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Re: Pittsburgh Convention Center Floor Collapse!

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...Just another humble midwest opinion; "The Pro-Street, Pro-Touring, Bling-Bling, Whatever-comes-next movement all have their days, but a correctly restored car will always be in demand somewhere!"

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... 'cept at WoW https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif I wanted to go to the P-burgh show only because of it's proximity to Canonsburg. We were hoping some folks would walk by who had seen/bought/driven deuces back in the day. We weren't lucky this year. We were wondering what happened to the Canonsburg show, wouldn't mind going there if the show is still on.

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"The Pro-Street, Pro-Touring, Bling-Bling, Whatever-comes-next movement all have their days, but a correctly restored car will always be in demand somewhere!"

[/ QUOTE ].......I AGREE,....... BUT NO MATTER. {{{ VERY LITTLE }}}//// *** ATTENTION :+++ ....IS EVERY GIVEN THE POOR <<<< CORVAIR >>>> IT'S *** REAL LONELY *** AT '' SHOW'S '' I DO... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif...KASEY

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First off; WOW, am I ever glad this didn't happen when our show (or any other show for that matter) was going on.

I am very sorry to hear that the sYc group did not recieve the respect you have all earned. I know you had a good experience last year, and even took home some great awards. So what happened this year?

I have not been directly involved in the Pittsburg show for the past two years, but when I was, I truly enjoyed working with the Ulanowicz family and I know they were very committed to putting on a great show.

Help me out here....what happened this year?

With any luck, I would like to return to this show and you know if I get involved, the sYc will get the repect you all deserve.

Once again, on behalf of Championship Auto Shows, Inc. please accepy my apologies.

BA

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Can you help us understand the procedure for judging - ie; do circuit cars get a head start? Is it a complimentary 1st place in order to ensure they get the money award to offset their travel costs? How does the second place car win 2x the amount of 1st place detail awards (interior, engine, paint...) but then not win 1st place overall? It's just confusing, and when questioned, those in charge duck the questions by telling people to write a letter! This show can't be a traveling circuit - and - a local show.

From the turnout of cars at the P-burgh WoW show, it's not just these 7 owners who have had enough with it. When they have a new tri-axle dump truck in there to take up space - that should be a really big warning sign. (it wasn't customized either, unless the excavator/owner's name counts!).

I liked the museum tour that Benjamin and I went to, all about P-burgh sports and history. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Knowing Bob Ashton, the ball is already rolling to see what the heck happened...

And I'm sure that if he has anything to do with those shows mentioned...he will "get it right"!

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We have supported the "Burgh's" WoW show since the days they begged for cars. We know the drill and have been doing it for 15 years. Sometimes we have cars judges, sometimes not. If we have a real fresh resto, and it's never been there before we will have it judged. We rarely win, and in the past the restored cars were never really given a venue to show off anyway at a WoW event. If on a rare occasion a traveling ISCA car in restored shows its automatic you will not win no matter what you bring. We just know it and its never been a big deal. Three years ago we showed a fresh gold Yenko Camaro and Dana Nova. One of the guys at the show is a vendor friend of ours who was showing his super GTO in the traveling ISCA. He knew we would be there and would have something strong. He told me he "playes" the ISCA game and installs parts on his GTO he hated just for ISCA points. When he takes the car to the "real" shows he changes the car back to stock. He told us even though we bring killer stuff, we would not win because he travels. He was right. No big deal, but you know its fixed. This year we showcased one car only. And as usual we could not beat the traving circus ride. Was he better? hard to say, but we never saw a judge or even have one approach us during the show. This is not a sour grapes deal, but I'm sick of it. Really totally sick of the ISCA. And we are not alone. The crap that was featured and talked about over the PA was tragic. A stupid "Phantom Caprice" with 30" wheels that didn't even have an interior, just a shell with black out windows..There where others like that, but it takes all kinds at a show. This years car count was way down, and they made a plea for cars. Begged for cars to come out and support the show. After this year I'm done. They really don't care, we are just filler for the show floor. The draw are the celebrities that people come to see. I understand a NASCAR driver, but they bring people in that are non car related stars. That's fine, but why am I here? I guess after all these years it has sunk in. They need cars for a car show, but its really all about the gate and who is getting an autograph from a star, not about the cars we bring...Duh...BKH https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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Sounds just like the Super Chevy Shows...... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

Steve

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Can you help us understand the procedure for judging - ie; do circuit cars get a head start? Is it a complimentary 1st place in order to ensure they get the money award to offset their travel costs? How does the second place car win 2x the amount of 1st place detail awards (interior, engine, paint...) but then not win 1st place overall? It's just confusing, and when questioned, those in charge duck the questions by telling people to write a letter! This show can't be a traveling circuit - and - a local show.

From the turnout of cars at the P-burgh WoW show, it's not just these 7 owners who have had enough with it. When they have a new tri-axle dump truck in there to take up space - that should be a really big warning sign. (it wasn't customized either, unless the excavator/owner's name counts!).

I liked the museum tour that Benjamin and I went to, all about P-burgh sports and history. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Absolutely. I spent 8 years as an ISCA Judge and was directly involved in Judging at the Detroit and Grand Rapids Autorama's along with several other shows.

First off, there is absolutely no rule, written or otherwise giving preferance to "Circuit" cars. What happens is that those who are involved on a regular basis showing the "ISCA Way" know how to play the game and they adjust accordingly in order to win the cash, as you mentioned with your friend who showed his GTO.

As far as staff ducking questions, did you talk to Show Chairman Bob Ulanowicz or Co-Chairman Sean Ulanowicz? Not trying to make excuses, but I know these guys and it is not their style to blow anyone off or tell someone to write a letter.

The ISCA Judging procedure clearly is not set up to accommodate properly restored cars. In fact, a car that is truly restored to as born status would not do well at all on the ISCA circuit. Cars with factory "flaws", as in orange peel or low gloss in paint, runs, etc and everything else that truly represents the way they really were, would mean lost points. Since the basis for the judging is cleanliness and attention to detail, restoring a car to true "as born" status would obviously go against what the ISCA rulebook calls for.

Since it is virtually impossible to put together a judging staff that would be truly knowledgable in all of the potential makes shown, this is how the ISCA judges all vehicles. Indexed bolts, ultra shiny (as in far better then ever left the factory) paint, lack of factory undercoating etc etc would be pluses under ISCA judging. Obviously, this is not the case with properly restored cars and any type of concours or similiar judging procedures.

As far as the Tri-Axle Dump truck...hmmm, since I didnt see it, I am not sure what was up with that. The Pittsburg show has always been a good show for us and when I was there several years ago, a great show.

Sorry to highjack this thread and as always, in the interest of having a long lasting career in this field, I am always open to comments good or bad, as I strive to improve our shows, whether I am physically there or not. There is no future for my job if we don't have shows to produce!

It is indeed a dufferant way of judging and as I often say, not for everyone. I personally feel there is a bit too much subjectivity, I mean, maybe you like red and I like purple...so which one is better? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Thanks/BA

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Knowing Bob Ashton, the ball is already rolling to see what the heck happened...

And I'm sure that if he has anything to do with those shows mentioned...he will "get it right"!

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Thanks for the kind words; you know I'm not the type to sit on my hands!