high-perf oriented dealerships that aren't one of the big names, but meant something to me personally. That's the point. It's emotion. It's not something you can define and print in Old Cars Price Guide.

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No one has yet shown any clear cut proof with regards to a partiular car that has sold for more money simply because it sold originally from any given dealer.

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Now you are really joking aren't you? I guess you have never heard of Gibb, Nickey, Baldwin, Yenko, etc....

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When MultiMopar stated it is foolish not to use "Old Car Price Guides and called these cars a commodity, he lost most of us. These cars are not a business to most of us, we are enthusiast with a passion for these cars. Yes they are expensive but there is no risk if you love these cars(because you know your cost upfront) I have owned many Muscle cars and have never felt the need to refer to a car price guide. If these car were a commodity I would say yes use the price guide but the cars you are targeting are scarce and they haven't been produced for 40+ years.

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MM
I can't really answer your original question you started this topic with,because I don't follow those cars as much.But I think most have been very respectful with the majority of your inquiries on here and have shared good insight.
As well as paying more for a car that sold new from a well known dealer like those already mentioned,(compared to one that wasn't),trinkets & memorabilia from those same dealerships are also highly sought after by their owners and thus more money is offered as well,compared to the average lesser known dealerships.
But to include the lesser known dealerships also,like one where my non super car was sold new at,I'll personally pay tall money for anything that came from them.Why??..because it means that much more to me then another dealership out there.Why??..because it's geared towards my car and that speaks volumes to me.
So much so,that I have to have it at nearly any cost.

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Now you are really joking aren't you? I guess you have never heard of Gibb, Nickey, Baldwin, Yenko, etc....

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Of course I have heard of them. I was selling Dodges new in 1968-74 and I suspect it was probably before you were born. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

It just makes no sense to me. A car's value should be based on it's condition and model regardless of WHO sold it. If the documentation to prove what the car is happens to also determine what dealer sold it that should have no bearing on it's value.
What is missing here is that I believe ALL of these hipo COPO cars WERE sold by ONE of these dealers so how can you assign partiular value from one dealer over another? If one of these cars surfaces that could be documented and it showed that it was sold in some farm town dealership that also sold tractors would it be worth more or less?

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Ask Fred Gibb.

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MM
I can't really answer your original question you started this topic with,because I don't follow those cars as much.But I think most have been very respectful with the majority of your inquiries on here and have shared good insight.
As well as paying more for a car that sold new from a well known dealer like those already mentioned,(compared to one that wasn't),trinkets & memorabilia from those same dealerships are also highly sought after by their owners and thus more money is offered as well,compared to the average lesser known dealerships.
But to include the lesser known dealerships also,like one where my non super car was sold new at,I'll personally pay tall money for anything that came from them.Why??..because it means that much more to me then another dealership out there.Why??..because it's geared towards my car and that speaks volumes to me.
So much so,that I have to have it at nearly any cost.

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As stated by others, it is a personal choice of the buyer if he wants to justify in his mind if he is willing to pay more because of this.

I can understand someone willing to pay a little more for a car from say their hometown dealer or say their father's old car that they have an emotional attachment to. But what I am speaking of is in general for buyers that have no emotional attachment to the original selling dealer. I just can't see people making a blanket statement that the selling dealership SHOULD have added value to EVERYONE.

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A very desirable car is a 67 Nickey converted 427 Camaro. I believe Mike sold one about a year ago at Mecum for around 400K ? Out here in Ca. we had a dealer named John Geer that also was converting 67 Camaro's with 427's. The Nickey is worth several hundred Thousand and the Geer car if to be found is probably worth less that 100K.

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A very desirable car is a 67 Nickey converted 427 Camaro. I believe Mike sold one about a year ago at Mecum for around 400K ? Out here in Ca. we had a dealer named John Geer that also was converting 67 Camaro's with 427's. The Nickey is worth several hundred Thousand and the Geer car if to be found is probably worth less that 100K.

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Now there is a somewhat qualified answer, but are these asking pries now, then or at different times on each car or simply your opinion?

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do you recall the stupid phrase everyone threw around in '09 especially your boss when explaining something to you that sucked......" it is what it is" .....well if a car came from a certain dealer yesterday or today and has paper to back it up,

there generally more desirable to buyers and will usually ad a few bucks to its value......." it is what it is" .....simple as that.

being your a old dealer I cannot fathom why you dont grasp this concept...any dealer or private seller I have been around plays on this when selling, I find it very hard to believe your so naive to claim to not understand this......did you deal in a town of a population of a 100 people???

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Go out of town for a few days and didn't check the site.....see what I missed...

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Darryl, one of the things that amazes me, your website web page is about helping folks determine the value of muscle and vintage cars, but you are unable to grasp the notion that some cars, because of who the selling dealer was, are worth more.

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Darryl, one of the things that amazes me, your website web page is about helping folks determine the value of muscle and vintage cars, but you are unable to grasp the notion that some cars, because of who the selling dealer was, are worth more.

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For $25 I hope you get a copy of the "Old Car Price Guide"
as well. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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The Nickey sale price was real and I'm fairly certain it would bring the same amount even today. There hasn't been a Geer car sale that I know of but I'm certain I am the only guy on this site that has heard of them. I'm also certain that everybody across the country would pay more for the Nickey because it is well known. My opinion is based on collecting and owning some very special cars over the years. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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When I'm racing my car,the questions I'm asked the most are, "is that a real COPO?",and "is it a real Berger car?" If you do not think the dealership matters, get an old "by Berger" emblem, get another from your Chevy dealer down the street and put them both on E-Bay. See which one gets the most money!

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For frigs sake...we're all here right now because of one specific little dealership!.

Welcome to Yenko.net!

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~ Pete

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I like real cars best...especially specific DEALER cars!

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Wow, annoying music on that webpage.

Re: COPO VALUES IN GENERAL
 

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For $25 I hope you get a copy of the "Old Car Price Guide"
as well. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif I didn't realize I could find out everything I ever needed to know about buying a collector car for a low one time payment of $25.00.

Suddenly everything seems much clearer now... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif