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And heres the plate before i sent it to the Tag Dr.

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Went to DMV today to have my plates re issued. For those who would like to know what to bring in order to be prepared here is what I went through .

A) Bring in both plates that you are going to have re-issued
B) Make sure one has the model year of your car reg sticker showing . In my case 1969 ( I may be able to help if someone needs one)
C) If existing plates on car are generic bring them in too. If they are personalized then you can keep those
D) Bring in current insurance on vehicle
C) Bring in current registration
E) They want a Xerox copy of the plate so if you can do that yourself or scan it and print this will also save you some time. Took the clerk 10 min and 8 copies to get one she liked. She came back and went through all 8 copies.
F) Don’t forget your drivers license. I saw a few people not be able to produce their license when asked.

Here are the forms you will need . Form REG352 is the YOM application . You will also use this same form , but a separate copy, for a “ Release of Interest” from the previous plate owner if the plates are not cleared or out of the DMV system.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg352.pdf

I was also requested to fill out a “ Statement of Facts” DMV form REG256 .

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg256.pdf

I filled out the top of the backside of the form with my current Lic plate number , VIN and year and make info then used the section G on the backside and typed the following . Signed the bottom , section H .

“ I would like to re assign plate ###### to my 1969 Camaro . The plate is a black and yellow California plate that is period correct for my car . “


Being DMV these procedures may differ. The DMV clerk sitting next to the lady helping me looked at me and shook his head as if to say , “ why is she making that so hard? She doesn’t know what she is doing” . So be prepared

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Man, I sure don't miss the CA DMV, not to mention their fees!

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Does anyone have a 68 sticker I could buy? I have the plates but took off all the stickers some time ago.

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There are plenty on ebay, prices are based on condition. They peel these off from old plates, these license plate dealers have been waiting a long time for this! Ebay tags

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Thank you hit the ol buy it now

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I went to the DMV in West Covina, CA this morning to get the Black plates reassigned to my 69 Z. The plates were the ones that were on the car when I pulled it from a backyard in West Covina, CA 10 years ago. They didnt seem to be concerned with the sequential issue of plates, in that plates with the letter sequence starting with the letters X, Y, and Z were correct for a 1969 year model car. They were only concerned with the condition of the plates and that the approriate year registration sticker was present.

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Trying to JOG my memory here...

As I recall, Black Plates in California for the Year 1969 started in the "X - - 123" ( <---EXAMPLE) alpha timeline.

Ill have to go take a look again at my friend's August 1968 VN Z28 and reread his plates again but he started his titling here in California back in September, 1968 for his car and his start with the " X " alpha.

" Y " alpha beginnings were around October/November 1968. I do not recall when they ended.

" Z " alpha started I think in around April/May 1969.

My PaceCar sat for a while before it was sold new and it came with Blue California plates. I think it was around January, 1970 that it sold and titled and received the Blue.
Those Plates started with the numerals followed by an " A " alpha. (Example : 123 Axx )

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I am trying to remember here.......

The Z plates may have started earlier than what I have posted.

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The Z plates may have started earlier than what I have posted.

For what it's worth. I was released from active duty from the Navy May 4 1970.
I moved up to Ingelwood near LAX and sometime that first few weeks of May I got Cali plates on my car, ZZA 219. Does that sound about right ? When were the last black plates used up ?

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"I was released from active duty from the Navy May 4 1970." https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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The Z plates may have started earlier than what I have posted.

For what it's worth. I was released from active duty from the Navy May 4 1970.
I moved up to Ingelwood near LAX and sometime that first few weeks of May I got Cali plates on my car, ZZA 219. Does that sound about right ? When were the last black plates used up ?

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ZZA is getting down to the end, in theory the highest sequence would have been ZZZ 999,so May 70 is well within reason. Like Warren stated,there were blue plates in circulation in the fall of 69 far before the official DMW release date of 7/70. People buying new would receive there plates directly from DMV,while branch offices also issued them for all other purposes(lost,stolen,registering from out of state etc)

Y&Z are the predominant sequence for 69 MY vehicles, but in some very rare cases like on your freinds sept built and my oct 68 car they have X series. I have only seen one other original X plate 69, would love to see what your freinds sept car was. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Here is a pic of a car I onced owned. I bought from the original owners family. Its a ZVX plate. I had the original title and the car was first registered on 10/9/69.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...Picture042.jpg

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My Trans Am was first registered 9/15/69.

http://www.carbuffs.com/taplateframe.jpg

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I'm getting the original '63-issue black plates for my '55 restored as we speak. I can't wait to see them! My Camaro didn't have its original black plates when I bought it but I scored a DEAD MINT matched pair of '67 CA plates with 67, 68, and 69 stickers on the rear plate. They were take-offs in '69 and stored. I got them before the YOM plate hype hit eBay and paid, wait for it, .... $29 bucks for the pair. It's okay to hate me. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Y&Z are the predominant sequence for 69 MY vehicles, but in some very rare cases like on your freinds sept built and my oct 68 car they have X series. I have only seen one other original X plate 69, would love to see what your freinds sept car was. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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He lives about 2 miles from me, has ALL of the paperwork from when he bought it from the dealer.

Ill let you know ASAP!

Pretty thick stack, if I recall correctly.

His is a LOS built Daytona Yellow RS/Z with NO Cowl Induction , as ordered!

Even the paint is original and has the correct stencil stripes around the Camaro emblem on the trunk.

Chambered Exhuast is still on it!

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I have an XON plate on a 68.5 428 CJ Mustang built May 2 1968. Would venture to say it was tagged right away because it was a special (delete) paint code car. Hope that helps

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Here is an early 1969 X license plate. A 1968 photo of a very early 1969 SS, judging by the front stripe. Don't know what O.J. is holding in his hand. [image]http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r...KLYSS/OJ69.jpg[/image]

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Now he's making plates!

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Here's something that I found online posted somewhere:

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...maroYOW597.jpg

California Black Plates and built in Van Nuys on Dec.23,1968,vin # 124379Lxxxx

So, IF you are looking at this as I am, X to YOW really moved quickly from late September to December!

If a 3-4 month shift in plate alpha's moved this quickly, a ZAA000 could have occured around late March???

Hope this helps....

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... So, IF you are looking at this as I am, X to YOW really moved quickly from late September to December!

If a 3-4 month shift in plate alpha's moved this quickly, a ZAA000 could have occured around late March???

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I had a '69 Z that was bought new in Santa Barbara, CA on 4/4/69 and the plate was YXB405. Pretty close to the end of the Y series. YXAxxx was also used in Santa Barbara. I remember YBFxxx and YBGxxx also being used in the same town.

-Jon

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It's not easy to define, so much going on at that time. The inversed blue base were being issued well in advance of the official 7/70 release date, and to compound the whole deal 69 camaro production was (i think) possibly the longest of any model, running from aug 68 to dec 69.

The build date wasn't as telling as the initial registration date. That car was built 12/23, but it could have sat on the lot for months. I have seen all original 69 camaros with blue base,in some cases they were late 69 builds,others weren't initially titled until well into 1970. My Z was a built 10-19, and first sold 11-30-68. I would guesstimate 90% of 68 MY cars were W or X alpha sequence, with a few early builds being V,and the bulk of 69's being Y & Z..a very few being X and on the backside a few blues sprinkled in. My 70 T/A was a VN build, sold 1 mile down the blvd at prestige pontiac in may 70 and was 163 BQT.

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California <font color="blue">BLUE</font> Plates....

Yes I agree with this statement.

I know the exact license plate info for my Camaro because I have it on some documents.

My car was built in Feb/March 1969 and didnt sell until 1970.

I am rather certain it sat on the showroom floor at a Porterville, California showroom.

The original owner verified what my Camaro came with when I found him and spoke with him.

He stated the 1970 purchase date.

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Here is another example:

1969 Camaro LM1

VIN: 124379L511946




http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...maroXFM863.jpg

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Interesting.. that car is some 5k units after mine,yet second character(F)is much earlier than mine(M).I would postulate this has something to do with the whole NorCal/So Cal series plates, of which I am clueless..
Noticed the Anchor tag,and Courtesy frames. Can't see the top but assuming it's San Jose as opposed to the San Diego dealership- they sold quite few cars to navy personel due to their proximity to the base.
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I believe that each office had a supply of plates to work with

"back east" you used to be able to tell what county the plates were issued from based on the prefix letters. I assume each office was given a large supply of plates to issue from and there must have been some sort of "regional" issuing office that serviced all the dealers in their "territory" that is why you will see some plates with a "later" letter prefix that may have been issued before and earlier prefix

best guess here

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Yes, I am sure that this is the case.

I'd go into local DMV offices around me, which there are several of, and they had drawers where the plates were in limited stacks; probably rotated and supplied in an as needed basis.

California is a large state, of course, and I can only assume that they were shipping boxes of these to DMV offices in no random order as they were being supplied.

Trying to get some general proximity to VIN/Build dates for those who locate plates they wish to reissue to their cars!
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Noticed the Anchor tag,and Courtesy frames. Can't see the top but assuming it's San Jose as opposed to the San Diego dealership- they sold quite few cars to navy personel due to their proximity to the base.

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NAS Moffet Field was very close to San Jose so that's probably where that base sticker (anchor sticker) originated. NAS Alameda was the next closest base and it was next to Oakland--or perhaps Hunters Point Naval Shipyard over near Candlestick Park on the SF side.

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Here is another example:

1969 Camaro LM1

VIN: 124379L511946




http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...maroXFM863.jpg

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Received this from the owner:

1969 Camaro LM1 option. TH350 trans, and 12 bolt multi leaf rear end.

LM1 Coding:

5LM1AA (This is a 255HP-350CI Build!)
5M40QA (TH-350 ? Transmission install.)
5F41AB (Special-Purpose Suspension)

This one states being sold on December 19'th, 1968.

12A build date on the COWL TAG and an F348 build date sequence.

I am GUESSING that the F represents December, and it's the 348'th unit built that month.

Funny thing, that my PaceCar is a G series and having a later Month build.

Tells me my Car was a slow build based upon the special order.

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Here is another example:

1969 Camaro LM1

VIN: 124379L511946




http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...maroXFM863.jpg

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Last Add:

Received this from the owner:

1969 Camaro LM1 option. TH350 trans, and 12 bolt multi leaf rear end.

LM1 Coding:

5LM1AA (This is a 255HP-350CI Build!)
5M40QA (TH-350 ? Transmission install.)
5F41AB (Special-Purpose Suspension)

This one states being sold on December 19'th, 1968.

12A build date on the COWL TAG and an F348 build date sequence.

I am GUESSING that the F represents December, and it's the 348'th unit built that month.

Funny thing, that my PaceCar is a G series and having a later Month build.

Tells me my Car was a slow build based upon the special order.

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Just a geuss,but I think the alpha code preceeding the three digit # on the trim tag represents the day of the month the body was built. That car is a 12A,"F" would be the 7th of the month. My car was a 10C,it's an "S" and that would equate to the 19th.

LM1,the poor man's COPO!

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I was referring in general terms on the F being in December of that month.

I didnt look it up, but I agree with you!

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Found a guy locally who restores California License Plates from 1929 to late 1970's.

He said "No Problem" with 60's <font color="black"> BLACK </font> Plates as well as "No Problem" doing the 70's <font color="blue"> BLUE </font> Plates.

Any Metal repair will have additional charges respectively as needed per plate repair requested.

PM me and I can forward his info to you!

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Ray Ray?

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Has anyone that had thier black plates reassigned received anything back in the mail from DMV yet?? I had mine reassigned the 1st week of July, and received a pink window tag that expires the end of this month. As of today, no paperwork from DMV with a registration card of anything....

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I did my plates on the second day and still have not received the tags. I have a number of freinds that did their plates with in the first/second week and have not received anything. If anyone receives their tags please post on the site.
Thanks,
Dave L.
SoCal

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I read on another site that the DMV is WAY behind on the new YOM program.

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Got 2 more to add to the mix :

124379L510865

Cal Black Plates : XTY 659
12-06-1968 Sale

69 12437 LOS198064
723 65 V483

Kinda hard to guess the build date without having more trim Tag info from this one.
Need more VINs to compare to but I assume this is a last week OCT build date.

Next car :

1969 Camaro 124379L500xxx

09A on the trim tag

Cal Black Plates XOL 721

Appears that there are 10,000 VINs between "O" &amp; "T" if you are following just GM thru Van Nuys.
Maybe every 2500 VINs changed Alpha in the timeline....all just a guess here but something to follow if you are trying to look for a specific Black Plate to build time for your car.

Hope this is helpful.
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I just did some calculations, and as we all know, there were alot of cars sold in California in 1969.
As I was calculating out the movement of Alpha used, "Y" thru "Z" was really moving along at almost twice or more thru the 1969 year as plates were assigned to ALL cars in this state.

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Here's a weird one on ebay. An 02C car with a WCR plate. That should be a 68 car. Link: 69 Z/28

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Here's a weird one on ebay. An 02C car with a WCR plate. That should be a 68 car. Link: 69 Z/28

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That is unusual.

WCR 473

That car is VIN'd and Built way later than what that Black Plate should be to it.

Only thing that I could assume would be that it was tagged at a Calif DMV that had those plates sitting or were returned, never used, and assigned to this car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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"Car is currently registered in California and I have a clear California title in my name"

And along with his white reflectorized plates he will throw in the perfectly aged patina one's that are staged on the car. Nice try, and if not in the system they theoretically could be assigned..but this alpha sequence was initially issued to some vehicle around a year before this Z was built.

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Nice catch, I ran the WCR plates and they are not registered. Calling this Camaro a "Survivor" is blasphemy. I guess "rust free" means he is not charging for the rust I see all over the car https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif