Re: Fastest Musclecar?
 

Joe, question is, that would be a dealer built car would it not? I mean delivered thru the dealer with all the dealers of that automaker having the ability to recieve one, and also sanctioned by the automaker. I believe the Motion cars to be availible thru Motion, were they not? Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

Re: Fastest Musclecar?
 

Just to clarify, the Dart [and hemi Cudas] came with fiberglass fenders & hood, and, "thin" [not acid dipped] doors. The one shock tower was relocated, but, professionally done.

Re: Fastest Musclecar?
 

Sixties, I hate to disagree, but the hood was fiberglass, fenders were light steel, and the shock towers were hammered. My brother worked there when the Darts were built and I bought mine from the owner of the company, Don Leith.
Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

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I stand corrected on one issue, I just called my brother who informed me the first five had dipped fenders and the other 50 had fiberglass. Seems the fiberglass fenders were not shipped to Hurst for the beggining of production something to do with a problem with the molds, so Hurst sent out the fenders on the first five built and had them dipped. But the shock towers were hammered. When I bought mine from the owner it was the first one built that he had kept for quite awhile, my friend still owns the car to this day. Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

Re: Fastest Musclecar?
 

I think we should check the 63 Ford Thunderbolt. I am almost sure that the 68 Hemi Darts or Cudas didn't run in the 10's from the factory. The SS/A or SS/AA record wasn't even 10:50's in 68. Even in drag trim they didn't go that fast. I am not sure I could consider those true street cars either. The 427 corvettes and the 427 camaro's were very hard to beat with tires. The Thunderbolt was as much a production car as the Hemi Darts and Cudas, which wasn't much. I would LOVE to own one though!!!

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This is getting better by the minute! Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

Re: Fastest Musclecar?
 

Weren't the Hemi Darts built at Demmer Tool and Die? Same place that built the Hurst Olds, the Super Stock AMC cars, striped some of the Yenko Deuces, and did a bunch of other low volume cars.

Re: Fastest Musclecar?
 

Anyone have a list of all the factory built racers with e.t.'s out of the box ? SD Pontiacs,Hemi Darts,Thunderbolts,Z11's etc. MM...you opened this box now get to work !!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

Re: Fastest Musclecar?
 

I would say the 68 Hemi Dart/Cuda's as well, but the point of a factory built is in question as noted before.I don't believe it was a production car or sold as such.Note the disclaimer put on all cars produced.I don't recall if the body's/mods were ever DOT aproved in 68.Only NHRA sanctioned/approved. Hurst is a lot like Motion for a comparison sake.Big difference is the Mopars were sold thru or by Chrysler not Hurst.Kind of like Demmer Eng. and the Olds.Converted by Demmer,returned to Olds and sold thru Olds.I feel they were a type of factory assy. subcontracted by GM or Mopar.I feel the gray area in the Mopar camp is if they were ever sold to be street legal and licensed as such in 68.In my opinion they were the fastest,baddest cars in A/S (?) then and now.......Oh yeah,I'll still take a boat load of 454 Vegas....that's really insane.

Ps. I did build a 440 Mopar powered 78 Monza..those cars Rock and Roll with any Big Block. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]


Steve

Re: Fastest Musclecar?
 

How about the infamous ZL1's? They were real fast for the first 200miles then with the incredible amount of cyclinder leakage they lost about 20% of their power. Sutliff Chevy in Harrisburg, Pa. had at least 2 complete motors stored in the back of their garage for years, they replaced some of the ZL1 motors with iron block 427's, for their customers. Very hard to beat the chevy's back then! I would still stick with the big block vette or camaro. Sam