Re: 67 L78 Camaro convertible
 

Born with just takes the wiggle room out!

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Yep, that's what it is Jerry. Just something else the crooks are doing to cheat people out of their cash.

Joe Schmoe says "yup,that there is a originel motor, ain't sure what it's original to, but it's original. He will not state it is the original engine that came in the paticular car you are asking about. Hence, the term "born with" was derived.

Re: 67 L78 Camaro convertible
 

There is no official "Car Guy" dictionary. Some terms are defined in value guides such as NADA or CPI etc.

Courts are often called upon to define terminology in a given context.

"Original Engine" can be interpreted to mean "Original" to that make and model. An example would be one with a correct date and suffix code, but no VIN.

Some cars from the 1960s did not have VINs stamped on any of the drive train components.

I often use "original Born with engine" to clear up any potential misunderstandings.

Re: 67 L78 Camaro convertible
 

As many times as I've been in court, that term has never been used. I for the record have stated in court that a car does have its original engine that was installed by the assembly plant when the car was built. Case closed.

"Born with" has a slang terminology to it.

Jerry

Re: 67 L78 Camaro convertible
 

People use "original" like they use "survivor" to describe THEIR cars anymore. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Re: 67 L78 Camaro convertible
 

I agree with Jerry, original engine to me means the motor that the car came down the line with. I guess someone can interpret that in another way but to me its a cut and dry case. What should be asked also is the stamping on the pad original too as many motors were decked when rebuilt and have since been and restamped.

Re: 67 L78 Camaro convertible
 

Hey, I didn't come up with the term. I see it used, I answered a question as to what it meant.Case closed.

Re: 67 L78 Camaro convertible
 

Seems like the use of the word "original" got watered down some. Born with came up basically around the hobby to take a stronger stand on what was the assembly line install on thess cars. Non car people use original with ease it seems. At least that is my take on it. "Born with" may be a stronger clarification in the eyes of the hobby? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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If I ever used "born with" in the court room, people would look at me like I just landed in from Mars. Is that like Born Free?

Kinda part of the word smithing that goes on in our hobby. BJ does a good job, went from car clones, the recreations to tribute cars.

Jerry

Re: 67 L78 Camaro convertible
 

How often are you in court room?
Maybe if "Born With" was more understood & only used where applies,you won't be called in as much.
As most have stated,to me those two lil words sum it all up & leave no wiggle room, unlike "Restoration Drivetrain".
Welcome to Mars..