Re: Restamping blocks??????????????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Safe to say RJS isn't an NCRS judge. </div></div>

Surely not, but let me ask does being a NCRS judge make you lose your morals???
Just asking.
Ron

Re: Restamping blocks??????????????
 

This subject or shall I say it's interpretation nowadays is like watching &quot;the Good Wife&quot; bend the truth in court.
Ron

Re: Restamping blocks??????????????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RJS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Numbers Matching and Original Engine/drivetrain do not necessarily have the same meaning. </div></div>

They had better have the same meaning!!! #'s matching only happens with the original born with engine/trans etc...
Anyone that thinks restamping is OK is a Crook period. The only reason a block or trans would be restamped is for profit.
This topic seems to carry different weight in the different camps but it shouldn't.
Ron </div></div>

Ron,

Just replying to the post. Check with the auction house regarding their specific definition of &quot;Numbers Matching&quot;, each major auction a distinct definition and interpretation.

Re: Restamping blocks??????????????
 

69 DZ blocks are firmly in NCRS semantic land, and most auction houses list &quot;#s matching&quot; with consigned cars based solely on sellers description.

&quot;Trust, but verify&quot;
Dutch Reagan

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Numbers matching just plain and simple does not confirm it’s the original engine in today’s world. Dealers typically use the term numbers matching to limit their liability. How about an original engine that was decked and restamped? That’s the original engine, but restamped, it gets very confusing. If you are sure an engine is the original engine, state that it is original and not restamped. You really have to be sure it is and today we’re getting pretty good at telling the fakes from originals. I feel bad for the folks that take numbers matching as confirmation that it is the original engine and not restamped. You have to go farther with your questions and inspection than that.

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IMHO -- &quot;Born with&quot; and &quot;original to the vehicle/car&quot; mean &quot;that's how she came from the factory&quot;. The exception to that is when those (example - Don Yenko) pulled a 396 and stuffed a 427 in its's place. TAZ

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I agree with TAZ, if it states that the drivetrain is the same one that was installed in the car when it was built (born with) you cannot get any more defined than that. One still needs to confirm but at least the author believes it to be.

Re: Restamping blocks??????????????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RJS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This subject or shall I say it's interpretation nowadays is like watching &quot;the Good Wife&quot; bend the truth in court.
Ron </div></div>

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif[/img] ALWAYS REMEMBER Lawyers <span style="text-decoration: underline">are not</span> under oath to tell the truth in the court room.

Re: Restamping blocks??????????????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RJS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Numbers Matching and Original Engine/drivetrain do not necessarily have the same meaning. </div></div>

They had better have the same meaning!!! #'s matching only happens with the original born with engine/trans etc...
Anyone that thinks restamping is OK is a Crook period. The only reason a block or trans would be restamped is for profit.
This topic seems to carry different weight in the different camps but it shouldn't.
Ron </div></div>

Ron,

Just replying to the post. Check with the auction house regarding their specific definition of &quot;Numbers Matching&quot;, each major auction a distinct definition and interpretation. </div></div>


My response has no reflection on you, don't even know you.
I was just saying that the term #'s matching means born with engine. If it has to be spelled out than something shady is going on.
I wouldn't believe an Auction house if they told me a Red car was Red.
Ron

Re: Restamping blocks??????????????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RJS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Safe to say RJS isn't an NCRS judge. </div></div>

Surely not, but let me ask does being a NCRS judge make you lose your morals???
Just asking.
Ron </div></div>

NCRS decided years ago that re stamping components was &quot;part of the restoration process&quot;. That's when the current boondoggle that we're in now began. If you want to blame someone, blame them. NCRS judges only follow the guidelines that are set out for them.