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At least someone got some of there tax money back... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif
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got 4500 for my worn out 90 chevy van (my $500 tow vehicle). I got a 20k loaded black ford focus 2 door (17 inch wheels, car has 'everything even satelite radio, subwoofer, etc) with rebates out the door for only 11,800. Atleast I did not reward bailed-out GM and chrysler on this handout program, plus there was no way I would buy a kia or similar. chevy tahoe is now the only tow vehicle I have for trailering. But what a deal (rather than complain, I did the evil deed, and got upgraded on the cheap). This program is really insane. [/ QUOTE ] Your Chevy Van, should have been a a catgory II truck only tradeable on another truck...How did you get a Focus, my man? |
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" What many dealers are doing (this is no surprise) is that they're taking EXISTING used cars on their lots, changing the dates they were traded in (an unethical used car dealer, who would have thought? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif) and submitting the forms to get $4500 per car. Then the dealer keeps all the money. Gee, another well thought out plan. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/stupid.gif" I saw evidence of this firsthand yesterday at the junkyard. There was a very nice 95 Dodge Ram Van sitin in the front lot waiting to be processed. It had new tires on it and even still had the dealer used car tag hanging in the window. I'll bet we hear about the scams related to this "idea" for a long time. |
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[ QUOTE ] got 4500 for my worn out 90 chevy van (my $500 tow vehicle). I got a 20k loaded black ford focus 2 door (17 inch wheels, car has 'everything even satelite radio, subwoofer, etc) with rebates out the door for only 11,800. Atleast I did not reward bailed-out GM and chrysler on this handout program, plus there was no way I would buy a kia or similar. chevy tahoe is now the only tow vehicle I have for trailering. But what a deal (rather than complain, I did the evil deed, and got upgraded on the cheap). This program is really insane. [/ QUOTE ] Your Chevy Van, should have been a a catgory II truck only tradeable on another truck...How did you get a Focus, my man? [/ QUOTE ] The van did not rule out the focus. Believe it or not, when you do one of these deals, you have to show over 1 yr of insurance (who keeps the previous insurance card, I had to dig for mine and found them), 1 year of registrations (ford wanted 2 yrs to be safe), and the new car has to be in the same name. At present, I am not sure its that easy to get approval unless your paperwork is perfect. I have seen people taking a car before their approval is in (assuming some financial risk). I can see a dealer putting their trade-in on the lot until that approval comes in. If the paperwork never gets approved, and you have to return the new car, the dealer atleast tested the waters on your trade in. They wanted me to do same, and I said no way, no approval, then I am not taking the car. Maybe there is a reason some clunker cars appear for sale for a while out there (people taking new cars before approvals come in). |
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A good Ins Agent would have printed cards for you.
I gave one of my insureds two years of ID cars for his truck. The next day the salesman calls me from the dealership he was getting the car from. He tells me to type up a paper with the VIN# of his truck ,the pol # & the dates for his Insurance. I explained to him that's what the cards were for!! They had ALL the info the Govt. Needed. I asked him if he had a type writer , he said no I explained I didn't either. I asked him to call me back when he knew for sure what they NEEDED. I haven't heard from him. That was 6 days ago. My insured has his new car!! GO FIGURE. Another great Govt. program. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif |
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After what GM and Chrysler did to their dealers it will take allot more than $4,500.00 before I walk into one of their showrooms again.
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-----Well,,,You not going into a showroom will definetly solve the problem allright.......Bill S
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So far,auto buyers in the U.S. have signed contracts to trade in <u>358,851</u> clunkers for new vehicles,stimulated in large part by government rebates of up to $4,500.
AP reports that most of the trade ins have been pickups/SUVs. And what are they driving off the lots in exchange? 1. Toyota Corolla 2. Honda Civic 3. Ford Focus 4. Toyota Camry 5. Toyota Prius 6. Hyundai Elantra 7. Ford Escape (front-wheel-drive) 8. Honda Fit 9. Nissan Versa 10. Honda CR-V (four-wheel-drive) Interestingly,there are 3 Hondas,3 Toyotas & 2 Fords,but no General Motors or Chryslers on the list... |
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So far,auto buyers in the U.S. have signed contracts to trade in 358,851 clunkers for new vehicles,stimulated in large part by government rebates of up to $4,500. AP reports that most of the trade ins have been pickups/SUVs.And what are they driving off the lots in exchange? 1. Toyota Corolla 2. Honda Civic 3. Ford Focus 4. Toyota Camry 5. Toyota Prius 6. Hyundai Elantra 7. Ford Escape (front-wheel-drive) 8. Honda Fit 9. Nissan Versa 10. Honda CR-V (four-wheel-drive) Interestingly,there are 3 Hondas,3 Toyotas & 2 Fords ,but no General Motors or Chryslers on the list... [/ QUOTE ] Don't you remotely think our elected representitives in Government could have forseen all these millions, BILLIONS of out tax dollars going over seas? Don't you think they could have stipulated that at least a percentage of the parts of each automobile be of American origin? Say at least 40%...or say tie the % of the $4500 to % of the car that was of American Heritage? Example: 50% car Of American Heritage parts or assembly.. buyer gets 50% of the $4500...Plus the money would have gone twice as far stimulating twice as many sales , twice as many consumers.And it would reward buyers who bought 'AMERICAN!' Would any of that have made any sense? And how long do you think it took an uneducated jerk like me to come up with a common sense idea like that...5 min maybe? So not only would we be gain some fuel efficiency [who really cares anyway?] we would have at least have been stimulating some AMERICAN jobs!! |
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Jim, The morons gave the banking system billions with NO stipulations at all. Please vote them all out.
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Jim, The morons gave the banking system billions with NO stipulations at all. Please vote them all out. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, last September-October President Bush ordered Henry Paulson and Ben Bernanke to quickly rush 474 billion to the big banks and Paulson slyly tried to get it no strings attached and no oversight. Yes, we did vote then out. Well, Bernanke is still around. I heard the GM chairman say today that cash for clunkers was the most successful government stimulus ever. |
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Bill,check to see who voted that in.
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Don't worry Kim, everyone is on your side! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
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So I'm just in getting my morning coffee at Cumberland Farms, and I see two different guys I know who own mechanic shops talking crying about the economy.
So i go over and start to whine about the 'clunker bill' and they say ... 'what about us? Who do you think have been keeping those 300,000 cars ]clunkers] running? Now they are just gone...crushed...my shop is EMPTY.' So I think there are a lot of folks hurt by this deal...the trickle down has yet to be felt by many... |
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I guess those mechanics weren't doing a very good job if the cars they were maintaining were considered clunkers by their owners!
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I guess those mechanics weren't doing a very good job if the cars they were maintaining were considered clunkers by their owners! [/ QUOTE ] That’s not the entire picture. And therefore it’s an erroneous statement. Simply put, a car can run well mechanically but still have a poor fuel economy rating. Also a mechanically” fit” car can still have very little economic value. These two examples can be considered clunkers regardless of the mechanics ability. |
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What's going to happen to new car sales over the next few months? We've just encouraged every person who remotely thinking about buying a car to purchase one NOW! We have become spoiled and shortsighted as a country. Our Kids will be paying for these mistakes their entire life.m
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I wouldn't be surprised if this country see's a big surge in deliquent new car loan payments over the next few years.
Watch many of those 358,851 put their barely broken in new fuel efficient vehicles they just bought,up for sale too.All because many who really could't afford a new car in the first place,rushed to take advantage of this limited rebate offer. They're already speculating that this years Holiday shopping season could be the weakest known to mankind.Due to,among other things,people scraped to find the means to purchase a new vehicle when they really shouldn't of,and may have exhausted most of their X-mas cash. I hope this isn't the case.. |
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If you look at the price of the new car and remove the junker credit less and dealer discounts and then any rebates the loan ballance will be less in many cases than the monthly repairs on some junkers. As tight as the lending is with banks on car loans today I would say most of the loans will be just fine, and if they lease it must be for 60 months so the payment is even less.
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I was browsing the clunker lot for the first time yesterday and found this*.
http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto...-main_Full.jpg *file photo of sistership, I left the camera home https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif |
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Hmmm where did we see this before...oh yeah the home loans people buying homes and cars they cannot afford.
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...It would also be interesting to se ...What percent of these NEW car purchases..were for "American made autos"
...and what percent were "Foreign made" ...follow the money https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif |
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...It would also be interesting to se ...What percent of these NEW car purchases..were for "American made autos" ...and what percent were "Foreign made" ...follow the money https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif [/ QUOTE ] Toyota led the field in sales during the program. But, they do build some Toyotas in the US so it ain't all bad. I read that one of the foreign manufacturers brought back 3,000 employees to full-time status at a plant in Alabama (I think) so there's a small boost to American jobs right there. I had my Camaro out for a drive a couple of hours ago and the local Chevy dealership looked like it had been picked almost clean of new cars and trucks. Saw their clunker trade-ins stuffed on the far end of the lot too. Almost makes me wish I had a clunker to trade in on a new pickup. |
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From a Master Certified Mechanic, I find this statement more leaning to Owners too cheep to pay to play... Have seen it every day of my life..In the dealearships, we call them the " if its not free, its not for me" People.Just fix what is under warentee... But thats my own personal opinion.. We have to get off our butts and do the right thing and keep our $ here...And Omama isnt it-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I guess those mechanics weren't doing a very good job if the cars they were maintaining were considered clunkers by their owners! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That’s not the entire picture. And therefore it’s an erroneous statement. Simply put, a car can run well mechanically but still have a poor fuel economy rating. Also a mechanically” fit” car can still have very little economic value. These two examples can be considered clunkers regardless of the mechanics ability. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It wasn't even an erroneous statement, it was clearly meant as a joke, therefore it is a joke statement. |
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I stopped at a dealership in Austin yesterday to look at the Clunkers and there were some very nice used cars with "clunker" written on the window. The salesperson said that there are lots of potential buyers interested in these cars, but they can't be sold. It hurts the used car market very much.
I mean, there were some decent cars in nice shape that people traded in. Some had good tires and wheels, interiors in nice shape, lots of good body panels. What a shame to crush these cars. Can they pull wheels and tires off them even? How about hoods, fenders or interior parts? |
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I thought they had to have the engines destroyed but that they could be used for parts. I haven't read that they had to be crushed. Maybe I missed that somewhere.
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I think the Govt is making the rules along the way. Whatever fits at the time. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
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I think the Govt is making the rules along the way. Whatever fits at the time. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, the gov't has never done that before! |
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I've heard that they can remove wheels and tires for parts.
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[ QUOTE ] I think the Govt is making the rules along the way. Whatever fits at the time. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, the gov't has never done that before! [/ QUOTE ] Reminds me of this dity posted on CP last week.. Young Chuck, moved to Texas and bought a Donkey from a farmer for $100.00. The farmer agreed to deliver the Donkey the next day. The next day he drove up and said, 'Sorry son, but I have some bad news, the donkey died.' Chuck replied, 'Well, then just give me my money back.' The farmer said, 'Can't do that. I went and spent it already.' Chuck said, 'Ok, then, just bring me the dead donkey.' The farmer asked, 'What ya gonna do with him? Chuck said, 'I'm going to raffle him off.' The farmer said, You can't raffle off a dead donkey!' Chuck said, 'Sure I can Watch me.. I just won't tell anybody he's dead.' A month later, the farmer met up with Chuck and asked, 'What happened with that dead donkey?' Chuck said, 'I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at two dollars a piece and made a profit of $898.00.' The farmer said, 'Didn't anyone complain?' Chuck said, 'Just the guy who won. So I gave him his two dollars back.' Chuck now works for the government. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif ~ Pete |
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Wait till you see the cash for clunkers line on the new 1040 where it lines the amount up under INCOME, be prepared for paying tax on the C For C amount
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Bingo!...I was waiting to see who would recognize that.
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