"The criminals have more rights than we (the, law abiding, common citizen) do".
"We in Canada/America, are pretty much hogtied in regards to defending our property. Just think how futile and stupid that actually sounds.

All I want to know, is, how did we get to this point? What wizards approved this sort of reality?"

Actually, as Rick just stated, WE DO KNOW and it piss's us off just as much. Apparently we elected the jack asses who think this is the way our fore-Fathers envisioned us to be by now.
I heard all the same stuff in class about how I can now be arrested for having a CCW and a gun in my vehicle if I'M assaulted and even just show it as a deterrent for the assailant to leave...WTF !!??

"Canada/America is still a great place but she is changing fast, and not for the better."
We're all singing the same song, my friend. Let's hope we can both find a way back to sanity and safety....maybe after our next respective elections.

I earned my first black belt in 1985. The reasonable force component of the law was in place then (had to attend a seminar on the topic that was run by a Hamilton cop).

We are having weekly car and home thefts on my neighborhood and have had a number of armed home invasions - the most recent was last month 2 streets away from my place. All of us are fortifying our homes to make them harder to break into. It is a sad state of affairs.

Here is a Toronto lawyer discussing the self defense laws in Canada. He gets most points…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xolys_2hl4

Rick; I know it varies greatly from state to state. Fortunately, here in OK, we have a "make my day" law that is even stronger than Florida's "stand your ground". Once the bastard is in my house illegally, it's virtually open season.

Wait till all the facts come out.Everybody is acting on hearsay and rumors in this case.

I find it hard to believe that this topic has been posted here ??

Lynn .. look at your saying on your every posting. "Don't believe everything you read on the internet"

X2.

No extra 2 for instigating ...?

Defensive Shooting...
 

While the situation for application of deadly force is much better than north of the border...there are certain states [as Rick pointed out] that tend to side with the bad guys.

In New York we have a duty to retreat outside of the home...in your home it is different, but you still need to show great restraint before acting. Basically exhaust all possible options. Our penal law section #35 deals with this topic and is required training for any new CCW application.

A great source for gun laws for the US is handgunlaw.us excellent website and well organized information.

It shouldn't be this way...but, this is the world we live in.

Lock and load...

There are plenty of places to discuss stuff like this, I don't think this community is one of them.