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Steven, can you help me? I know you're a Mopar guy but I'm at a loss because
I've tried to lay it out.

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The only help we need here is for you to answer directly to all of the direct questions I have aked that remain unanswered.

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jason if the b body dana is forsale please let me know thanks.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

Re: 69 Charger Find
 

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This site give you the numbers from a VIN
It uses data from Galen.

http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=100

Jan

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Tried it with a number off a base 383 4 speed RR hardtop I used to own. Then tried it with a vin off a Six Barrel Runner I used to own and got nothing on either. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Re: 69 Charger Find
 

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Remember, GGs figures came straight from Chrysler Corp.

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Just out of curiousity, when and where did Galen come up with these records? I'm assuming it was before they all got thrown in the dumpster in the late 70's-early 80's?

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Scott,


PM Sent.

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Remember, GGs figures came straight from Chrysler Corp.

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Just out of curiousity, when and where did Galen come up with these records? I'm assuming it was before they all got thrown in the dumpster in the late 70's-early 80's?

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Galen got "into" all of this in the early 80s. The IBM cards for the 1968 and newer cars have been destroyed with conflicting stories as to it being a fire or a flooded basement that ended their life.

The production figures were something that was kept seperately and MAY still exist. However Chrysler will no longer 'talk" to just anyone about them, you have to have an "in."

The V.I.N. break down for a 1969 /6 Charger are as follows:
X=Charger
P=Premium price class
29=2 door hardtop
B=225 6 cylinder engine
9=1969 model year
?=assembly plant ? is because they were built in
differnet plants
the last 6 digits are the sequence number

Re: 69 Charger Find
 

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Remember, GGs figures came straight from Chrysler Corp.

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Just out of curiousity, when and where did Galen come up with these records? I'm assuming it was before they all got thrown in the dumpster in the late 70's-early 80's?

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Galen got "into" all of this in the early 80s. The IBM cards for the 1968 and newer cars have been destroyed with conflicting stories as to it being a fire or a flooded basement that ended their life.

The production figures were something that was kept seperately and MAY still exist. However Chrysler will no longer 'talk" to just anyone about them, you have to have an "in."

The V.I.N. break down for a 1969 /6 Charger are as follows:
X=Charger
P=Premium price class
29=2 door hardtop
B=225 6 cylinder engine
9=1969 model year
?=assembly plant ? is because they were built in
differnet plants
the last 6 digits are the sequence number

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Let me put this another way. If Galen told me the sky was blue, I'd step outside and check for myself.

Aside from that, 442w30, I understand exactly what you're trying to get across here.

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Aside from that, 442w30, I understand exactly what you're trying to get across here.

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I know I can't be the only one! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

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The only help we need here is for you to answer directly to all of the direct questions I have aked that remain unanswered.

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Not only has it been answered by me, but you also answered your own question in a previous post. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Re: 69 Charger Find
 

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The only help we need here is for you to answer directly to all of the direct questions I have aked that remain unanswered.

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Not only has it been answered by me, but you also answered your own question in a previous post. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Here are the questions and comments I have been asking from the onset.

YOU SAID:
Those numbers are from Galen Goviers book on production figures and he does not show any others for non US porduction as he does with others from the same book. Do you know something he doesn't? Those figures came directly from Chrysler.

You answered NO to this.

YOU SAID:There are no definitive Canadian or export figures in his books. Notice the "S" and the "T" indicators by each stat? Have you seen the key to see what they stand for?

Yes, there are. There are many examples of "C"s throughout the book indicating Canadian shipped cars. In fact, my book shows for 1969 Chargers, 29 Canadian shipped Hemi R/Ts, 4 Canadian 500s, and 49 Daytona for 1969 production. The absence of a "C" in the /6 production numbers means there were NONE for these /6 Charger being discuss shipped to Canada. He indicates in his remarks that "E" indicates shipped export cars but there are none indicated throughout my book, and as I posted above may account for the missing figures YOU commented on.

YOU SAID:Um, because my 2001 edition of the same book , which I posted above, shows the numbers to be US-spec cars only? And since I am interested in production figures, I try to be on the up-and-up with them?

Not until page 4 of this post did you finally post the above that I had been asking for additional CREDIBLE source disputing what I originally posted. This may have been what you were using but you never IDENTIFIED it as such. It does NOT show anything different that what I have been saying. You are assuming that since there are no "Cs" shown for Canadaian shipped /6 cars that there MAY have been some, which is not what GG is showing in his books as I explained above. Also, you indicated that you have other source material that GG also had but never offered to show what it was. Just because you SAY SO means nothing with out some kind of CREDIBLE back up.

The REAL unanswered question STILL and has been from the beginning is, just EXACTLY what is it that you have posted that indicates there were any more than the 467 cars shipped? The only thing that you have posted are the very SAME figures I started with. The only thing you have said differently is that the figures I posted were indicative of US shipped cars only. I believe I have offered CREDIBLE proof that there WERE Canadian shipped cars from the info above.

Have you noticed the continual use of CREDIBLE used throught my posting in this thread? Just show me some CREDIBLE source that show what the numbers are of OTHER /6 1969 Chargers that you seem to think were built and the discussion can be put to bed.

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Give it a rest already.

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I think I can pinpoint the part of your confusion:

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The absence of a "C" in the /6 production numbers means there were NONE for these /6 Charger being discuss shipped to Canada. He indicates in his remarks that "E" indicates shipped export cars but there are none indicated throughout my book, and as I posted above may account for the missing figures YOU commented on.

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You are incorrect in inferring that a lack of detail on C or E numbers means there are none.

Posted here for your perusal is what Galen has - it's a production figure report (in this case, for a 1969 Barracuda):

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9408/69cudap1.th.jpg

This list is for US-spec cars only. This is how Chrysler kept records. Were Canadian cars kept by Chrysler of Canada? Possibly, which is why it's so hard to find info on Canadian numbers, if not export numbers. If you're so sure that the lack of Canadian /6 numbers in the book means none were built for Canada, why didn't Galen indicate Canadian figures for every other car in the book?

And have you noticed that the Canadian figures in the book are mainly Hemi cars?

There are plenty of Mopar people who can back me up with this. You need to chalk this as one of those "Damn, I was mistaken all this time" episodes, which happens to me on occasion.

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I don't know if this hijacking of Jason's thread is good or bad. But its sad to say the least.

I agree 100% with Joe.

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I'm not worried about the hijacked thread. My head is just spinning from these guys saying the same thing back and forth over and over. 1 of 200 and 1 of 250 is really the same thing if you ask me.


Jason

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Must be getting close to winter https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Perhaps if we were discussing Chevys, you'd be more patient. If you're interested in accuracy, then pay attention! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Re: 69 Charger Find
 

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I think I can pinpoint the part of your confusion:

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The absence of a "C" in the /6 production numbers means there were NONE for these /6 Charger being discuss shipped to Canada. He indicates in his remarks that "E" indicates shipped export cars but there are none indicated throughout my book, and as I posted above may account for the missing figures YOU commented on.

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You are incorrect in inferring that a lack of detail on C or E numbers means there are none.

Posted here for your perusal is what Galen has - it's a production figure report (in this case, for a 1969 Barracuda):

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9408/69cudap1.th.jpg

This list is for US-spec cars only. This is how Chrysler kept records. Were Canadian cars kept by Chrysler of Canada? Possibly, which is why it's so hard to find info on Canadian numbers, if not export numbers. If you're so sure that the lack of Canadian /6 numbers in the book means none were built for Canada, why didn't Galen indicate Canadian figures for every other car in the book?

And have you noticed that the Canadian figures in the book are mainly Hemi cars?
There are plenty of Mopar people who can back me up with this. You need to chalk this as one of those "Damn, I was mistaken all this time" episodes, which happens to me on occasion.

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Not true look at the amount of "C" bodies that have Canadian production numbers.

Does you more current book indicate any 1969 /6 Charger that show any designated "E" or "C" production numbers?

Until you provide a CREDIBLE source that shows anything different I (and the rest of the hobby) will be accepting the recognized authority (GG) that HAS taken the time to publish what Chrysler had to offer on this subject.

Re: 69 Charger Find
 

Theres a /6 69 charger in Clayton NJ Delsea Auto Parts but very rough

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I had as neighbor that worked for Chrysler in the 60's & 70's

When it was damp out his brand new company car would never start ...

Imagine hearing the constant whirr of a Mopar starter on a cold dark morning until it wound down to rrrr rrr click

That's the truth as I remember it and I don't care what they did in Canada ... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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I had as neighbor that worked for Chrysler in the 60's & 70's

When it was damp out his brand new company car would never start ...

Imagine hearing the constant whirr of a Mopar starter on a cold dark morning until it wound down to rrrr rrr click

That's the truth as I remember it and I don't care what they did in Canada ... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ] I had a neighbor with a Mopar did the same thing on start up. And that was in Vegas where it's hardly damp outside....the car owner got up before me in the morning....off in the distance.... rrrr rrr click click and then a loud "Damn Mopar". True story.

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I'm away for the holiday so I can't reference my book at the moment.

However, I do think you're on crack - ask around people who know Mopars inside and out. I've even asked the proprietors of TWO Mopar registries and they agree with me. The fact of it all is that I've offered TWO credible sources . . . and one of them is the same one you're using. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Hey, Diego! Can't you two just exchange phone #s? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif
That way, (with all due respect), you can go at it for as long as you can stand it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif
Or, you can agree to disagree. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif
Have a safe trip and a peaceful holiday. That goes for all of you guys. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Yep...winter is definitely coming soon.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

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Andy, isn't this forum about bench-racing and discussing cars?

Have a good holiday too - I'm in DC visiting Mom and sis+kids. Best thing is Dad is here too - divorce doesn't have to get in the way of turkey! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I had as neighbor that worked for Chrysler in the 60's & 70's

When it was damp out his brand new company car would never start ...

Imagine hearing the constant whirr of a Mopar starter on a cold dark morning until it wound down to rrrr rrr click

That's the truth as I remember it and I don't care what they did in Canada ... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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when it was damp out here, they didn't start either. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif
happy thanksgiving! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I'm away for the holiday so I can't reference my book at the moment.

However, I do think you're on crack - ask around people who know Mopars inside and out. I've even asked the proprietors of TWO Mopar registries and they agree with me. The fact of it all is that I've offered TWO credible sources . . . and one of them is the same one you're using. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Then I guess all you have to do is post them.

Happy Thanksgiving