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Re: RogerD's 1969 Dick Harrell Chevelle
Joe - I'm a packrat for sure and I have pictures of my '66 Chevelle SS (3 Polaroids) but have not located one single picture yet on the '69 DHPC. I've asked relatives and friends to search but again, so far not one single picture. I've also asked friends who rode in the car to register and leave comments - hopefully, we will have the favor of their post some time in the not too distant future! I am searching for a fellow from Gallatin who (one early summer evening in 1970 on Hwy 13 between Gallatin and Hamilton, MO) met more than his match. He was driving THE HOT DODGE in Gallatin - believe it was tricked out - never had a chance with my plane/Jane orange V8 Chevelle. . .
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That's great Roger. Congratulations on getting your car back. I can't imagine how excited you must have been when you found it. Which I'm sure took some serious research. Sadly, since the interior is now a different color, the original seats are long gone. And at the least, if they were recovered, they most likely wouldn't have put the build sheet back. Did your car come with the sleeper dog dish caps, or did it have the SS wheels on it? [/ QUOTE ] the invoice states " spec. wide stance wheels 14 x 7" I guess that could be either ... but *I* would not think plain dog dish wheel would be considered "special" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif (at least back then when all the "cheapie" cars had them ... ) and to the other person that asked if it had disc brakes or not, the invoice states "large power disc brakes" also interesting to note is that it included "hood locks", simply reading the laundry list they have on the invoice answers a lot of the questions asked : http://www.northshoreclub.net/69DHPC/RD_69DHC-3.jpg |
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the invoice states " spec. wide stance wheels 14 x 7" I guess that could be either ... but *I* would not think plain dog dish wheel would be considered "special" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif (at least back then when all the "cheapie" cars had them ... ) [/ QUOTE ] Roger has already stated it had rally wheels on it, possibly the ones still on the car. |
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Had a set of keys made today using the codes listed on the Dealer Invoice (that detail has been blanked out) - I'll update the post later this evening with the results. I am optimistic they will fit (that will save me the cost of new locks and Ignition switch)!
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I took the pic of the block at SCR9 (2006) when some guys drove in from, was it Texas?, and had the engine for sale. Some people questioned it but I could not see anything strange with it, other than that it was a Kansas block. There is another thread about this engine, which I can´t find, where another member of this board shows more pics of the engine.
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Hmmm.Very interesting...I remember that motor at SCR. Looks legit to me, but I'm far from a stamp expert. I'm still betting this DH car turns out to be a COPO.
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Would be interesting to determine the casting number and date range on this if it can be routed out . . .
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Here's a picture of the Cowl tag on my 1969 Dick Harrell Chevelle . . . http://www.northshoreclub.net/69DHPC/DHPC_Cowl-tag.jpg [/ QUOTE ] Welcome Roger and congrats on finding your original car.. Really nice to see you're w/ your original wife too!. Not absolute but the Cowl Tag 'L' and '72/72' both lead to speculation it was originally an SS car before DH laid his magic hands on it.. Does anyone know of genuine Copo's w/ the 'L' also if any Copos shipped in Monaco Orange or Daytona Yellow had the 72 or 76 on their tags or '--'?. Also there's at least one known existing genuine Kansas Copo Chevelle isn't there?. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif ~ Pete |
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Fairly certain I've seen at least one other 72-72 paint code on a COPO chevelle. Seems it was at SCR a couple years ago? On orange SS cars I've only seen - - Yet another reason I'm thinking this was more than an SS from the beginning. Any of you Chevelle guys know of any 72-72 coded 69 Chevelles?
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It was a #512 block cast C 11 9
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Great car Roger D. Did you receive a POP with this car when new? For the SYC crew a ? What does AVO stand for? Thanks, Phil.
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What does AVO stand for? [/ QUOTE ] Avoid Verbal Orders... BTW: RogerD, check your private messages... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif |
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[ QUOTE ] Here's a picture of the Cowl tag on my 1969 Dick Harrell Chevelle . . . http://www.northshoreclub.net/69DHPC/DHPC_Cowl-tag.jpg [/ QUOTE ] Also there's at least one known existing genuine Kansas Copo Chevelle isn't there?. [/ QUOTE ] I have a copy of a Leeds buildsheet from another member here, it's a "- B" car that was originally Daytona Yellow...shows "1001HA" and "9566AA" on the sheet, and on it's tag (and buildsheet) is listed "AVO 226". This same member knew of Roger's AVO 227 car long before Roger acquired it or started looking for it... |
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Fairly certain I've seen at least one other 72-72 paint code on a COPO chevelle. Seems it was at SCR a couple years ago? On orange SS cars I've only seen - - Yet another reason I'm thinking this was more than an SS from the beginning. Any of you Chevelle guys know of any 72-72 coded 69 Chevelles? [/ QUOTE ] Doesn't Mark Hassett have one? |
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My buddie's COPO Chevelle, that he bought new, was Monaco Orange.
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I just sold a code 72 72 Super Sport Chevelle project car. I had a Baltimore built Copo Chevelle a while back and it was - - on the trim tag.
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Seems they could go either way... 72-72 or - -. I'm still putting my money on this DH Chevelle being a factory 427/COPO car.
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Harrell converted '68 COPO Chevy IIs to 427 power, so he was definitely aware of the COPO system and had dealers who would supply him. My Baltimore tag is somewhat different and it is also different from our Baltimore 396 car's tag. It sure would be nice if this car turned out to be a COPO. A real SS car would be nice too. Nice find.
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Here's the Kansas Copo engine thread from a couple years back that Anders is referring to..
There's obviously controversey over the stampings but nothing is conclusive so the noted Vin worth comparing w/ the Vin of Roger's car.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/show...fpart/all/vc/1 Here also is a Team Chevelle thread w/ the same engine topic.. http://www.chevelles.com/forums/arch.../t-160874.html Keith, do you recall if your friends Copo had the 72/72 or '--' on the tag?. And again is the 'L' on any known Copo Cowl Tags or only on SS cars?. Too bad the original rear is gone as it'd sure clear up some info!. And Roger, what was the answer on the POP existing or is there any chance there's any paperwork w/ POP imprints still around as it'd probably have the rear code too?. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif ~ Pete -------------------- I like real cars best...the REAL real ones! |
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Harrell converted '68 COPO Chevy IIs to 427 power, so he was definitely aware of the COPO system and had dealers who would supply him. My Baltimore tag is somewhat different and it is also different from our Baltimore 396 car's tag. It sure would be nice if this car turned out to be a COPO. A real SS car would be nice too. Nice find. [/ QUOTE ] Heck yeah he knew about the COPO program...that's without question. http://www.fredgibb.com/images/ZL1-new.jpg |
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He also never took off any SS emblems from the '68 COPO Novas he converted, nor the '68 SS Chevelles he converted, nor the '69 Camaro SS's he converted... so I don't see why he'd go out of his way to have every SS emblem from a coverted '69 Chevelle removed, including replacement of the dash spear to read "Malibu"...oh and replace all 4 factory supplied SS wheels with rally wheels.
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Everyone has very good points here and nothing was set in stone,but among other things,this would be the first Monaco/Hugger Orange colored 427 COPO Chevelle,(not to mention a Kansas-Leeds assembly),that most know of that has 72 72 on it's cowl tag.
Others 427 COPO's,(Baltimore assembly),have - - as were considered/assembled as a Malibu. All Monaco/Hugger Orange 69 Chevelle Super Sports I've seen have 72 72,as dictated by Chevrolet. http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t...paints0003.jpg http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t...paints0004.jpg http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t...paints0005.jpg http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t...paints0006.jpg http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t...paints0007.jpg Can anyone lead this topic to a <u>documented</u> 1969 Monaco/Hugger Orange Chevelle Super Sport with - - on its cowl tag,or a 427 COPO w/72 72 on it's cowl tag? |
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I could have sworn there was an orange COPO at an SCR with a 72-72 trim tag, but I may be (and probably am) mistaken. So I guess the only 72-72 COPO Chevelle I know of is this one right here...but I still think that's what it is.
Its quite possible (and IMO, likely) that this particular car doesn't follow the "accepted" norm for trim tag coding due to the low number of COPO cars produced at this plant, in this color. Lots of production/assembly line parts and assemblies for a COPO would parallel what was used for an SS, trim, hood, required options, etc. So it's quite possible the tag was done the same way an SS would be done if whoever was doing it wasn't familiar with the "norm" for coding a COPO car. That's of course if this turns out to indeed be a COPO! |
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True..and it does have the right time period showing on it's cowl tag for when other 427 COPO Chevelles have been known to have been assembled.If this is a 427 COPO,the fact that it's a never before seen Kansas-Leeds assembly,(Not Baltimore or even the one from Fremont,Ca.( for Belair62 )),may help explain it's quirks.
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Can someone explain this AVO 227 on this tag please. Thanks, Phil.
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I think it's a reference to a large fleet discount order,but can't prove it right this minute.
This could be pertaining to either the special order paint color,as well as a special 427cid. engine,if the dealership was accepted for more then one. |
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I remember reading about some COPO´s receiving SS-stearingwheels at the factory, so even the "normal" COPO´s had their quirks.
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Yep. That's true as well...
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It is an incredible car either way. It is all about what is was transformed into rather than what it started out as, although I too would like to know.
I have seen a Dick Harrell L78 Camaro that was transformed into an L88 ordered approx the same time as some DH COPOs. Very cool Car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif |
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Valerie received the notarized "Certified true copies" on the documentation on my 1969 DHPC Chevelle this morning (Aug 20, 2009).
I am hopeful to learn more about the 'confirmation' on my car from the DHPC Organization soon! |
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Everyone has very good points here and nothing was set in stone,but among other things,this would be the first Monaco/Hugger Orange colored 427 COPO Chevelle,(not to mention a Kansas-Leeds assembly),that most know of that has 72 72 on it's cowl tag. Others 427 COPO's,(Baltimore assembly),have - - as were considered/assembled as a Malibu. All Monaco/Hugger Orange 69 Chevelle Super Sports I've seen have 72 72,as dictated by Chevrolet. Can anyone lead this topic to a <u>documented</u> 1969 Monaco/Hugger Orange Chevelle Super Sport with - - on its cowl tag,or a 427 COPO w/72 72 on it's cowl tag? [/ QUOTE ] I have a Monaco Orange COPO in the database that is "blank" in the paint code area...no 72, no -, nothing...simply blank. So, I don't think it's quite exact for (at this time) for us to let the paint code dictate the build...rule of thumb, maybe, but it's not an exact science... Also, I have 2 Kansas cars listed that are exactly *opposite* of the rule, with an SS showing "- -" and a COPO showing "72 72"... |
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Cool... So that basically means the paint code on the trim tag doesn't really rule out nor confirm anything. Was that 72-72 COPO at an SCR by chance? I'm almost sure I recall seeing one somewhere. Without a buildsheet or original drivetrain, what other clues on a 69 COPO Chevelle can this guy look for? Surely theres still something that can prove this car is what I believe it is.
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I´m not that sure on Chevelle-facts but wouldn´t certain emblemholes or lack of these in the original fenders, combined with the original SS-hood tell us something ? Or did all 1969 Chevelles have identical fenders (with certain holes) regardless of what engine it was equipped with at the factory ?
Also, the original tailpanel on an SS-car has the SS-trim attached in elongated holes, so a COPO with SS trim would have drilled round holes in the tailpanel. Even if the elongated holes have been welded, I think it would be possible to make something out of it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif |
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"Also, I have 2 Kansas cars listed that are exactly *opposite* of the rule, with an SS showing "- -" and a COPO showing "72 72"..."
Nice Rob But are you saying these two cars are showing this on their cowl tag or paper work? Also,is that COPO a Kansas-Leeds assembled 427 COPO Chevelle? |
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I´m not that sure on Chevelle-facts but wouldn´t certain emblem holes or lack of these in the original fenders, combined with the original SS-hood tell us something ? Or did all 1969 Chevelles have identical fenders (with certain holes) regardless of what engine it was equipped with at the factory ? Also, the original tailpanel on an SS-car has the SS-trim attached in elongated holes, so a COPO with SS trim would have drilled round holes in the tail panel. Even if the elongated holes have been welded, I think it would be possible to make something out of it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif [/ QUOTE ] Rear trim is the same on a COPO/vs. SS with the exception of the SS emblem, but the problem is, this car was likely dressed up as an SS by a previous owner (based on the large "SS" painted on the glass in the OP's first pic) so even if it has holes for SS emblems today, that doesn't convince me they were they were from day 1. Now with that said, if there's no evidence the rear tail panel ever had an SS emblem/holes in the center, I'd say that's a very telling sign. Roger, did the car ever have any emblem of any sort in the center of the tail panel when you bought it new, or just the Chevelle/DH emblems on the deck lid? |
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Cool... So that basically means the paint code on the trim tag doesn't really rule out nor confirm anything. Was that 72-72 COPO at an SCR by chance? I'm almost sure I recall seeing one somewhere. [/ QUOTE ] Yessir...I would be hesitant to say yea/nay based on the paint code alone...as with any statistic, there's always those outlier numbers. I'll have to check my notes about any 72-72 car @ SCR, but they're at the other office, and I may not make it there today...I'm thinking I'll drop by the auto mechanics class this morning at the local high school with some "eye candy"... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif [ QUOTE ] But are you saying these two cars are showing this on their cowl tag or paper work? Also,is that COPO a Kansas-Leeds assembled 427 COPO Chevelle? [/ QUOTE ] Cowl tags on both, build sheet on one (haven't seen it personally yet, though)...and yes, Leeds cars. |
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What does Mark Hassett's orange COPO have on the trim tag? I saw the car mentioned here but don't recall reading anything about his trim tag.
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There were NO SS emblems outside (except the wheel caps) or inside the car & no decals on the engine or air cleaner.
Black stripes on the hood, hood locks, large crossed flags on the front fenders, black tail panel as depicted in the photo shopped picture and a single "Dick Harrell" emblem on the deck lid . . . |
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More documents to Val today . . .
There were no SS emblems in the center of the rear panel - no, nada, nothing . . . One of the previous owners stuck an SS emblem on the grill in front and also an SS 396 emblem in the center of the rear panel - they are now gone ... I've related an incident to certain DHPC folks that occurred during the first 12K miles - while the car was at Bill Allen Chevrolet for warranty work, they banged up the hood, top and rear deck lid (without telling me). They repaired them, repainted with a coat of primer + a coat of orange + black hood stripes (without telling me). I noticed the stripes on the hood were flat black when I picked it up but it didn't register - just thought they gave it a good wash and took all of the wax (I waxed it almost every weekend) off and now it was fresh. About two weeks later, I noticed the black stripes were cracking and the orange on the hood, top and deck lid was doing the same. Took it back, asked the service writer about it - he says "we didn't do that" - I escalated to the shop manager and he says "we had an accident - the hood was laying on the top and slid off - had to repaint it, the top and deck lid"! I was furious but to no avail - they offered to clean it off, furnish me a 'free' rent car and repaint it - I had no choice but to accept. Tonight, I sanded through the cross piece in front of the hood and bingo - multiple layers of paint . . . More confirmation, like the barrel I clipped in Nov 69 and put a flat spot on the LF fender . . . :beers: |
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