Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

Pretty up-front presentation---looks like a solid L78/Nova-just ask the right questions---JoeG

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

The internet has been great for the car hobby in many ways but if you sell one one the internet you open yourself up to nit picking. I happen to know a fair amount about Novas just because I've had the great pleasure of owning a few. I know if I was about to purchase a 1970 Boss Mustang off ebay I would thank anyone who might point out something that might need a closer look because I know nothing about Fords. By the same token if I were selling a Mustang and not doing a good job of representing it because of ignorance on my part I would appreciate input from a real Ford guy. It would help me inform prospetive buyers of any problems the car might have. I would welcome someone else putting my cars under a microscope. First of all it would give me a chance to talk cars,[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] second if they could point out something good or bad about it would be that much more I'd know about Novas. I never called the guy a liar or said his momma wore combat boots I just was trying to point out a few questions a beginning car entusist might want to ask. I would want the same done for me [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
55chevy It is Wayne's old car here is a link to a few more pics http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrow...elected=178010 and if you have any comments about any of my stuff (good or bad) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img] I'd love to here them. Mark

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

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Ok now it is my turn even though the car is not mine and I have no clue who the owner is.

1. Where in the description did it say that the car is as correct as the factory built it and why all the nit picking of individual options?

2. Why all the suspision about the documentation on the car? The owner seemed up front about showing a copy of the build sheet and the GM of Canada paperwork. You could always submit for new GM Canada paperwork before the auction ends if you are that serious right?

3. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO FIND A REAL L78 DRIVER QUALITY NOVA FOR A RESERVE PRICE OF $16,000?????? HELLO!!!!!!!!

Oh, that is only 3 things not 8 or what ever # you had...........Man what is it with people on this site bashing other peoples cars?????????? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif[/img] Nothing bothers me more than when the "Diamond Certification" judges on this site come out and start bashing some guys car that isn't even here to defend himself about it not being correct when the person isn't even claiming it to be or even wanting it to be for that matter.

Rob I have a request. The next person that bashes another guys car should be REQUIRED to have his car/cars put under a microscope for all to ANALize and critique and see how he takes it. Oh and by the way this is just MY humble opinion.

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Frank and all,
Good morning. The numbered comments on the list that Mark (lowmile) posted about that Nova were mine from another website. That auction caught my eye, and so did the inconsistancies that were observed.

Like many folks on here who take an active interest (and often a microscope) to any potential COPO/Yenko/Motion/etc that surfaces, there are several Nova enthusiasts who do the same - especially when a car advertised as an SS or original BB car shows up. They are limited in availability, and often the owners command larger dollars for them.

For someone seriously wanting one, it's a good idea to make sure they get what they pay for. Like the COPO's, there are more buyers than real cars available. For most folks, money doesn't come easy, so we have to be careful how we spend it. Making sure something is actually what it is represented is part of the process in evaluating the value to the individual. Since I'm enthusiastic about Novas, I like to see how many are what they are advertised to be. If we happen to be talking about a particular car and the questions come up, I'll post my comments.


On the Nova site, the end result of the discussions about cars that appear is that the people who are seriously looking for a real car get an education on various things to investigate when the opportunity arises to check one out.


One of the things that is mentioned here often is teaching people about the attributes to look for to help determine if something is the real deal or not. I read discussions like that all the time about potential Dana or Motion cars that someone is going to investigate. I also read about various Ebay cars that become several pages of discussion material (like that infamous burnished brown '69 Camaro, or the occasional Yenko Deuce).

Anyway, moving on....

Regarding my qualifications for making comments like that, I have none. I just simply have a passion for the 68-72 Novas. No Diamond Certified judges here.

Since I posted the comments, I'll offer up my Nova for scrutiny. Please see the link below and knock yourself out.

http://community.webshots.com/album/37279735mrCcfe

It is just a scrappy ol' driver with a third-rate paint job. It's not mint, not restored (needs to be though!), neesd some work, but it's mine and I like it.

However, feel free to make your comments and don't worry about offending. It's only fair, since I felt free to post my comments about that Ebay Nova.

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

Well said Mark and Allen, the scrutiny is only to help educate and ensure that someone gets what they pay for - it's not bashing the owner [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

I will have to agree with Marlin and others on this one. This is not bashing. Why? 1. any time you offer up a car for sale, you open the door for such scrutiny, 2. it appears that what was said about the car is true, as no one has stated otherwise, 3. I do not believe in the theory(s) "buyer beware", let the car "speak for itself", as I would appreciate help identifing problem areas if I were the one getting ready to drop several $$$ on the car, and I think any one else in that situation would fell the same. Better now, then when the new owner comes rolling into Vettefest, or some other show, thinking he has the "best of show", only then finding out "the rest of the story". Talk about getting ugly real fast!

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

Lowmile... I appreciated your comments on the Car and saw them as informative. I didn't get the feeling you were trying to bash the car, just making us aware of some very substantial things that were wrong with it. I guess if it were advertised with a Tunnel Ram like it apparently used to have I would almost expect all the stuff wrong that you pointed out. But now it has a appearance of a Stock type Car so those things are not expected and come as a suprise and I'm glad they were pointed out.

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

I would still question the GM of Canada documentation. It doesn't look like the paperwork I have on a car. I thought it looked like one heck of a deal for a real L78 car that looks that good. I would definitely want help from some Nova experts or enthusiasts before bidding on the car.

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

I saw a 69 build sheet and under the copo area it said L-78 is the 70 sheet different?? Also the body #s matched the sheet and the trim tag.

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

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I would still question the GM of Canada documentation. It doesn't look like the paperwork I have on a car. I thought it looked like one heck of a deal for a real L78 car that looks that good. I would definitely want help from some Nova experts or enthusiasts before bidding on the car.

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That was one of the points I made. The GM paper just doesn't look like others I've seen, nor is it as complete (with tranny information, etc.)



Marlin and Tom,
Thank you for your comments.



To appreciate the full perspective, you need to see the pictures from when this car was listed previously with the tunnel ram, lowered stance, different parts, and more. However, they've been removed from the original ebay auction.

It was also listed from the same dealer, but with a different Ebay ID (bcmusclecars vs. bcmusclecarz). Having seen both auctions, the first impression is that someone couldn't sell it lowered and with a tunnel ram, and decided to slap it together as stock looking as possible to make turning it a little easier.


For the curious people, here is the original auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...;category=6172


Here is the current auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2437174251

I know some of you also visit the Nova board. Our whole discussion is over there. The bottom line, as was acknowledged previously, is that our intention is primarily educational - not "bashing".

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

Kim;
The '70 broadcast sheets did not have the engine rpo code on them like the '69's did. I have seen some '69 sheets where the L78 engine code gets printed in the COPO box, but it's usually a mis aligned form, or something like that. Now, if it's a '68 sheet - that might be different!